NEW 2009 Euro Luxury Auto Pinging

[QUOTE=nickxau;2585772]Hi buddah51, please do not take any offence to my words as that is not my intentions.

From reading your posts I believe you're a veteran mechanic and I have no doubts you're an expert in that field. But as I have generally stated before, would you regard your hearing to be to be sensitive? Obviously if one can no longer hear the pinging, they can assume that the issue is resolved but that doesn't mean the issue is actually resolved. As we get older our ears get less sensitive to sound and we all know that for a fact. Could this be a factor maybe?

Once again, please do not take any offence to what I have just said as I'm pretty sure that I, for one, am just as curious as all the others reading this thread as to why 1 out of all the other reported cars here have a 100% success rate :confused:.

If it is indeed the order in which the fix is applied, maybe the mechanics from the dealership you went to should be the ones going around Australia showing the other clowns (who call themselves mechanics) how to follow instructions step-by-step to apply the fix!? :QUOTE]


Let me just say that there is nothing wrong with my hearing (to my knowlege, people often ask me to turn up the volume of music / TV or whatever i am listening to.

In saying that there must be some form of degeneration in that area, but if there is i would not think it is significant. I have never been 1 to listen to loud music, or loud anything for that matter. I also know for certain that I have found noises in cars that owners have never heard.

Hope that ansewrs your question, I can be no more honest than that.

! thing you said that I agree with 100% & that is some of the mechanics out there are not worth the air they breath, I wouldn't trust them to change a wheel.

nickxau, let me clarify as best I can, we all have different driving styles, how much this effects the so called pinging problem i do not know.

On my trip south i traveled the inland road which generaly speaqking is table top flat most of the way, with cruise control set to just over 105kph (except for passing through the few towns along the way). Therefore, for the majority of that trip the engine was pinning over at a little over 2000RPM, probably too low to be effected by the pinging issue.

However, since arriving in gosford i have done a trip down to the southern highlands meaning a trip down the F3, cruise set at 120, with some long clims thrown in. mostly back to 3rd gear at just under 4000RPM to maintain speed. still no sign of pinging or t5he roughness you speak of.

If you wish to come for a run up to Gosford while I am here your quite welcome anytime, except for 21st & 22nd when I will be in Newcastle having a clear bra fitted.

Hi Nicxau, I've driving around 2-3k since I've got the issue fixed, and havent heard any pinging yet.

Thanks for all the feedback that everyone provided.

So in this case, for people that can still hear slight pinging post-fix, can we narrow down the reason to either:

1. Different driving styles OR
2. Fix applied incorrectly

OR could there be another reason? If the reason is 1. then it'll be damn hard to prove.

....regardless of #1 or #2.......the engine should not PING....full stop

I regularly drive to the south coast of NSW from Sydney. For me -the true test for "to ping or not to ping" is the climb back up Mt Ousley towards Sydney.

I like to use the paddles driving up here and admit to giving it a boot ( just like the high revving F-1 engine we hear on the ad's !!!)

The result is post fix. ( 98 RON fuel)

IT STILL PINGS.:mad:

I have 8K on the clock. I will be taking it back for the 10K service and will not be taking it back until its fixed .......ie. not pinging in ANY circumstance/ different driver styles.

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Originally Posted by nickxau

Thanks for all the feedback that everyone provided.

So in this case, for people that can still hear slight pinging post-fix, can we narrow down the reason to either:

1. Different driving styles OR
2. Fix applied incorrectly

OR could there be another reason? If the reason is 1. then it'll be damn hard to prove.

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Personally, I believe the answer is number 2. I see no difference in the climb up Mt. Ousley, or some of the climbs on the F3.

As I have said before, my general driving stle is with economy in mind, but in saying that there are times when i do see the rev limiter (although that is infrequent). So overall i believe i have personally covered all driving styles.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Could it also be that some cars have older ECUs which are slow learners? (Hence the need for 3 tanks of 98 RON according to HA).

My car is progressively getting better.....it was built in May 2008 and it's still under 7000kms.

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I personally don't believe that to be the case as i noticed an immediate improvement, but in saying that i did not regar the problem as serious with my car to begin with. It was infrequent, intermittant & not repeatable.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Could it also be that some cars have older ECUs which are slow learners? (Hence the need for 3 tanks of 98 RON according to HA).

My car is progressively getting better.....it was built in May 2008 and it's still under 7000kms.

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I personally don't think it's the age of the ECU as well because a few people including myself have definitely gone way past the 3 tanks of petrol that they recommended.

I agree, for the price point and the amount of car that you get, the Euro is a great car but one has to admit that the pinging issue, regardless of how loud/soft, damage or not, does detract from the enjoyment of driving the car.

Hell! My 1986 Celica didn't have any pinging issues!??? :eek:

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Originally Posted by nickxau

I personally don't think it's the age of the ECU as well because a few people including myself have definitely gone way past the 3 tanks of petrol that they recommended.

I agree, for the price point and the amount of car that you get, the Euro is a great car but one has to admit that the pinging issue, regardless of how loud/soft, damage or not, does detract from the enjoyment of driving the car.

Hell! My 1986 Celica didn't have any pinging issues!??? :eek:

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Niether did my old VW Beetle.....lol

The CU2 cis without doubt the best car I have ever owned, and I have had many

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

That is not necessarily the case Denot. I am not sure of HA's position on this or if it is the dealers choice. My dealer will be doing the whole update (software & knock sensor) for those who complain of the problem, otherwise all vehicles will get the software update alone as they come in for servicing.

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I just got my 40k service today, and asked them about the 'ping', and if they have touched my ECU.

They said that they check all CU2's regardless of complaints, and if the car has the ping, they fix. They also said mine definately doesn't have the 'ping', and they don't touch the cars that are fine.

All, as you are aware from my earlier advices, i raised the pinging issue with the Dep't of Fair Trading. They inspected the vehicle, test drove it and raised the issue with Honda Australia. As a result, Honda advised them and provided myself with a letter which basically provides a lifetime guarantee that the engine will not be damaged as a result of the pinging. Well, that's what they are saying.

Too be honest this is an absolute joke. Honda should be ashamed of themselves. If they can't fix the problem then they should be refunding people their money. Not good enough!

I didn't think I would get anywhere given their (honda's) response on this to date but it was worth the shot.

Whilst I agree that the car is nice to drive but the pinging just spoils this car. Big time. What's the point of providing a warranty if you can't fix a car.

See attached response below.

As a result, I have gone back and asked them whether or not they feel this is how they should treat their clients. Whether or not their CEO feels this is good enough, and when they will be applying a real fix and not a ptach job.

I doubt I'll get a response as they just don't care however, I have reminded them once again, this will be the last Honda I buy.

Perhaps we should just go to the Media ?????

Perhaps we should just all turn up to a specific dealer and stand out the front with big signs advising all would be customers not to buy Honda's. May be then they will take this serious.

You'll note from the attached letter, basically they confirm what we all knew upfront. The car needs to ping for the knock sensor and ECU to do their thing. How is this a fix ???

Pathch Job if I have ever seen one.

Well done Honda. Pathetic!

Forget the Power of Dreams. More like the Power of Nightmares!.

Hi Blit,

Thats a good assurance from Honda, but did you read they mentioned the condition for lifetime is the vehicle is maintained according to the manual.

Hope 2010 built Euro won't have this pinging issue..

THanks