I reckon the LS2. 6.0 v8 300kw
what are you thoughts?
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I reckon the LS2. 6.0 v8 300kw
what are you thoughts?
hmm, dunno, I wasn't aware any Honda's came in v8's.... ;)
errr did i say it had to be a honda?
omg not everything revolves around honda
...*smacks head*
The new Mugen Legend Max engine
* Engine name: Mugen MF408S
* Engine type: V8 Naturally Aspirated
* Valvetrain: 32 valves, DOHC
* Layout: 90 degree V8 Naturally Aspirated
* Displacement: 4000cc
* Horsepower: 590hp / 9500rpm
* torque: 383lb/ft / 7500rpm
* Restrictor: 33.4mm x2 or 46.8mm x1
* Clutch: Carbon 4 plate
that aint a stock production engine dude
You never said it had to be a stock production engine you just said best V8 in the world.
I think Holden should stick to their standard push rod engine design. After the problems with alloy tech. The new quad cam V6 has been cracking heads heaps.
They should have just got the japs to build them an engine for it. They have been f*cking with DOHC a lot longer than anyone else.
nobody produces engines like the japs :)
cant go past there quality
BMW S62 engine form the E39 M5. 400hp (298kw) & 369 lb-ft (500nm) from a 5L V8.
0 to 100 in 4.7 secs.
Beat the shite out of any commo engine imo.
i'd say either the older bmw V8 from the M5
the lexus/toyota/nissan 4-4.5L quad camer's
or the new BA falcon quad cam V8
the LS2 is NOTHING special......300kw from a 6L. only "real" change from the old gen 3 is a slightly larger capacity.
When you concider that the in the 70s the GT falcon 351's were making something around 200kw
The 4.3 in the new F430 is amazing, the sound is enough to make me need some quiet time after one passes.. In full agreement with Usual Suspect tho, BMW engines (apart from their 4 cylinder ones which are absolutely gutless) can shit all over almost anything the rest of the world can throw at them. Same with their gearboxes. That said, the 5.4L supercharged V8 in the SL55 AMG is prettyt special..
3UZ-FE
yeah gotta give it to u there
farkin holdens are still making push rods
when japs had quad cam v8s like 15 years ago
the koeniegsegg CCR engine.
V8 supercharged
806 BHP
920NM
i went down rosebay to look at a black one the other day..
loads of CF.
the thing looks like a batmobile..
900 000 before taxes etc.
Ls2 is nothing special, 6.0L and only 297kw, I mean BMW's 5.0L from a few years back made a lazy 295ish kw. I mean come on, sohc and 3 (or 2 can't quite recall) valves per cylinder, where's the effort to bring it into todays world let alone the 80's? You don't have to look far to find something far better in refinement and efficiency. Look I was brought up a Holden man with HSV's and Dad's own engine rebuilds, but I discovered High tech machinery and now Dad's converted too, got a Liberty GT and loves it! Mate even my integra's embarrassed a passengerless CV8 with 2 mates in my car. Just some food for thought. No offense intended. :thumbsup:
LS2 isn't even overhead cam. Its 1 camshaft that runs down between the cylinder banks which operates pushrods. It has 2 valves per cylinder for a grand total of 16 valves! My D16Y1 has 16 valves.. hmmmn, can anyone say low-tech? :p about the only advantage of pushrod V8s is they seem to be a lot gruntier than their overhead cam cousins for some reason..
the hp/litre argument isn't really valid here as it's much a product of the state of tune of the motor. i've seen an ls1 with ls1 edit, cam, exhaust, header and intake pull something in the vicinity or 290kw at the wheels. thats a shitload of power. i believe the car went on to run a low 12.
thats represented a 6k investment i was told. not bad really.
i can only imagine what an ls2 would do, given it has ~300cc more capacity and -i'm guessing- a better head design.
i hear that the nissan vq45 is an awesome piece of machinery too.
the ls1 and ls2 v8's are very well packaged designs. they're small, light and make good power. they might have issues with reciprocating mass, but i still reckon they're the mofo shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captiva_Blue
LS1 and LS2... small, light and lots of power does not a good engine make, not when it has 16 valves and 1 camshaft.. they're both pretty damned inefficient stonage machines imo.. If you're after something aussie with shitloads of torque, buy an FPV Tornado.. If you want power, there is a plethora of other machines out there that do the 300kw+ formula using less fuel and putting out fewer tailpipe nasties. I can't think that an engine with basic architechture dating back to the 1970's is a good engine.. Personally I would rather be able to brag about how much power my engine make AND how little fuel it does it with AND how hightech it is rather than just how much it makes.. thats just me..
