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25-07-2013, 02:40 AM
vaikis

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Originally Posted by Chernoby1

And i passionately HATEEEEEE remote tuning. If youre talking about loading a premade map, thats not so bad (dont see why you'd not tune the thing properly though), but ive seen someone actually attempt to tune remotely and jeebus it failed.

Seems you don't know how remote tuning is done with FlashPro or other system which has logging. User makes logs (finds nice road without traffic and makes run in 3rd gear), tuner changes values and sends new calibration - after ~ 20-25 changes user gets full tune. I would always say proper remote tune on the street is better then Dyno because it's real life conditions. Also not everywhere real Dyno is available, not everywhere you will find proper people who can do good tune! You can always go here and discuss with people which are doing street and Dyno tuning: http://flashprotuning.com/
25-07-2013, 08:42 AM
Andy

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Originally Posted by philipminge

Andy install the what... CAN... English please bro.

Also 06 tsx ecu... Thought it was 07-08.

OK buy all the shit. Book Honda appointment for ecu swap. They will put the new ecu in and program my key. Whatever.
Then u saif upload hondata calibration. Well that ****s me coz I have a Mac book. Won't be uploading anything. Once I get tsx ecu in I'll just find someone to tune it for me.

Also this vTC gear.... I heard its a pretty big job to change the gear.... Is this true?

philipminge, sorry yeh I meant 07-08, see you've learnt heaps in just a few days :D But i reckon don't buy all the shit until your completely satisfied and sure of what you need. VTC gear swap will take a couple hours(maybe more) to do if you've never done it before, but there's a few things in the installation you cant get wrong or your farrked!
25-07-2013, 09:01 AM
Chernoby1

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Originally Posted by vaikis

Seems you don't know how remote tuning is done with FlashPro or other system which has logging. User makes logs (finds nice road without traffic and makes run in 3rd gear), tuner changes values and sends new calibration - after ~ 20-25 changes user gets full tune. I would always say proper remote tune on the street is better then Dyno because it's real life conditions. Also not everywhere real Dyno is available, not everywhere you will find proper people who can do good tune! You can always go here and discuss with people which are doing street and Dyno tuning: http://flashprotuning.com/

I understand the process well (very popular with the Renault Sport guys).

Problems:
1) you are relying on thr factory knock sensor to pick up detention
2) you are relying on the stock oxygen sensor to work out the lambda
3) you are relying on the stock temperature sensors
4) on the street it is impossible to hold a specific amount of throttle at a certain rpm (HUGE DEAL)
5) you have no idea on the actual torque/power made (no real feedback)
6) Other minor things that would piss me off that I won't mention.

I dont care how skilled a person is, if theyre tuning it remotely or not, but a street tune cant compare to a dyno tune (assuming same tuner / time / ect)

Note: 3 of my cars ive tuned on the street myself with stock sensors. Yes you can get something that is pleasant to drive but in terms of tune quality... huge unknown. Only reason I havent gone on a dyno is that ill be undergoing some aubstantual changes to all 3 and spending money on a temporary arrangement doesnt make sense to me.
25-07-2013, 10:42 AM
Fredoops

^^^ cant you go to a dyno to get the logs and get someone to do the remap?
25-07-2013, 12:12 PM
Chernoby1

Yes, possible. However a log doesnt tell you the whole story. If you were to log EVERYTHING then maybe. But a lot of the time you can hear / feel / use your senses to work out things are not so great nice and quick (IE, less risk).
I would personally not feel comfortable DOING a tune remotely because of that. I can understand a tuner looking over a bunch of logs and making suggestions on how to make it better, but not actually doing the tuning himself...

