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I think FD2R will not be sold in AU.Coz we already got FN2R UK version available.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
AU is not like NZ. Government will protect local market and strict regulations will limit some of the best cars like EK9, FD2R etc.
I too think that the FD2R will not be brought over.Australia's best bet to bringing in a JDM CTR may lie with Honda's decision to build a 2nd manufacturing plant in Thailand.This new plant may have enough resources that could cater for specialised cars like JDM Type Rs although,we may have to wait until the 9th gen Civic.
Why? The RRP price of an FD2R in Japan is under AU$30,000. It's cheaper to produce than an FN2R, which has an RRP of almost AU$40,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by fasthonda
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Originally Posted by aaronng
RRP PRICE IN JAPAN IS NOTHING MAN!:thumbsup:
Use your brain do the calculation!Nothing is cheaper as long as its made in Japan.
Transportation charge,Import tax,duty,shipping,dealer's profit altogether already more than $40,000.:honda:
lol.. my friend calculated that since the RRP in Japan for the new GTR is around $80,000 AUD..then that must be the price we'll be getting it on our shores.. SADLY THAT'S FAR FROM REALITY..after all the taxes and transportation etc... Nissan Australia is considering pricing it at around $150,000 AUD. If the JDM FD2R ever does make it to Australia I'd say a price of around $60,000 AUD is more feasible. $30,000 is just ludicrous..why would it be priced cheaper than a civic sport? wtf?
We have a trade agreement with Thailand in regard to vehicle imports from that country.That can mean next to nothing import duties and of course cheaper cars for us..
Australia does not have a vehicle trade agreement with Japan:(
LOL, nothing is cheaper as its made in Japan? :confused::confused::confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by kongfu
If Honda can bring in an FN2R with a RRP of 40k into Australia at 40k, nothing is stopping them from bringing in an FD2R with an RRP of 30k into Australia and price it at 40k for a 10k profit over what they get for the FN2R.
Last I checked, transportation was cheaper from Japan than from the UK. :)
I'm not comparing it to the GTR. But to the FN2R. If Honda can make the wheels turn and get a 40k car landed here for 40k, they can get a 30k car landed here for 40k as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reothe
I think Japanese cars are generally cheaper in Japan than the equivalent model selling overseas.
2ndly, an RRP of 40K in UK does not mean the profit margin for that car isn't 100%, meaning it costs 20K to produce.
An RRP of 30K in Japan doesn't mean the profit margin isn't 50%, meaning it costs 20K to produce either!
Most JDM cars are sold cheaper in Japan. You could get an Evolution X for around 40K brand new in Japan!
Not just transportation issue also tax as some other members mentioned .Australia dose not have trade agreement with Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
So stop dreaming about 40k for JDM FD2R. :cool:
I think I read somewhere to expect the JDM FD2R to be priced around $60k if it does land on Aussie shores.
at 60k they would sell 2 ... way overpriced for a fwd honda... no matter how great it is..
that is almost an extra 30k over the civic sports.. WTF....
might as well not bring it in... becuase if its gonna cost 60k i am sure honda australia would not be that stupid to bring it in
if it were priced under 50k, i think it would sell.
Did you mean Free Trade Agreement? Sorry, Australia doesn't have one with the UK. We only have FTAs with USA, Thailand, Singapore and NZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by kongfu
You can talk to HONDA AUSTRALIA regarding about this issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
What I was trying to express is that JDM FD2R is impossible for $40,000 AUD:honda:
Point taken. I'd still think that it would sell as good as the FN2R even if they sold it at 50k
Personally I'd prefer the US civic in Type-R spec
US civic ftw
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...c_LX_Sedan.jpg
can you get this civic as a Type-R or Type-S? (chassis FA1/FA5)
Just spoke with a guy working at honda sales who bought an FN2R a few months ago and he's adamant that FD2R is merely rumour and is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be brought into AUS. Championship White for FN2 is also uncomfirmed and is merely speculation at this point in time but has a greater probability of becoming reality than FD2R coming to AUS.