Old M5 engine for sure
And LS2??? Best V8? It's a pushrod!
F430's engine. Not as eleagant as F360's but heaps better.
aussie holden is just plain SHIT!
2nd that! The mugen V8 was the first motor that poped into my head, quickley followed by the F430 motor :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CTR Coupe
Mercedes Benz SL 55 AMG - V8 368kw, 700nm
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Originally Posted by CaP
:wave: :thumbsup:
To all you pushrod baggers... the LS2 is a cut down version of the LS7, and the vette has won best performance car years and years in a row... They are pushrod because they choose to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by V8_Hero
Look at fords DOHC, it ****s the weight balence (to high), it makes less power, and it weights more.. yeah big DOHC advantage...
Im not claiming the holden make the best v8 either... id probly go v8... that new Honda F1 engine i read theyd been testing ;)
Awarded by who?Quote:
Originally Posted by 91'lude
Ford's DOHC was no good because it wasn't a engine designed from scratch, it was a compromise bunged together from existing components. They basically did a frankenstein conversion one of us might have done.
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Originally Posted by 91'lude
Mercedes Benz AMG SL 55, or CL 55, or E 55 for that matter...take your pick and stop comparing it with the Holdens and Fords...
And if we are going to talk about Holdens and Fords and Chevs and whatever else you want to throw into the mix, XY GT 351 Cleveland is by far the best "traditional" V8 ever...took Holden 20 years to come up with something anywhere near as good.
where's V8 Hero gone? looks like this experts' favourite V8 can't compete with the other motors mentioned. Maybe he thought honda lovers wouldn't know about V8's?
:thumbsup: AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Nickt
Go the toyota V8's. As quoted in The Ages Drive yesterday
"Part of the luxo experience was the result of the LS400's powerplant. The 4.0-litre V8 used four valves per cylinder and double overhead camshafts on each bank, something that was hardly common in the early '90s.
Power was a stirring 190 kW with torque of 360 Nm, but more than that, the engine was smooth and sophisticated and so quiet you needed to check the tachometer at idle to make sure it was running."
Lets consider this scenario. When you hear ppl say "I got a v8 powered commodore" and u go "oh ok." but how about this..."I got a V8 powered Merc" the v8 moves up another level..dont u all think?
my vote would have to go to a big cruise ship like Pacific fair or pacific sun.
With a bore of probably a metre, i'd say that would produce better numbers than all engine's mentioned.
LMAO!! :D But can I get 1 in a commodore? While we're in crazy town, how bout one of the 8 cylinder powerplants from a WWII fighter plane?Quote:
my vote would have to go to a big cruise ship like Pacific fair or pacific sun.
With a bore of probably a metre, i'd say that would produce better numbers than all engine's mentioned.
Any V8 that is not a Holden is a good enough V8 Engine to me.....
werd... mercs imo... :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
Just thought of another one.. the new v8 in the upcoming M3. Word on the street is that it another version of the modular V10 in the current M5 but with 2 pots lopped off the back.. if this is the case, it will make 298kw and 416Nm from 4 Litres. Otherwise, all the same fruit as the V10, DOHC, Aluminium/Silicon block (no need for cylinder liners..) and variable timing, all with a redline of 8000rpm. Nice.
Oh, and all hail the V8 Hemi in the Chrysler 300C. It has 'Variable Displacement' as every big capacity engine should. It shuts down 2 or 4 cylinders when the demands on the engine are low to save fuel and cut emissions.. one of the few 8s to meet and exceed euro 4 emissions standards.
the new v8 hemi is in all the new aussie delivered jeeps also. Very very fast engines, they took the record for fastest mass production 4x4 by plonking in that 5.7L v8. And to top that they Chrysler are now about to plonk in an even bigger engine, 6.1L V8.
Let me start by saying that these threads are common across lots of forums and in my experience are completely random and stupid guesses based mostly on hearsay and marketting except in the rare instance of a well-informed engineer (eg. not me) stumbling in and giving real hard information. So back to the pointless guesses and hearsay, I'd like to put forward the cosworth DFV (and its successors) for excellent packaging, its leading power output for its time and for sheer racing pedigree, no other motor comes close.