If a tuner was completely comfortable with tuning remotely, i would nearly certainly walk away. There is a reason good tuners spend a lot of time travelling rather than doing everything remotely.
(Please note, i dont view the tune with the most power/torque to be the best tune... safety, reliability and drivability are what id look for.)
25-07-2013, 01:05 PM
philipminge

OK this is wayyyyyy too technical for my brain at this stage. Lol I'm out.
25-07-2013, 04:25 PM
vaikis

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Originally Posted by Chernoby1

Yes, possible. However a log doesnt tell you the whole story. If you were to log EVERYTHING then maybe. But a lot of the time you can hear / feel / use your senses to work out things are not so great nice and quick (IE, less risk).
I would personally not feel comfortable DOING a tune remotely because of that. I can understand a tuner looking over a bunch of logs and making suggestions on how to make it better, but not actually doing the tuning himself...

If a tuner was completely comfortable with tuning remotely, i would nearly certainly walk away. There is a reason good tuners spend a lot of time travelling rather than doing everything remotely.
(Please note, i dont view the tune with the most power/torque to be the best tune... safety, reliability and drivability are what id look for.)

I suggest you to talk with real tuners which do real Dyno tuning and remote one. All can be done corretly if you know what are you doing. I have made several remote tunes which work better then there old tunes which were done on real dyno ! Each person have it's own view what is better.
25-07-2013, 04:29 PM
DreadAngel

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Originally Posted by vaikis

I suggest you to talk with real tuners which do real Dyno tuning and remote one. All can be done corretly if you know what are you doing. I have made several remote tunes which work better then there old tunes which were done on real dyno ! Each person have it's own view what is better.

Best tunes are a combination of Dyno followed up with Road tune.

Road tune by itself isn't that brilliant either...
25-07-2013, 04:39 PM
vaikis

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Originally Posted by DreadAngel

Best tunes are a combination of Dyno followed up with Road tune.

Road tune by itself isn't that brilliant either...

I would say all depends on tuner who is doing it. I have seen a lot of guys which can't do proper things even on Dyno.
25-07-2013, 04:45 PM
DreadAngel

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Originally Posted by vaikis

I would say all depends on tuner who is doing it. I have seen a lot of guys which can't do proper things even on Dyno.

I'm assuming the tuner is competent ;)

Assume you only do a Roadie then, exactly how much of racing conditions can you simulate without getting yourself into deep **** or killed? You maybe able to do the first 2 gears on part/full throttle but that doesn't give the tuner exactly a clear idea even if you repeat it 10x+. You need to take it up there with the higher gears for that total picture. Hence why Dyno + Road = Smarter choice ;)
25-07-2013, 04:48 PM
vaikis

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Originally Posted by DreadAngel

I'm assuming the tuner is competent ;)

Assume you only do a Roadie then, exactly how much of racing conditions can you simulate without getting yourself into deep **** or killed? You maybe able to do the first 2 gears on part/full throttle but that doesn't give the tuner exactly a clear idea even if you repeat it 10x+. You need to take it up there with the higher gears for that total picture. Hence why Dyno + Road = Smarter choice ;)

And what to do for guys when there is no any real Dyno around 1000km ? What options you suggest ?
25-07-2013, 04:51 PM
Chernoby1

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Originally Posted by vaikis

I suggest you to talk with real tuners which do real Dyno tuning and remote one. All can be done corretly if you know what are you doing. I have made several remote tunes which work better then there old tunes which were done on real dyno ! Each person have it's own view what is better.

I spend a reasonable amount of time with people doing engine development and research for manufacturers.... there is no way in hell they would be comfortable doing a tune remotely (but then again these same people spend like 100 dyno hours on a 'tune')

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Originally Posted by DreadAngel

Best tunes are a combination of Dyno followed up with Road tune.

Road tune by itself isn't that brilliant either...

Dyno tuned but verified on the road, yes. Someone actually making changes based on expiriences on the road.... not so much. Notice something wrong, back to the dyno you (should) go.

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Originally Posted by vaikis

And what to do for guys when there is no any real Dyno around 1000km ? What options you suggest ?

Tow the car 1000km's. I know a guy whos shipped his engine like 7500km's to get tuned.

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