I'd wanna believe that if I had bought an FN2 also. I've heard it from 3 sales managers from 3 different dealerships. I still say yes to FD2R and at a price point of around $44,990 + ORC. Slightly gimped though. No Brembos and detuned engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reothe
There wouldn't be anything wrong with FN2R owners trading in their cars to buy a FD2R.I would accept a very slightly detuned FD2R -But absolutely nothing else-not even minus the Brembos.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
It would have to be the real deal or nothing,then there would be no arguments and NO ONE would sook because we didn't get the real Type R Civic:)
detuned to 98 RON fuel is fine by me. but nothing like how the dc5r was detuned...
They sell the FD2R in 225hp trim in Malaysia, which run only 97 RON and there is no problem (said the engineer from Honda Japan)Quote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
Yep,that would be fine regarding the fuel.Quote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
test drive a civic type r today.
REALLY disappointed on the car. it is no where near a type r standard. the car feel slow, the noise level are low which meant to be good but HEY it's a type r so boo!! the sussy seem to be bit soft. the rev climb was quite slow. the honda bucket doesn't really hold u as nice as the dc5r recaros but they got airbag, so i guess it isn't that bad.
I reckon they should name it Civic Type S, not R.
Quiet = More Sound Insulation = More Weight
Simple as that hahaha
Well at least you're driving a Type S or didn't you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by BusterSonic12
In this day and age a real or raw type R means a really old type R.
It's funny to see the frequency of sledging Integra R drivers do towards the Civic R. I find it more amusing than insulting.
they should make a track spec one. like just get rid of all the luxury items and sound deadening etc. and maybe use some light weight materials. sure they can lose like 100kg or something.
They have. It's called a Megane r26.Quote:
Originally Posted by d15z1SUX
:p
Not at all. The FD2 is pretty extreme. Much stiffer and rougher to drive on the road than a DC5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Double R
thats is hitting the nail on the head my friend! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Double R
If Honda trots out a Jazz Hybrid with an R badge on it, it is still a Type R - No less real or raw than any other - No matter how much we disagree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Double R
Marketing is funny that way.
I love the FN2 - and am due to pick one up any day now - but it is so easy to bag it, or moreover Honda's general attitude towards it:
I'm sure the Honda F1 team isn't worried about missing out on the podium this year because the car's "all round package" is still pretty good. :p
Bottom line: It's the new Type R. If you don't like it, buy a Golf! :D
Doubt it. You're starting to get close to EVO money.Quote:
Originally Posted by preludacris
You have no idea how many have already... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by moons
I guess the FD2R more like DC2R/EK9, while DC5R soften up maybe not to offend potential customers with rawness??? Or production cost? EP3R was DC2R/EK9 orientated? And FN2R was like DC5R but soften up even more.
Its a fine car the FN2R but you gotta question that Type-R badge. You look at all the Type-R, forget appearance, talk about performance. We've all seen vids etc of the FN2R being stacked up against the EP3R and FD2R, gets itself demolished. Type-Rs ride from factory on rails compared to many other cars. The engine made to compliment the great handling, etc etc etc FN2R nothing special in that regard. Opposition? Maybe as everyone else has stepped up (Though I reckon is more Honda UK taking 2 steps backwards since the EP3R and other Hot Hatch Makers going 1 step forward)
For the owners of the FN2R that have owned a "Type-R" before their new baby, what do you think?
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Originally Posted by DreadAngel
u're right on this one. many of my mates picked GTI over FN and i came really close too until i made my decision on a EP3.
At least honda brought out the FN2R...apart from the S2000 (which is getting on) what else is there in the lineup that you could actually call 'sporty'????Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadAngel
No crx... no integra.... no prelude.... no nsx...
When they could've gotten the FD2R? Something ACTUALLY sporty? ;)
Think a little more carefully... CRX, Integra, Prelude and NSX all production ended so its not like we're missing one something the rest of the world has. HOWEVER Asia gets what Australia doesn't AKA FD2R. Instead Australia has to make do with the FN2R.
FD2R.... if Honda Malaysia can sell it at RM200k which includes 100% import duty, CBU and luxury car tax, run it on 97RON which is the best that Malaysia has to offer, they sure as well can sell it here in Australia. It's up to Honda Australia.Quote:
Originally Posted by anu
BTW, Honda Malaysia expected to sell 30 units in 4 months, but all 30 were sold on the 1st day. This is in a country where a starting engineer gets paid AU$7500 a year before tax.
