has it been done?
what would be the major obstacles in converting a 1.3 breeze engine to take LPG.
pros and cons
and why people arent doing it
cheers
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has it been done?
what would be the major obstacles in converting a 1.3 breeze engine to take LPG.
pros and cons
and why people arent doing it
cheers
initial cost. And , being a carb'd car it will be quite more expensive to convert to LPG compared to EFI ( IMO , correct me !)
Also , converting to LPG "loses" 10-15% of your cars peak power apparently.
BUT , the inital $1500+ will pay itself off over 1 or 2 years for sure.
maybe been done... dunno why tho...
cons [major] power and torque losses... which arent good for a lil civic... u could prolly push it faster once converted...
pros... hmmm reduced costs? but this is overtaken by the lack of power... civics are already fuel efficient dont need lpg
lpg is used by a lot of large-ish cars ie v6s and v8s cos its fuel efficient, and they are already quite torquey motors...
A friend had his ute done recently and got a $500 government subsidy rebate. That certainly took the edge off the cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
But for a 1.3lt Civic? If your that tight, start riding your bike.
well gas prices are really taking off.
There is generally more support for carburetted engines then there is EFI. Aside from taxis, most LPG systems end up on older bent eights.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
However, there are no readilly available kits for the Civic. You'd have to import one from Europe, or have one peiced together. I'm sure that Gas Research Australia (http://www.gasresearch.com.au/) would be happy to help.
You see a few backyard oddities from time to time. I know of a turbo charged LPG 4AGE Sprinter making some good numbers.
Provided that the engine is correctly tuned for pure LPG operation, their need be no power loss. Their are quite a few bent eights and large capacity sixes out their making very large numbers on LPG.
Personally I wouldn't bother. Try tuning your civic to top condition and adjusting your driving style first.
Other then that, I'd look at selling it to purchase a desiel (Peugeot 405/6 most likely) or hybrid (first generation Prius is available for import via SEVS). Either option is a significant investment over your Civic however.
Check out the falcon E-gas engine, which has increased CR and is factory tuned for LPG. It makes 156kW, the petrol model 182kW.Quote:
Originally Posted by joonix
your gonna lose alot of power by converting it to lpg, which isnt such a good idea if you werent originally happy with power of the car... i'd convert a v6, v8 cos it wouldnt be as noticeable but a lil 1.3L 4cyl running on Lpg would be horrible to drive
The E-Gas inline six is tuned for maximum economy, whilst maintaining a reasonable level of drivability.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhatSol
Whilst I don't have the specifications handy, I expect the compression ratio to be not much higher then on the petrol variant, and the mixer to be compromised towards economy. 11:1 and 12:1 is common for after market LPG engines, and there are plenty of mixers and other associated components available that are geared toward preformance.
Whilst LPG does have a lower caloric content then petrol, this is offset by the more complete combustion.
It is possible, through proper parts selection and correct tuning for an engine running LPG to generate just as much, or more power then its petrol variant, and still be more cost effective (aside from the conversion costs).
i know that they make easy 12-13sec toyota 4cyl lpg cars with turbo mind you! go hard and if you keep it off max boost get good economy!
also the actual gas cylinder itself weighs alot if u have ever looked at the boot of a taxi then u'll know what im talking about
they are not only big but heavy too