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I've just been browsing online for a rear sway bar and noticed there's alot of rear subframe braces for sale as a kit with the sway bar. Basically I'd just like to know, what is a rear subframe brace, should I buy one, is it necessary for my eg (breeze model with a 24mm sway bar
subframe = No subframe tear out from excessive force applied from the thicker swaybar
The only real one that works, is ASR hands down, simple cause of how its constructed and mounted on resulting in evenly distributing the force exerted by the swaybar.
There is also Function7, unless u got a spare kidney to sell, dont bother with it lol
Do a search for asr
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Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
Where have you found evidence that other brands like Blackworks Racing and F7 don't work?
I never said they dont work, its how its mounted on thats the essential part that will make or break the sub frame, the one kit i have found that is faulty, is the old Whiteline kit for EK, search it an u will see why... even the beaks kit had problems
F7 is mounted the same way as ASR, so no that wont rip out..
Black works is a Ebay knock off of ASR, i was gonna buy it, but there was no real reviews on it, so i didnt touch it, ended up getting ASR 2nd hand instead, BWR, it seems legit enough, same design principal as ASR an F7, with the back plating mounting
Ok can I just confirm that the subframe is the back section of the chassis where the lcas bolt too? Is the brace needed for any swaybar? Even a stock itr bar on eg
correct.... the biggest any eg/dc2/ek can run is a 14mm stock sway bar, any larger an u be wishing u had a subframe brace, ITR is to big, its 22mm, hence why its always recommended u have a subframe brace, to prevent any tear out.Quote:
Originally Posted by crobaa
Thanks heaps for the info mate, do you think itr sway bar is a good choice?
do DC2R front and rear sway bar on the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by crobaa
Are they both direct bolt on's? Should I go dc2r or an equivalent aftermarket model of the same specs?
Front sway bar is a bolt onQuote:
Originally Posted by crobaa
Rear sway bar you need subframe brace like ASR etc
Do you think a used itr one is good or am I better off buying a brand new aftermarket one do you think?
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Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
Sorry if that's how I came across, but I'm just not convinced that ASR is the only proven option. Blackworks Racing is a very common brand in the USA, which I see mentioned frequently in feature cars in the Honda Tuning magazine that I have sent over from the USA, as well as their regular ads.
Here's a link to their official site if you haven't checked it out yet:
http://www.bwrusa.com/
Otherwise they don't look too dissimilar to me, but maybe I'm not looking at the right components of the SFB.
F7
http://www.function7.com/f7images/EG...s/img_1597.jpg
http://www.locashdyno.com/store2/ima...rear-brace.jpg
BWR
http://www.bwrusa.com/v/vspfiles/pho...gories/186.jpg
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...a/DSCN4905.jpg
ASR - admittedly looks tougher, but that's yet to be proven AFAIK
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...ie_504/ASR.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...bCllxfeBffuDod
theyre all the same idea.
i mean hell, if you have access to a CNC mill, even a plasma/water jet cutter, and some 6061-t6 aluminium, you could make your own.
understandable... but after more research, BWR is simply the same as ASR, just cheaper alternative.... id say if anyone where strapped for cash, definite give a go, no one in aus has yet to put one on, if i hadnt brought the asr kit, definite ill go the BWR kit...F7 is for bling factor lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dougie_504
If the BWR has similar components to the ASR, an is mounted exactly than id say there almost identical
Function 7 for bling factor :)
provided that the dc2r rear sway bar hasnt been in any damage i dont see why there should be any reason to buy new.
I'm probably going to go with the BWR so I can mount my DC2R RSB to my EH9 sedan. However for my CRX SiR I'll probably get the full ASR SF brace + RSB kit.
True, I've definitely seen it done somewhere. Just a chunk of aluminium with some holes in it...Quote:
Originally Posted by trism
What makes me lol the most is that ASR make a subframe brace for EFs. The swaybar doesn't even mount to the subframe in them lol. It's just bling.
I'd love to see if someone has ever mounted a swaybar conventionaly in an EF. Actually mounted it to the subframe.
Thank god you said so. I haven't even looked at the setup under there ever... Might just go with the Tanabe RSB if that's the case lol. Will check it out when I can be bothered :D
Can somebody tell me what an rsb is?