I think Honda australia want to get rid off the sporty models from australia. They want to brand Honda as "family cars" here... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadAngel
I feel the same way about Honda Australia too.... Why can't they do both like what Mazda has successfully done?Quote:
Originally Posted by denot
We don't "make do" with an Australian version - we get the European FN2R - which perhaps nobody has noticed, is a much larger market than Japanese/Malaysia.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadAngel
its not jast Jap/Malay market... HK, Taiwan, China, Indo, etc etc... basically... Asia? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by moons
no no. only Japan and Malaysia officially get the FD2R.Quote:
Originally Posted by denot
BTW Taiwan and China are LHD drive.
True, the rest of those countries get it via PIQuote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
FD2R is overrated. None of you guys have driven one yet claim it's almighty.
Or maybe it's just part of the JDM fever?
FAIL yet again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Double R
It's proven by many many road tests that the JDM Type R owns the FN2. Pleaes give up your FN2R anthem. The car sucks compared to the FD2R on the track. It is however a much better day to day prospect.
Proof #1 (vs EP3)
Proof #2 (vs FD2)
Proof #3 (vs NSX Type S Zero)
I never said FN2R you jackass. Wow you really are a fanboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
Jeez Monty you really hate the FN2. I'm starting to wonder if you've had a bad experience with it or with someone who owns it. Ex gf or wife has one perhaps?
I never once said FN2 is better than FD2. So you can stop your Hate FN2 anthems pal. We hear you, god damn.
I don't get a thing you say. I posted hard evidence about the FD2R after you said it was overated. It's clear in those videos that the car lives up to the hype. It is a proper Type R as we know them to be.
Like DreadAngel said in another thread, we don't like the FN2, which we are entitled to, you do like it though, which I can understand but with so much negative press on the FN2 are we the only ones? Or is it really not the car it could've been. The blindness comes from FN2 owners that think the car is better than it really is. I'll admit my DC5 has some pretty major faults, but it was a much stronger package in it's day than the FN2 is when compared to it's modern day rivals.
It all needs to be settled at a track day. The EK9, DC2 and DC5 would all make a mockery of the FN2 at the track. Sure, we don't live on the track, but your consitant rants about how quick the FN2 is fall on deaf ears when all the evidence contradicts what you're saying.
lol here we go again, "monty itr" vs "double r"
you should make your own thread bro :thumbsup:
actually very interesting to read
prolly this one, will definately good match with ep3r,FD2Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9...rf34500zc6.jpg
FN2 R "R" (rally edition)
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Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
You seriously try too hard to prove a point against one person.
I never once said FN2 is better than XXX or faster than XXX. Why make shiit up for?
Much like yourself, I'm allowed to criticize this and that but I never said anything about X being better than Y.
Stop having your panick attacks and learn to comprehend before rebutting.
This cool !Quote:
Originally Posted by bodaas
Some of you FN2R owners need to focking read a LITTLE closer...
You maybe satisfied with the EDM spec "Civic Type R" but you seem to be the only ones. The EDM spec CTR IS a make do compared to what Honda Australia could've got and that my friends is called the FD2R. Is that SO hard to get?
Double R don't make me quote up all your post, I'll bury you in your grave, sit down and read carefully what other people say. We know your prejudice against most other Hondas that show up your FN2R. You can't admit that your FN2R is inferior, in fact you say its superior because of age? Big whoop man! You've got problems if you think everyone on OH is caught up in this so-called JDM Fever. I'm sure as hell not...
bodaas, more interesting than your random post ;) lol
Yeah i strongly agree. But at what price? I thought the reason we got the FN2R instead of the FD2R was so that it could be competitive against other hatches here on price. If Australia got the FD2R it *probably* would have been in the very high $40's (my guess) drive away, meaning it would not have appealed to anyone EXCEPT the die hard fans. Considering the other hot hatches available here that can be had for the haggled $40k drive away price.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadAngel
Is it's performance any worse than the Evo IX or STi? From all accounts it's just as able round the track. No less streetable either. Sure it lacks that jump in and drive fast with AWD and turbocharging appeal, but I think to a purist the FD2R would stack up nicely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felix
The only concern I'd have is Honda Australia gimping the FD2R like they did the DC5R. Imagine if the car came out with less power, no Brembos, softer suspension, etc and a $49,990 or even higher price tag. I would pay $54k ish on the road for an FD2R but I'd want the real deal at that price.