Why do people say SL55 AMG engine?
I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE those cars and yes they make amazing power but how is it better than an M5 4.9L V8? Ok less power but it has no boost. Not to mention mercs have SOHC 3 valve engines. I am sure they are great but I pick BMW still
You've gotta say who it's awarded by and I would bet on it being best American engine, but look at all the other crap they produce.Quote:
Originally Posted by 91'lude
Oh and power per litre, small capacity high tech always wins, power and handling wise.
Now that's a logical choice, no cut corners or design compromises. There's a good reason why BMW won engine of the year with the V10. Wouldn't mind betting M3 V8 may follow suit. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Captiva_Blue
when it comes to v8s i think old school is where it started and its where it should stay... the push rod v8 is probably the oldest engine design ever.. and they try everything to make them like a twin cam 4 cylindar and only a few can pull it off
pure muscle the 351 cleveland, with a fat carb. its not rocket science but raw power.
But does raw power make a good engine? I don't think it does.. any engine can make shitloads of power but what makes an engine great is whether it can make it using a minimum of fuel, if it is well packaged and if it is reliable. I would hazard a guess that the 351 was a rather thirsty engine, by today's standards, it isn't very well packaged and they're about as reliable as a weather forecast.. Many new V8s are amazing pieces of kit which shouldn't be dismissed as an attempt to turn old school into something like a twin cam 4... just my opinion.
Road and track... they also gave the s2000 over the Z.Quote:
Originally Posted by IRI
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No one can deny the corvette's genius, its a different philosphy to most japanese cars, but through 7.0L's of good power, and balence... for what it is, it turns out one awesome car.
Adrian
do you by any chance have a pic of the exhaust turbo manifold for this engine?
Evan, it's actually NA... :rolleyes:
It's the current engine for the Indy Racing League (IRL)
I thik you're thinking of the 2002 Honda cart series engine. (It's turbocharged)
http://www.cartracingupdate.com/Cars...ndamotor25.jpg
After reading the link to Road & Track and various others, I find that the American system of judging a sports car is very much focussed on the ability to post 1 good lap time and not many laps consistently, with little or no regard to brake fade, tyre wear or fuel consumption. Now this is what wins races, consistency. If endurance was tested i believe the results would differ greatly, oh and seeing as these are Americas best why not test against the worlds best? Work smart not hard!
I strongly suggest getting your hands on a few Best Motoring DVD's and witness relevant sports car tests in minute detail.
I have my own criteria for purchasing a car compiled from comprehensive info and I choose to drive a Honda for reasons many here already understand.
I'm not here to argue, but to help educate. :thumbsup:
IMO this thread was looking for trouble and the whole (x or y) engine is best discussions are a waste of time. Educate yourself and draw your own conclusions and choose what suits you best.
Cheers :)
hey all i can say is toyota 1us-fe plus blowere = shite loads of grunt plus the whole cheap as chips factor. i know wat i would choose
Yeah, my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
Would you have a picture of the CART turb manifold?
Im not sure if you've looked into exhaust manifold design theory at all, but the street honda manifolds available (from most of the "good" shops in the USA) have completely different designs to the formula racing designs.
I dont really want to go into to much depth about it here, but if you have a pic could you please email it to me?
Cheers
http://www.redbook.com.au/vehiclesea...p?key=AUDI04DJ
station wagon or no station wagon, same engine.
V8 Engine. 40Valves. 5 per cylinder.
Twin Turbo intercooled
DOHC with VVT
0-100 4.7Seconds
560Nm @ 1950rpm
331kW @ 5700rpm
engine configuration V90
4172cc (4.2)
Four Wheel Drive
19" Alloy Wheels, 9 Speaker Stereo
weighs 1.8tonnes
actually, you're right- small light and powerful does not make a good engine *unless you're into performanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Captiva_Blue
since you're labelling pushrod slappers as inefficient, i guess you are about to provide us with some figures to back that statement up. i've not yet seen anything which really shows that a modern pushrod motor creates more emissions and uses more fuel than an equally new ohc design.
the only valid argument that i can see against pushrod v8's is the issue they have with reciprocating mass, but they redeem themselves in terms of pakaging efficiency. imo.
i guess another key difference between us is that i'd much rather "brag" about how much power it makes and how fast it is, rather than how little fuel it uses and how sophisticated/complicated it is.
