Teg GSI V Teg VTIR

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Originally Posted by A-man

what im getting at is vtec is only there for torque low down as well as good fuel econ.

by making the head flow less then when its not on vtec... because obviously u want the head to breath as much as it can at high rpm.. (thereoy of get air in and out as fast as u can) but down low this will make a rough car due to poor scavenging. hence lower valve lift etc.

what im getting at is theres a point when modding these cars where u will change the cams.. depending on how far u will go. u might remove vtec and in this case whats the point of a vtir or even a type r... if u dnt have vtec...

what u want to look at is how much torque u can create this will change depending on the stroke, bore, etc.

usually in a racing aspec if u look at alot of these cars running they will idle like shit but once there going there effiecent and very rarely come out of the effeicent RPM


correct me if im wrong

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The Non-VTEC heads have such small ports you'd be cutting into the water channels before you even get to the flow rates of a stock VTEC head.

Road cars and weekend are not pure race cars: VTEC means you can have a wild cam and head configuration (e.g. stock) yet retain low down drivability. Upgrading doesn't mean you have to remove VTEC - bigger cams come with the low-lift lobe too.

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this is how im saying that a non vtec head will flow better then a vtec head just because of the valvetrain construction.

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If I took a photo of inside the intake ports of both a B16A and B18A head you wouldn't be able to tell me which one was which - you'll see a valve-stem and that's about it. VTEC lives in the head, not in your intake ports.

killer cams do eliminate vtec get rid of the whole function completely. They are for track application only. As when you are at a track you are only using the higher revs. Hence being no use for vtec as you don't not require much drivability down low. Vtec was designed so that you can have a power sports car when required keeping in mind fuel efficiency.

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

Horses for courses , a gsi with the same basic work done to it (I/H/E) will be very similar speed and agility to a vtir.
Gsi is cheaper. Older.
vtir is newer. looks alittle better IMO.
make the decision yourself.

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Older? Both Vti n Gsi were released same time, both released facelift models, so im not sure where u got that info from. Only thing separating the 2 models looks-wise r the rims n the colour-coded strip on the side of the car.

Even then you can find GSi's with colour coded side moldings, skirts and lips.

VTi-R dash is black and carpet dark grey, GSi is all lighter grey. This applies to 98+ models at least.

1. different rims size
vti-r 15" alloy rims
gsi 14" normal hub cover heavy rims

2. interior
vti-r black colour interior
gsi black dash but grey front/rear/trims

3. engine
vti-r vtec
gsi non-vtec

my cousin n i have an vti-r 98 n i have a gsi 96 and 95 they all have the same iterior colour..the seats have a different pattern but thats about it...

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Originally Posted by VT1-R

Erm.. 10 fuking kw atw is alot for N/a.. and GSI vs VTI-R.. isnt it obvious.. Even if a done up GSI with I/h/e some custom cams, tune and everything beat a stock VTI-R, fine.. the owner is happy and he get all the bragging rights after spending a fortune($5k-$8k)..

But if you wanna go big time against the big boys like the STIs and EVOs, starting with a GSI will get you nowhere unless u turbo.. den again.. turbo is about $$ for reliability and longevity.. So bottom line VTI-R>GSI, in all aspects, stock, potential, vtec, etc... A built B18C in a DC2 can be on par with a stock STI..

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mate lol after $5k-8K what are you on about? my cousin has a vti-r yeh? stock..and he will tell you himself a modded (i/h/e)= around $500-700) gsi would beat stock vti-r anyday....plus a built up b18c in a dc2 would not be on par with a stock sti...lol maybe in an eg or crx

Sorry but you won't be getting 20kw out of I/H/E on a non-vtec no matter what your cousin thinks. You might be equal with a cam and a tune; wow you can keep up with a stock car that you should have bought in the first place, a VTi-R with type-r cams and a decent exhaust will rape the modded GSi.

Regardless they are both slow as all hell so who gives a shit.

Type R > VTi-R > GSi

As usual these "vs" threads prove nothing that isn't already available in a search, and even they end up the same way as this one.

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