The problem is that there are an absolute shit load more wrx and evo fans in Aus then there are Type R fans. Even with the FD2R being compareable in performance and at the same price, it still wont sell anywhere near as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
Those cars (evo / sti) will sell at almost any price due to their die hard fans.
The harsh reality is - that most likely *would* have been the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
You may pay $54k for an FD2R, i would tooo, but how many other australians would? My thoughts are that not very many would. Well not enough to justify Honda bringing the car to Australia.
In 2002 the DC5R could be had for what? $43 - $44k drive away. But there was no where near the competition in that same price bracket as there is today. Hence i believe honda had to bring a cheaper alternative to the Australian market this time around, otherwise may have run the risk of not meeting the bottom line.
Hell it could have been worse (some may agree otherwise) Australia could have missed out on getting ANY new type R.
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Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
The british bloke was quite prejudice towards the fn2r. complained about the ctr not feeling like it was that quick where he was sitting. i can tell you all new cars don't feel that quick because they are made to be more stable so the journey or ride is more enjoyable. its replaced with I-VTEC so the new vtec is more gradual. if you've driven a FD Civic going @ 60kms. you'll feel like ur crawling compared to a old EG equipped w/ B16A going at the same speed. as for the bucket seats, i don't see why he had to complain. the way i saw it was quite logicial.
In the second video. you were pretty much the judge. there was no negative comments or opinions. it was just pure facts pointed out while she was driving with first hand experience.
IMO i would agree with m0nty ITR, he said nothing wrong. all he said was the FN2R was short of a ride than the JDM FD2R. this is true by fact. also day to day prospect it would be a very good car to drive and own. i personally think it looks sexy and one of a kind in the hatchback category. i think the car has alot of potential, if tuned can be a deadly weapon.
Anything can be brought into the country at a price. I know that ADR makes it so hard to bring these types of cars to Australia. Noise restrictions, emission levels, registration all play a part in manufacturers not wanted to bring these cars out here. At the end of the day though, if the FD2R were compliant with ADR there would be no reason other than Honda just didn't want to bring them out. After all, there's no argument against having to change the car. Japanese cars are RHD, just like our market. If Subaru brought out 400 STi 3 door Versions IIIs and Volkswagen brought out 200 R32s, there's no reason why Honda couldn't bring out limited numbers of the FD2R. Who's to say that they won't once initial demand for the car subsides in Japan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Felix
Correct. But the price to bring the FD2R here is more then to bring the FN2R. Again we get to the fact that the FD2R would of had to be sold at premium, where it most likely would not have sold alot of.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
Lets hope they do. But by that time though there will be a better type R available in Japan and we will be back here haveing the exact same discussion. Just wishing to get the newer type r.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
Problem is, ADR has set levels, most european cars pass without a hitch :( Japanese cars to pass SEVS are subjected to the stupidest of tests. How many of you think Japanese cars have headlights that can't pass the ADR standard? Apparently all Japanese cars must have their headlights tested by various testing facilities and institution to convince the ADR that the headlights are "safe".
So there is more than just cost involved, the hassle involved with any Japanese car to be brought into Australia faces a very bias committee. This comes straight from taking to various compliance guys and RAWS workshop.
And hassle = $$$$Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadAngel
Location: Daikoku Futo - KyoufuTenshi Sukuro-Ru - NSW - Hills
No such place. JDM or Jap wannabe?
Stop being so hung up on JDM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Double R
All Double R has shown is how childish he is by stooping to calling ppl names. How old are you? 9? Sheesh...
