Euro Vs Sportivo

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Originally Posted by Euro05

Coladuna, I'm not saying that the Sportivo is slow/crap etc. I quoted Motor magazine to show what time an experienced driver could get out of the car. It's not my fault if Toyota misled there customers and sold them cars that didn't produce the power they were supposed to, as you claim, although I find it hard to believe that a company with the reliabilty/quality control of Toyota would allow that to happen.

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Whether you want to believe it or not, it did happen and it's well known by many people. That's why if you look at the current Sportivo spec sheet, they emphasise that the power output has been achieved using some standard test or something. That's also why Sportivo has been missing from the Toyota website for quite some time. So you don't need to doubt whether it really happened or not because it did.

coladuna if you cant understand that a car with very good nvh and very linear in the way it makes power could be decievingly quick i couldnt give a damn...i have also been in a m3 which is a very smooth car by any means and my forester felt like it could flog the **** off it but we all know there was no way that would happen..why cos the m3 is not brakeneck acceleration its very linear in the way it produces power and has better nvh...
dont know about you but i have driven enough cars to understand this.
exhaust noise, suspension height type of mods and yes even nvh make a car feel faster than it really is......tell me why is it that when someone puts a exhaust on a car that they feel it has unleashed some sort of magical hidden power only to get beaten by a stocko??

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Originally Posted by albii

coladuna if you cant understand that a car with very good nvh and very linear in the way it makes power could be decievingly quick i couldnt give a damn...i have also been in a m3 which is a very smooth car by any means and my forester felt like it could flog the **** off it but we all know there was no way that would happen..why cos the m3 is not brakeneck acceleration its very linear in the way it produces power and has better nvh...
dont know about you but i have driven enough cars to understand this.
exhaust noise, suspension height type of mods and yes even nvh make a car feel faster than it really is......tell me why is it that when someone puts a exhaust on a car that they feel it has unleashed some sort of magical hidden power only to get beaten by a stocko??

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Geez. What a bunch of non-sense blabbing. Can't you see that you are the weird one who seems to think harshness creates sensation of speed? I couldn't give a damn whether you think it does or not either because just by reading what you've wrote, it's crystal clear that it's all bunch of non-sense.
Your example of someone with new exhuast just shows how limited your thinking is. So what some idiot with a new exhuast thinks that it made his car blindingly fast??? I don't even see what you are trying to prove with that example. In answer to your question, I'll say that it's because that person is in a fantasy world. Frankly, I don't even see the point of arguing with someone who comes up with that sort example to backup his argument.

Coladuna - Albii is entitled to his opinion.

If you disagree - that is fine - just leave the personal comments out when you post.

Does anyone else have something new to say about this thread? I think it has been done to death.

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Originally Posted by coladuna

Geez. What a bunch of non-sense blabbing. Can't you see that you are the weird one who seems to think harshness creates sensation of speed? I couldn't give a damn whether you think it does or not either because just by reading what you've wrote, it's crystal clear that it's all bunch of non-sense.
Your example of someone with new exhuast just shows how limited your thinking is. So what some idiot with a new exhuast thinks that it made his car blindingly fast??? I don't even see what you are trying to prove with that example. In answer to your question, I'll say that it's because that person is in a fantasy world. Frankly, I don't even see the point of arguing with someone who comes up with that sort example to backup his argument.

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um ok ..go back and read the posts ..you are the only one here that believes what you say..no one else is agreeing with you so once again SORRY. :wave:

Just thought i'd do a bit of research on the Sportivo's issues, and apparantly they did have a lot of issues that have hopefully been rectified for the 05 model. One interesting post I did find on the Toyota Owners Club forum was this:

coladuna Jun 28 2005, 11:59 AM
I bought my Sportivo (Black) last Saturday which I'll be picking up tomorrow.
My initial impression from the test drive was pretty good. I expected it to struggle down low but that wasn't the case at all. I might also add that there were total of 4 people in the car during the test drive. For the price, I think it's an excellent value and I really couldn't think of any other car that came close within that price range when I was researching for my new car. Compared to my brother's Accord Euro Luxury, the gearbox isn't as smooth but it might be partly due to the fact that the demo car only had about 8kms on the clock (not 8000kms). After I get more time behind the wheels, I'll let you know in more detail.
I can't wait to drive it tomorrow~ Only if I didn't have to go to work Grrr....