I am aware that the comparison I am about to make is not direct but I believe that it illustrates my point about how pushrod engines, though powerful are innefficient next to a modern, high tech engine. Both engines serve the same intended purpose (making a goer of a family car) and from a litre less capacity, one makes a hefty 70 more kilowatts more than the other. That seems to indicate a lower level of efficiency to begin with..
HSV Clubsport R8 V8 6L Fuel Consumption - 15.2L/100km CO2 output - 362gm/km
BMW M5 V10 5L Fuel Consumtion - 14.8L/100km CO2 output - 357gm/km
now the difference here may not sound like a lot but consider this, each of these cars will do approximately 20000 - 25000km each year. That means that the "pushrod slapper" will use between 80 and 100 litres more fuel (about $120 worth) than the new high tech motor and put out between 100 and 125 KILOGRAMS more carbon dioxide.. all while having 2 pots fewer and making 70kw less.
To not give a toss about how your engine makes the power it does robs you (IMO) of a lot of the joy of having a car and to not give a toss about the impact your engine has on the environment (and your hip pocket) is downright irresponsible.
I agree, commonsense prevails, although not so common these days. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Captiva_Blue
all that serves to illustrate is that the package in a $230k bmw is more efficient than that of a $70k r8. we are discussing engines here, over all consumption is a function of a multitude of variables, not just the motor. how about the fact that the ls2 in the commodore is bolted up to an unsophisticated transmission and is missing three whole ratios (4 speeds vs 7 speeds) yes, the m5 is a superior vehicle to an r8 in just about every concievable way, excluding performance for your money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captiva_Blue
i'm in a rush atm, i will add more to this discussion as it's very interesting- this is to be continued...
Well i thort i might get back 2 topic and post wot i think is the best 8 cyl engine in the world is....none of this bmw v10 crap:p
From on paper specs imo the ferrari f430 v8 would have to take out this
Cost is irrelevant here, this thread is about what 8 pot engine is the best, not what 8 pot engine is the best under 70k. You asked me for some figures backing up my contention that pushrod motors are less efficient than overhead cam designs.. I believe that I've done that. You asked for fuel consumption figures. I gave them to you. You asked for pollution figures. I gave them to you. And I found an engine, albeit one with 2 extra pots, that has a litre less capacity but makes 70kw more. If you are still not convinced that pushrod engines are less efficient than modern OHV designs, go and look anywhere in the motoring press and read what they say when comparing a pushrod donk to a newer OHV one.. they'll say the same thing. If thats still not enough, consider this, what engine design is most commonly used for high powered cars... the answer speaks for itself, pushrod just can't cut it for efficency, power or tunability next to a more modern design.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
cost is always a relevent issue; it's the only way you can compare motors with different states of tune, aimed at different markets, against eachother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captiva_Blue
for this debate to be at all relevent, it needs to take more into account than just factory output and emissions levels. you've got things like production costs, output, potential output, output efficiency, packaging efficiency and mass. and thats assuming that we're talking in the context of performance motors.
well if you want to trivialise the discussion, i could very well write off the m5 as irrelevent seeing as it has a v10. you've gone and compared what represents the pinnacle of development of one motor and used it as a yardstick against what is essentially a run of the mill, mass produced motor. it takes a relatively small amount of work to hit very big numbers in an ls1, i'd imagine an ls2 to be much the same.
yes, i've read motoring press articles on the old pushrod vs ohc designs, and there is fierce debate there too, in fact if you haven't come across articles praising the packaging efficiency of pushrod v8's then you've been selectively reading press articles.
you've also missed the point of my last post, if we're talking motors, you can't compare the emissions of one vehicle against another the way you've done, and use that as proof of one motor being superior to another. those figures are for the cars, emissions can be immensly effected by the exhaust systems, intakes, mass, transmissions tuning and a horde of other little things. so your fuel/emissions figures are about as useful as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest- in the context of engine emissions alone anyway... the same argument can be levelled at power outputs aswell.
how much further can you push the older e39 v8 in the m5 for example?
how about the w210 e55 v8?
you'll find that the ls1 compares very favourably with those motors.
on a tangent, if it's ease of tuning and hitting big numbers you're after, i think you'll be hard pressed to find anything with more aftermarket support and development than the small block v8's from the states.
fwiw, if you want to preach about ignorance and a lack of responibility regarding emissions, you ought to be driving a prius, or other hybrid, or better yet, be using public transport. if you are into extracting performance out of motors, you're basically harming the environment for pleasure, whether you like it or not. that said, people should do what you can to minimise the impact e.g- run a catalytic convertor.
So you want something more relevant. Ok.
Mercedes Benz E55 5.4L V8 Fuel Consumption - 13.1L/100Km CO2 - 314gm/km power - 350kw torque - 700Nm Weight - 1800kg
HSV Clubsport R8 6.0L V8 Fuel Consumption - 15.2L/100Km CO2 - 324gm/km power - 297 torque - 530Nm Weight - 1700kg
Now, the 5.4 in the MB has a hell of a lot of aftermarket support, look at Brabus, Kleemann and Koenig to name just a few and see how many off the shelf items they have for this engine. For costs, look at the cars in their home market. The E class occupies the same position in Germany as the HSV R8 does here in terms of both cost and target audience. The only reason an MB E55 costs so much here is that it is imported for the EU where the Euro shits all over our dollar and because it is marketed as a luxury car. Over there, they are family hacks and taxis. The E55 has only 1 more ratio in its gearbox - seems pretty well on par to me. Yes, the E55 is supercharged but that doesn't make the comparison irrelevant. It still makes more power and more torque while using less fuel and putting out fewer nasties. It's also a of a comparable physical size to the LS2 which is, by the way, the hand built pinicle of small block motors in the same way the the AMG 5.4L in the MB is.
And don't insult me by saying I'm preaching and telling me I should drive a prius or ride the bus, that makes you look dumb, not me. I'm looking at the concept of a good engine from all standpoints, not just from the hardcore tuner's standpoint. Why do you think the LS1 and LS2 have never won a gong from the annual Engine Of The Year awards, could it be because the judges are doing the same?
from that pearler, i've established that you don't actually read what you're responding to. unless those figures were made on an engine dyno, they mean diddly squat in this discussion. one last time- car economy and efficiency testing has too many variables to give any conclusive evidence as to which motor is more or less efficient. let alone which one is better...
the engine of the year award is a big fuss over nothing. basically, a bunch of motoring hacks get together and vote on what they think constitutes the best of the new motors. sorry, but i find those sorts of awards very hard to take seriously. they're basically good for a read and show nothing of the potential and/or limitations of any of the motors. i guess it's fine as a guide for people interested in how things are when they leave the factory.
as for insults- people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. you can expect to recieve thinly veiled insults when you start pontificating about responsibilities towards emissions. if you hadn't implied that i am in some way irresponsible for having a soft spot for pushrod v8's, i'd never have pointed out that using your logic, you were irresponsible for not relying on public transport.
to think, all this started because i dared say that the ls1 and ls2 motors were actually good things. in fact, i'm not even trying to say that they're superior, to ohc designs, i'm just pointing out that they should not be written off as inferior when they do present some compelling advantages for v-configured motors.
edit-> i should probably add that i am talking about these motors as a building block for performance applications, although i think that was clear from the beginning. what that means is taking the basic unit, and giving someone a free reign with modification and applications... i'll never really be one to look at a motor "from all standpoints" as i find them in their factory state to be totally boring.
Sorry to bring up old threads but the Hemi V8 engine in the Chrysler is not really a hemispherical engine.Quote:
Oh, and all hail the V8 Hemi in the Chrysler 300C. It has 'Variable Displacement' as every big capacity engine should. It shuts down 2 or 4 cylinders when the demands on the engine are low to save fuel and cut emissions.. one of the few 8s to meet and exceed euro 4 emissions standards.
http://www.automobilemag.com/news/04...ad_old_800.jpg
Half of an original Hemi cylinder head - note the dome-shaped chamber and relatively great depth.
http://www.automobilemag.com/news/04...ad_new_800.jpg
5.7-liter Hemi Magnum V-8 cylinder head - nothing hemispherical about it. Note the irregular shape.
On another note Holden will introduce their new 6L pushrod V8 next year (gen 4 - which inculdes the LS2), this replaces the older gen 3 engines like the LS1. Base trim for the new holden engine would be 260kw and 510Nm. This engine would also have VVT and also DOD technology (Displacement on Demand). From what I heard this engine along with a new 6sp transmission would be over 7% more economical and also 7% more powerful than the outgoing model.
German engineering vs Australian pushrod engineering.