Hope you're joking...Quote:
Originally Posted by crobaa
Rear Sway Bar.
Still learning the acronyms lol
all good man, everyone has to start some where.... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by crobaa
Dougie if u do end up getting the BWR kit, let us know how it goes, for quality and fitment
I'm tempted to try it out, but the ASR is only $20 more. Do you bother trying to save $20 in this case? Merits more thinking...
well you can go for ASR which has been proven to work, or BWR, which hasnt been proven here, and be the test dummy lol
Even OBX asr knock off, id say would work just as well as BWR, it just the fitment that might be the hassle LOL
Well Dougie, like a said the ef swaybar doesn't even mount to the subframe.
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Originally Posted by trism
Yeah bro, I'm talking about my '94 Civic sedan. I've already got a DC2R RSB which I picked up for $120. I thought it was a steal so couldn't resist, but I'm hesitant to install it until I have a good SFB. It's already got Bilstein coilovers and JDM lower LCA's so I think the RSB would really improve the handling.
For my EF8 I'm not sure what to do. I'll check out the setup underneath next time I have it out (only drive it once a week or so) and if there's no point getting a SFB for the EF8 then I'll probably go for a Tanabe RSB rather than the ASR.
If its only 20 more I'd go for the ASR.
1. Its well proven
2. Its nice and bling
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How much is the function 7 brace? Any user feedback or anything anybody has heard?
Best new price I ever saw was $395 from JDMYard. Probably fine, like the ASR or BWR. Pretty hard to mess up such a simple piece IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by crobaa
Best ASR I've seen new is $270 from JDMYard.
BWR I've seen for $235 new (private seller), but is now best $250 from Shift Performance.
A little off topic but I have been doing a bit of reading on track prep of EFs and have read of multiple rear subframe failures, so some sort of subframe brace might be a decent idea. The failures are not due to the sway bar loads since the rear sway on an EF mounts off the frame in a different location, but purely due to the cornering loads transmitted through the LCAs into the subframe. I am considering the ASR brace just because it comes in black.Quote:
Originally Posted by dougie_504
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Originally Posted by chargeR
Very interesting. A few of my friends track their EF8's and haven't had any issues, but I'll ask them what they think anyway :)
Just bought a BWR rear subframe brace off ebay for $185 posted from the US :wave:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....=STRK:MEWNX:IT
Sick. Do let us know how installation goes. Pics too, please.
I am also waiting for one in the mail, as well as bwr coilovers, bwr front camber arms and gear knob. $890 deliverd XD
ITR is usually good enough as a basic upgrade without going over-board, plus Honda has done the research $$$$Quote:
Originally Posted by crobaa
let us know how bwr coilovers go, ive read some stories of them goin bust than them not refunding or wanting to rebuild them, so very skeptical on them, but prove me wrong :)Quote:
Originally Posted by vtecing
lolz.Quote:
Originally Posted by trism
As a fact, subframe tear is common on Eks, hence I use the ASR. Maybe the EF subframe is more robust.Quote:
Originally Posted by dougie_504
The swaybar doesn't even mount to the subframe in an ef. It mounts up on the chassis rails.
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Yeah, that's what chargeR was saying, but that the subframe can tear regardless. What do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by trism
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Originally Posted by chargeR
They will be used for serious track work with semi slick tyres so I hope they stay together lol. I was really curious though as pretty much no body uses them over here and all I hear about products that arnt sold by jdm yard are that they're rubbish. So im having a go. And for $550 USD delivered im not terribly concernedQuote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
i reckon a tie bar would be a better option as opposed to a subframe brace in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by dougie_504
Doesn't a subframe brace pretty much remove the need for a tie bar?
Well in the case of eg/k and dc, the subframe brace reinforces the points where the swaybar mounts, and spreads the load out, so when it twists it won't rip the bolt out.
The tie bar goes between the lca points and stops them flexing in and out under cornering.
It does the same job as a strut brace.
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Sorry for digging up an old post, does anyone of you who mentioned BWR has actually using or used them..? Are there any feedbacks..?
Got one on my ed/ef. With the BWR mount my swaybar is mounted the same as the eg/dc to allow fitment of the 23mm itr rear sway bar.
As a product it seems fine.