So Coladuna, which car do you actually own? You claim on this forum you're brother bought the Sportivo and you own the Euro. Do you actually own a car? Maybe you need a good lie down.

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Originally Posted by Euro05

Just thought i'd do a bit of research on the Sportivo's issues, and apparantly they did have a lot of issues that have hopefully been rectified for the 05 model. One interesting post I did find on the Toyota Owners Club forum was this:

coladuna Jun 28 2005, 11:59 AM
I bought my Sportivo (Black) last Saturday which I'll be picking up tomorrow.
My initial impression from the test drive was pretty good. I expected it to struggle down low but that wasn't the case at all. I might also add that there were total of 4 people in the car during the test drive. For the price, I think it's an excellent value and I really couldn't think of any other car that came close within that price range when I was researching for my new car. Compared to my brother's Accord Euro Luxury, the gearbox isn't as smooth but it might be partly due to the fact that the demo car only had about 8kms on the clock (not 8000kms). After I get more time behind the wheels, I'll let you know in more detail.
I can't wait to drive it tomorrow~ Only if I didn't have to go to work Grrr....

So Coladuna, which car do you actually own? You claim on this forum you're brother bought the Sportivo and you own the Euro. Do you actually own a car? Maybe you need a good lie down.

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Originally Posted by albii

another point is.......i drove a mazda 6 luxury sport...feels quicker than the euro much quicker actually why cos it drives like a truck and its no where near as refined....another thing my 4000km old triton v6 feels quicker than my euro but its no where near it in accelerating why does it feel so quick cos its no where near as refined and as smooth to drive....one more thing..there is no way a $19990 derived car is gonna be as smooth and refined as a $35000 derived car ..

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you tell em albii, the truck hauled arse though quite bouncey :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by albii

um ok ..go back and read the posts ..you are the only one here that believes what you say..no one else is agreeing with you so once again SORRY. :wave:

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Haha. You are such a hypocrite. You say no one agrees with me and you think someone agrees with your hallucination theory??? Hello~~ :wave: Wake up~ :wave:
So I'M sorry.

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Originally Posted by Euro05

So Coladuna, which car do you actually own? You claim on this forum you're brother bought the Sportivo and you own the Euro. Do you actually own a car? Maybe you need a good lie down.

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*sigh* why do I bother.... sometimes we use same id on forums because we can't be bothered to make two user ids. So please don't make me laugh with that sort of accusations. It's just that I'm not blinded like SOME fanboys who think that any other car other than theirs' can't be better in ANY aspect.

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Originally Posted by coladuna

Geez. What a bunch of non-sense blabbing. Can't you see that you are the weird one who seems to think harshness creates sensation of speed? I couldn't give a damn whether you think it does or not either because just by reading what you've wrote, it's crystal clear that it's all bunch of non-sense.
Your example of someone with new exhuast just shows how limited your thinking is. So what some idiot with a new exhuast thinks that it made his car blindingly fast??? I don't even see what you are trying to prove with that example. In answer to your question, I'll say that it's because that person is in a fantasy world. Frankly, I don't even see the point of arguing with someone who comes up with that sort example to backup his argument.

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Coladuna, Coladuna, Coladuna, your fighting an up hill battle mate and dying fast, your expieriencing a bit hysteria and numbness of the cranium section, maybe you should consider calling your doctor so he/she can pescribe you some prozac or whatever? Just lie down for a day or two, it ain't worth it mate, you get your back up very easily, come on gentlemen can't you see that he's just a bit tooooo passionate about cars.
Maybe you should start to believe and accept what people say from now on because they might have a valid point, it's your pig-headed and stubborn behaviour that lands you in this position :wave:

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Originally Posted by coladuna

Haha. You are such a hypocrite. You say no one agrees with me and you think someone agrees with your hallucination theory??? Hello~~ :wave: Wake up~ :wave:
So I'M sorry.

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um ok i'm right and so is everyone else........except you...hahaha :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: