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17-09-2006, 08:31 AM
DynoDave

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Originally Posted by jimmeh

Dave or Adrian
can u guys elaborate a little further as to how to chose part combinations.
let say we were gonna build a high comp motor of 12.5CR and we wanted maximum power.

can you give us an example of what would be a good combitnation and a bad combination?

Yeah no worries Jimmeh and can you all make the payments out to Toda Racing Australia/Redline motorsport Developments for our advice.:p
Regards Dyno Dave
17-09-2006, 09:05 AM
jimmeh

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Originally Posted by DynoDave

Yeah no worries Jimmeh and can you all make the payments out to Toda Racing Australia/Redline motorsport Developments for our advice.:p
Regards Dyno Dave

I shouldve seen that on comn.
how about a bad combination then. im just trying to figure out what parts makes or breaks a combination.
17-09-2006, 10:34 AM
TODA AU

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmeh

can u guys elaborate a little further as to how to chose part combinations.
let say we were gonna build a high comp motor of 12.5CR and we wanted maximum power.
can you give us an example of what would be a good combitnation and a bad combination?

Short answer... No,
Longer answer…. No, No, No, No, NOOOOoooooooooo! Get lost newbie…

Do you really want to be told the honest truth what really breaks a combination?
You're not going to like it.
Here’s a brief… Covering all aspects.
From parts choice & supply, machining & engine assemble to tuning…

What makes a bad combination?
Hope, Optimism, Inexperience, Ignorance, Blind enthusiasm, undefined budgets, progressive build-up, parts supplied by customer, moving goal posts, internet mechanics, D.I.Y, build-up controlled by customer, Chinese whispers & above all else Bullshit.

What makes a good combination?
Facts, realism, experience, intelligence, Science, actual testing, actual data, back engineering, specific application, specific power target, real mechanics, parts supplied by builder / tuner, build-up controller by builder / tuner, a healthy dose of arrogance & above all else, truth.
17-09-2006, 11:23 AM
DynoDave

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmeh

I shouldve seen that on comn.
how about a bad combination then. im just trying to figure out what parts makes or breaks a combination.

I tuned a combination yesterday all OEM ITR/CTR parts and it was built by a very well know shop it made less power than a STD 1800cc Vtec engine,so it shows how easy it is for someone to just buy all these great parts and still build a DONKEY.There is nothing worse from a tuner's point of view as to book a ECU TUNING job in and then spending 90% of the dyno time trying to get these engines to make good figures to keep all you guys happy then the customer rings the engine builder and he says the engine is perfect cant that guy tune.And then this leads to the unhappy customer getting on the internet and then bad mouthing the tuner because he could not get the engine to make power.There are heaps of good combinations going around on the net for your honda builds and even Adrain has posted up some of his idea's with his bang for buck posts,thats all for now I really think you should start another thread about all your built combinations and there results.
Regards Dyno Dave
17-09-2006, 12:44 PM
ProECU

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Originally Posted by DynoDave

I really think you should start another thread about all your built combinations and there results.
Regards Dyno Dave

I dont think this will even help for the simple fact these guys wont be able to quantify dimensions & clearances properly... because at the end of the day how many people here build their own engines, and further, how many real engine builders disclose these secrets....not many, if any.
17-09-2006, 01:13 PM
jimmeh

Quote:

Originally Posted by TODA AU

Short answer... No,
Longer answer…. No, No, No, No, NOOOOoooooooooo! Get lost newbie…

Do you really want to be told the honest truth what really breaks a combination?
You're not going to like it.
Here’s a brief… Covering all aspects.
From parts choice & supply, machining & engine assemble to tuning…

What makes a bad combination?
Hope, Optimism, Inexperience, Ignorance, Blind enthusiasm, undefined budgets, progressive build-up, parts supplied by customer, moving goal posts, internet mechanics, D.I.Y, build-up controlled by customer, Chinese whispers & above all else Bullshit.

What makes a good combination?
Facts, realism, experience, intelligence, Science, actual testing, actual data, back engineering, specific application, specific power target, real mechanics, parts supplied by builder / tuner, build-up controller by builder / tuner, a healthy dose of arrogance & above all else, truth.

this was all i was after , a little insight thats all.
thanks
17-09-2006, 05:02 PM
todaek9

Adrian and Dave, haha..this is funny...hahaha...funny but the truth...

But i guess people learn from their mistake...
17-09-2006, 10:04 PM
fatboyz39

Quote:

Originally Posted by DynoDave

I tuned a combination yesterday all OEM ITR/CTR parts and it was built by a very well know shop it made less power than a STD 1800cc Vtec engine

what a freaky type R motor ;););)
20-09-2006, 12:36 PM
DynoDave

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Originally Posted by barefootbonzai

Using H22 injectors, Walbro Fuel pump and Adjustable Fuel Reg. Dave you're welcome to give her a tune if you still plan on comming to brisbane.

Yes tuning Monday/Tuesday next week in Brisbane.
Regards Dyno Dave
20-09-2006, 02:02 PM
kraiye

this thread is insightful and funny... in a f*d up kinda way.
i neva knew how much of an angry little man toda was!
j/k dude

this comment got my attention:

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Originally Posted by TODA AU

Though it may not be what we would do, the place has offered to rectify the issues he has with it.

IMO, (and this is not an attack on toda or anyone in particular), wether they're good or not, any professional that can't guarantee their work is not worth my money. and i dont just mean in the car industry... ANY professional!
i beleive that if u cant guarantee the work u do, u shouldnt be in that profession. people should be able to feel comfortable that they are getting the service they have paid for.

anyhoo, master_bo_bo, keep us posted with how things go :)
20-09-2006, 02:46 PM
CRXer

Quote:

Originally Posted by kraiye

IMO, (and this is not an attack on toda or anyone in particular), wether they're good or not, any professional that can't guarantee their work is not worth my money. and i dont just mean in the car industry... ANY professional!
i beleive that if u cant guarantee the work u do, u shouldnt be in that profession. people should be able to feel comfortable that they are getting the service they have paid for.

I think your missing the context of the post.

I am certain u will find he would guarantee all his own work,but it would be hard to try & guarantee the tuning of a bad build by others though,which is fair enough.
20-09-2006, 07:27 PM
jimmeh

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Originally Posted by CRXer

it would be hard to try & guarantee the tuning of a bad build by others though,which is fair enough.

correct.
everyone always wants to hang the tuner. if the car makes power then we praise the tuner and if it doesnt make power then u blame the tuner.

speak to the ppl in the know. you will learn way more compared to reading all the bu ll shi t on the internet.

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