I suggest you read up on this a little more before you continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Double R
double R... wtf...
haha
that is all i got to say
lol.
somewhere between the ages of 9 and 11 i believe.
well mate, i am not jdm haters, dc5r hater, or ep3r hater or fd2r hater, i wish i can collect all this car in my garage.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadAngel
i also dont like to criticize this car sht that car sht, everycar has it own weakness, build by human, we can say human error, thats life
people have their own choices to buy which car, which one best to buy which one is not, which one you can afford or which one you couldnt afford.
it should be discussion,not the haters.
i couldnt believe so much haters in the forum, in real life people love it
i was talking with some of the dc5 owner, they seem like the cars,we have a chat, i like their car too, we both same honda owner. But in this THREAd LOL
thats because haters don't turn up to jdm meets and they drive adm honda civics with fully sik 19" chrome rims with the wide bodykits OMG!Quote:
Originally Posted by bodaas
:thumbsup: bod man....i havent heard a negative comment bout my car in person ......y..e...tQuote:
Originally Posted by bodaas
like i said in one my posts....cars are subjective and not everyone
is gonna like a particular car. im glad that not every tom, dickh**d and harry drive the car that i do.
but man i never thought these threads would be this entertaining!!!! man....hahahahahahahahhaha
point i was trying to make in my last post was that there was a time wen you could walk into a honda showroom and choose between an nsx, crx, prelude or integra but these days??? .....and just my luck that now that im old enuff to have a licence and be able to afford these kinda cars, wat choice does honda give me?? an odyssey or a jazz??? so yer im glad that they did bring out the fn2r. its better than having nothing!!!!
hey moons mate....have u picked up ur car yet???
but yer guys....each to their own...peace :D
Saturday, with any luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by anu
Caught a glimpse of it when I took my plates in a few days ago and took this photo. :p
FN2 Haters look away!
LOL
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I luv this thread HEHE!!!!!!!!!
I am considering buying a FN2 in Red i luv them look like something out of this world to me they are a complete package only thing i want is a sunroof... i can hear everyone saying their slow and poo poo and stuff but hey you can only drive around up to 100km so whats the difference if you get there in 7.4sec instead of 6.6 HEHE
Well my 2 sence
Keep the funny comments coming HEHE
FN2 Haters look away! ===> lolQuote:
Originally Posted by moons
beauty mate, beauty :cool:
u ended up buying it from berwick, didnt ya??
amato2 ...like ur 2 senSe man
It's all about **** size, mate. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by amato2
hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha haha :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by moons
It is interesting how this thread has spun out of control.All I'm reading is that the EP3,DC2 FD2 Type Rs are faster and such than the FN2.Australia has never had a true JDM version of a Honda Type R -which by the way ,we all know are faster than the Fn2.These kind of FN2 discussions have been done to death on these and other forums.
I think we need to shift focus from Honda vs Honda which,to a certain point is fine to discuss-but can also lead to keyboard "punch ups" and an undermining(playing into the hands of some members).Why can't a discussion take the form of say, could a EP3 or FD2(JDM) beat a Golf R32 in the 1/4 mile and around the track!?!etc,..etc..
For those that have ordered a Type R (FN2 or JDM Rs) - it's a HONDA, all the best and enjoy.:thumbsup:
for myself i m not really Fn2R freak,
if fd2r and fn2r available in australia,
i pick fd2r because its faster but what piss me off is that Fd2 can be easyly modify to be type R look alike
i pick fn2r, because its better interior and front looks, and i know its slower but the good thing is there is no look alike type R
if some people say somthing about ep3r, i knew its fast and better
its like you talking about mitsubishi EVo 7 and Evo 9, evo 7 faster and better on track.
But definately people wont trade in new generation for past genaration
about Dc5, its more to unique car enthusiast, since honda doesnt produce this car anymore
718 replies...not bad....
i actually saw a black one today driving past my office in the morning. the first one ive seen in black on the road (apart from mine)...i work in dandy, vic next to the family court and centrelink office and across the road from the juvi centre....and for a second man my heart nearly stopped...thought some prick had nicked mine....then looked at the plates and nah its all good....its someone elses..lol....guess them sales r pickin up???
showed it to one of the partners at my firm today and man i swear he was more excited seein my car than i was on the day i picked it up....copping a feel here n there on my baby! he picks up his new 300C tomorro btw...optioned up 20inchers on it 2 ...HOT! :)