NEW 2009 Euro Luxury Auto Pinging

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

I personally don't know this Ken Sheppherd, but my guess is he works for Honda Australia. As I have previously stated, HA have virtually no control over this or any other recurring problems with Honda's, they are strictly importers & distributors. Any problems need to be referred back to the Manufacturer, which by the way is the case with ALL imported vehicles.

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From Section 74A of the Trade Practices Act:

(3) If:

(a) a corporation holds itself out to the public as the manufacturer of goods;

(b) a corporation causes or permits the name of the corporation, a name by which the corporation carries on business or a brand or mark of the corporation to be applied to goods supplied by the corporation; or

(c) a corporation causes or permits another person, in connexion with the supply or possible supply of goods by that other person, or in connexion with the promotion by that other person by any means of the supply or use of goods, to hold out the corporation to the public as the manufacturer of the goods;

the corporation shall be deemed, for the purposes of this Division, to have manufactured the goods.

(4) If:

(a) goods are imported into Australia by a corporation that was not the manufacturer of the goods; and

(b) at the time of the importation the manufacturer of the goods does not have a place of business in Australia;

the corporation shall be deemed, for the purposes of this Division, to have manufactured the goods.

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Originally Posted by SPQR

From Section 74A of the Trade Practices Act:

(3) If:

(a) a corporation holds itself out to the public as the manufacturer of goods;

(b) a corporation causes or permits the name of the corporation, a name by which the corporation carries on business or a brand or mark of the corporation to be applied to goods supplied by the corporation; or

(c) a corporation causes or permits another person, in connexion with the supply or possible supply of goods by that other person, or in connexion with the promotion by that other person by any means of the supply or use of goods, to hold out the corporation to the public as the manufacturer of the goods;

the corporation shall be deemed, for the purposes of this Division, to have manufactured the goods.

(4) If:

(a) goods are imported into Australia by a corporation that was not the manufacturer of the goods; and

(b) at the time of the importation the manufacturer of the goods does not have a place of business in Australia;

the corporation shall be deemed, for the purposes of this Division, to have manufactured the goods.

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Regardless of that mumbo jumbo, all technical problems need to be referred back to the manufacturer. Be it a Mercedes, Audi, Mazda, Honda, Ferrari or any other imported car.

If you look back in this thread you will see that someone posted that Honda Japan brought back 2 CU2's with the problem & shipped them back to Japan for diagnosis & to develop a rectification.

I recall we have been down this path before, theory has never solved anything, nor is something that is written in a book or an article. Quoting articles solves even less.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

Regardless of that mumbo jumbo, all technical problems need to be referred back to the manufacturer. Be it a Mercedes, Audi, Mazda, Honda, Ferrari or any other imported car.

If you look back in this thread you will see that someone posted that Honda Japan brought back 2 CU2's with the problem & shipped them back to Japan for diagnosis & to develop a rectification.

I recall we have been down this path before, theory has never solved anything, nor is something that is written in a book or an article. Quoting articles solves even less.

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I will not try to go down the previous path of our common experience and I am not directing the information specifically at you despite quoting you: I wish to inform members of their rights and of the obligations of anyone who sells anything to consumers.

However, back to my point, I was quoting the law of the land not an article. The point of the law is that all that mumbo jumbo that HA puts on people is irrelevant as far as the law is concerned. It is HA's responsibility to fix the problem and not customers to fret over. Frankly, I couldn't care less for the trials and tribulations of HA or HJ. It's the trials and tribulations of their customers that count as far as the law of the land is concerned.

You have had a good experience which I wish upon all others too; but some others have not and have been rather exasperated and frustrated by the HA response. They have a right to be heard and accommodated.

sold one to my best mate, it pinged, got it fixed as soon as it was available.

From what i understand the cars that have had the fix applied and it has only partially fixed the pinging it seems to me that the problem is that the software upgrade hasn't been applied correctly and or in the right sequence.I suggest to these people that they go back to the dealer and get the software upgrade redone

I understand this is off subject, but lots of us here have complained about CU2's with a pinging problem, obviously some have been effected more than others& some have had more successful results with the update.

But lets compare this known problem on a sub 40K car (Base price) with a dream car costing over 500,000K that also has a known problem. Also consider this car sells in very small numbers worldwide. It Just shows any car can have a fault, regardless of price.

Sorry about the language, but realistically I would prefer the pinging issue any day, but on the other hand I would love 1 of these exotics. It is a must see, just turn the volume off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCGig_0nL2U

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Originally Posted by tony1234

From what i understand the cars that have had the fix applied and it has only partially fixed the pinging it seems to me that the problem is that the software upgrade hasn't been applied correctly and or in the right sequence.I suggest to these people that they go back to the dealer and get the software upgrade redone

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My thoughts exactly Tony.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

My thoughts exactly Tony.

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I know this is not always the case but the fix should work on ALL cars.Why would it not work on some?The ECUs are all the same?It has to be in the application of the fix and from what i hear about some dealer service depts.i'm not surprised that some people still have the pinging after the fix.there are some service depts.out there that are downright incompetent:zip:

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Originally Posted by tony1234

I know this is not always the case but the fix should work on ALL cars.Why would it not work on some?The ECUs are all the same?It has to be in the application of the fix and from what i hear about some dealer service depts.i'm not surprised that some people still have the pinging after the fix.there are some service depts.out there that are downright incompetent:zip:

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That's 1 reason I do my own servicing Tony, I wouldn't trust some of the so called mechanics at any dealership to work on my car. of course the other reason is the outrageous labour rates charged.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

I understand this is off subject, but lots of us here have complained about CU2's with a pinging problem, obviously some have been effected more than others& some have had more successful results with the update.

But lets compare this known problem on a sub 40K car (Base price) with a dream car costing over 500,000K that also has a known problem. Also consider this car sells in very small numbers worldwide. It Just shows any car can have a fault, regardless of price.

Sorry about the language, but realistically I would prefer the pinging issue any day, but on the other hand I would love 1 of these exotics. It is a must see, just turn the volume off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCGig_0nL2U

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Lol. Damn! Ferrari still haven't fixed the problem where, at speed, pressure builds in the crankcase to the point of popping the dipstick and then spewing hot oil all over the exhaust manifold. I have personal experience of this (twice!).

boys I just got this email - what luck!!

William,



Great news! After speaking just now with Honda Australia, I can happily confirm that all Honda Accord Euros (Auto and manual) with the last 6 digits of their VIN/Chassis numbers falling after 202164, have had the relevant reprogramming already done at the factory in Japan at the time of construction.



FYI – I also now have the vehicle identifiers for your car, they are as follows –



Build and compliance will of course be 09 and 09, but car is 2010 series. In case you were unaware, this means that it has a black parcel shelf behind the rear seats, not grey like the 2009 series, and also you will be able to lower ALL the windows AND open the sunroof using the remote, and also close them up again in the same way. This was not an available feature on the 2009 series.



VIN/Chassis Number is – JHMCUxxxxxC203442

Engine Number – K24Z3-xxx3014



We will not know the exact months for the build and compliance plates until the car is on site. I will advise you again when I have them.



I hope this has been helpful for you.



Kind regards





Sales Consultant

Great info for Future CU2 buyers MK14.

I still suspect that those with earlier CU2's with the problem persisting is due to incorrect application of the software update. I have tried everything in mine from light to wide open throttle (ssshhhhh) under varying load conditions & can't reproduce it.