NEW 2009 Euro Luxury Auto Pinging

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10-03-2010, 09:50 PM
buddah51au

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Originally Posted by VIDSEURO

Hi Irving
I Just love the sensation of revving the motor and hearing that vtec sing.

Between 5000 to 6500 is great, but obviously your restricted to highways to do this. (4800 is VMAX in an Auto in top gear) A little over 27,000km here.
11-03-2010, 06:53 AM
Irving

For those who are still effected by this problem, I suggest that you have the following items checked by a good Honda Technician.

• Ensure that the SW has been properly loaded into the EMC and the Auto Transmission.
• Ensure that the Knock Sensor was properly replaced.
• Ensure that the EMC and CKP (Knock Sensor mapping) was reset.

The problem may show itself in many guises. The above work can be carried out at any service.

Good Luck Guys.
Irving
11-03-2010, 07:01 AM
Irving

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

As I have been saying all along, the upgrade for the post combustion noise needs to be implemented in a certain sequence to be successful by a technician who knows what he is doing. Unfortunately not all mechanics know their job & when they get it wrong we blame the manufacturer of the car. Always remember there are tradesman & there are so called tradesman, not every dealership is fortunate enough to have fully qualified, knowledgeable technicians who take pride in their work working for them which effects their reputation, (& our anguish if we have problems). Any company is only as good as the staff they have working for them. Now you can hopefully enjoy your car as much as I do.

Buddah, I agree with the above comments. However, I beleive that Honda Australia has the responsibility of troubleshooting (atleast) one effected car at their HQ in Melbourne and passing on the finding to the dealerships.
11-03-2010, 07:05 AM
Irving

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIDSEURO

I Just love the sensation of revving the motor and hearing that vtec sing.

Me too.... The first thing my Wife said after we had driven a few kms was "Gee the engine sounds so smooth now". And yes, this baby loves revving. Past 5000 and then 6000 yesterday and we were rocketting up those hills.
11-03-2010, 07:14 AM
Irving

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Originally Posted by nickxau

Irving and buddah, would you guys have the time to post the (itemised) parts used for the fix? I'm very interested to know...

nickax, I have already done this. Had it confirmed by the dealer on Tuesday and it's ok.

The extra part in VIDs car I think is a new EMC. If the SW is incorrectly loaded (as in Ping Fix 1), then the only way to fix it is to have the EMC replaced.
11-03-2010, 07:58 AM
buddah51au

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irving

Buddah, I agree with the above comments. However, I beleive that Honda Australia has the responsibility of troubleshooting (atleast) one effected car at their HQ in Melbourne and passing on the finding to the dealerships.

I believe they actually went further than that by sending at least 1 car back to Japan for evaluation, from which the PCS update was developed. From there all they can do is advise their dealer network of the fix. Thats where the problem begins as many mechanics do not apply the update correctly, or don't know how to.
11-03-2010, 08:22 AM
Irving

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddah51au

I believe they actually went further than that by sending at least 1 car back to Japan for evaluation, from which the PCS update was developed. From there all they can do is advise their dealer network of the fix. Thats where the problem begins as many mechanics do not apply the update correctly, or don't know how to.

The responsibility still lies with Honda Australia to ensure that it's dealers know how to correctly apply the fix. If the fix was been applied incorrectly, then HA should have got involved (again) to determine the breakdown. This is my point. The warranty is provided by the manufacturer who is ultimately responsible for it.

In my case my previous dealer washed his hands off the issue when it became apparent that he was unable to resolve it and referred me to HA.
11-03-2010, 08:28 AM
denot

Hi Irving, it seems the one that troubles you alot is this point:
• Ensure that the EMC and CKP (Knock Sensor mapping) was reset.

Is there any way we can do this by ourself (just disconnect - reconnect cables or switch, etc)?
11-03-2010, 08:36 AM
Irving

Quote:

Originally Posted by denot

Hi Irving, it seems the one that troubles you alot is this point:
• Ensure that the EMC and CKP (Knock Sensor mapping) was reset.

Is there any way we can do this by ourself (just disconnect - reconnect cables or switch, etc)?

Denot, You are spot on mate.

We can reset the EMC but not the CKP. This thing shows up on the HDS as Crytondhdjfkl Knock Somethingorother and the name alone is enough to scare any tech.....They are not likely to touch it.
11-03-2010, 08:39 AM
denot

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irving

Denot, You are spot on mate.

We can reset the EMC but not the CKP. This thing shows up on the HDS as Crytondhdjfkl Knock Somethingorother and the name alone is enough to scare any tech.....They are not likely to touch it.

LOL I thought it stands for Crankshaft Knock Position Sensor :p

anyway, so can we do this if we still hear ping on our car after the fix:
1. try to reset the EMC
2. if it still pings, bring it back to dealer and ask to reset the CKP
11-03-2010, 09:09 AM
Irving

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irving

For those who are still effected by this problem, I suggest that you have the following items checked by a good Honda Technician.

• Ensure that the SW has been properly loaded into the EMC and the Auto Transmission.
• Ensure that the Knock Sensor was properly replaced.
• Ensure that the EMC and CKP (Knock Sensor mapping) was reset.

The problem may show itself in many guises. The above work can be carried out at any service.

Good Luck Guys.
Irving

The SW download is very important as HA have already stated that in some cases, SW was not properly downloaded. Then the resets must be performed.
So I still recommend the above.
11-03-2010, 09:12 AM
denot

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irving

The SW download is very important as HA have already stated that in some cases, SW was not properly downloaded. Then the resets must be performed.
So I still recommend the above.

Cool! all in all, bring it to the dealer if you still find pinging :thumbsup:

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