I know which one i'd be putting my money on ;)
The gen 4 engines i.e. ls2 found in holdens and HSV's are one of the best engines, I would not say the best. Ill just put in some pros:
1) light (about as light as an MX5 engine)
2) small and compact (again around the same size as an MX5 engine)
3) powerful ls2 are around 297kw stock
4) economical for the power and torque it produces
5) parts are widely and cheaply available
6) less parts than other engines
and 7) can be made cheaply - better for the consumers $$$$$$$$.
sorry to burst your bubble.. but they are made cheaply as well.
The germans are good at engines, no doubt about that.Quote:
German engineering vs Australian pushrod engineering.
I know which one i'd be putting my money on
However lets look at it from a buyers perspective:
aust cars are cheaper, more parts (performance or otherwise), more mechanics (better rates), reliable, comfortable and powerful.
Also do you know that Holden supplies engines to SAAB. Holden supplies their 2.8L engine delivering 250 horsepower at 5500 rpm and 258 lb-ft of torque from 1800 – 4500 rpm. This particular engine was also rated as one of the 10 best engines for 2006 (Wards Communications). Holden has also designed a word class chassis (Zeta or VE), look for the upcoming commodore. In addition Holden is now GM's centre of R&D for RWD medium to large cars as well as having the third largest design facility in GM (arguably one of the top 3 auto company in the world).
I think you are biased and too emotionally attached with Holdens mate.
The original subject was entitle "Best V8 engine in the world"
As it was ironically posted by a Holden owner and driver, his intentions for posting such a thread could be considered ironic and possibly as light humour for our Honda community.
I have driven many Holdens, HSV's and alike and i recall a new Statesman we borrowed for a road trip from Canberra to Batemans Bay recently. The aircon garnishes fell off, some other interior cosmetics were loose and on one occasion, a bonet release lever snapped off in our hands. Yes this car was only a few months old and to me thats Holden. But this thread is about Engines - not car makes ;)
Holdens engine knowledge is not holdens knowledge
it's scooped from the yanks aka GM
Holden has improved alot compared to 10 years ago.
but still holden has alot to learn.
holden is up against big international manufacturers that supply there products to the world.
whilst holdens main makret is it's local market.
ls1,2,3,4's or what ever will be are good engines. but there are better engines out there.
so i think it is pretty useless to argue about it...
Name me another engine that can easily handle over 6-700hp stock, that has as much development and ## running over 1000hp.Quote:
sorry to burst your bubble.. but they are made cheaply as well.
this is from another forum (a gto forum), from peter (aps) himself
http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/ls...hp_power_t.gifQuote:
You might be right about that though the drive train has proven to be more robust that first thought. Here's a power and torque graph of the LS2 twin turbo, hope you enjoy. Now at 530 WHP at 6.5 psi, more power to come in the near future.
They were also using the stock tires and engine just to test its limits.
This number has since been surpassed their LS2 has now showen to be capable of a 10.29 @133 quarter mile and delivers 615RWHP or 460RWKW, just from the twin turbo.
Many guys in america (gto owners) and australia have both bored out engines and turbo kits on their cars producing way over 700hp.
OK have a look at the top drag cars in the world, many of those use the LSx engine i.e. vette, camaro, TA, GTO and basically all holden V8s. Also have a look at the fastest production cars around the nuremberg track in germany, one of those stands out from the rest (the Zo6 C6 corvette). Not only is the car one of the fastest but was also one of the few non racecar/supercar and one of the cheapest. The vette z06 uses the LS7 engine (prob used by the next HSV GTS) and stock form produces over 500hp and low 11sec quarter.
Get it right it's Chevy V8 not Holden V8
and theres more to a fast car than an engine
and also some of the best drag cars a 6 cylinders
and the best 8 is the toyota V8 twin turbo soarer
In some ways I am :) but im also very attached to my jap cars especially my 300zxTT.Quote:
I think you are biased and too emotionally attached with Holdens mate.
I agree with you, they are up against larger companies with better exporting capabilities and some with even better engines and manufacturing procedures. However I dont agree with the common theme of Holdens = cr@p, low quality blah blah blah. Everyone has differing experiences with local products. Personally my ford and holden cars have been the more reliable (still running strong with my holden well over 500,000 km on the clock), while my nissans and toyotas (sold the toyota already but still have a soft spot) have required more maintainance.Quote:
ls1,2,3,4's or what ever will be are good engines. but there are better engines out there.
so i think it is pretty useless to argue about it...
Also note that holden now owns daewoo and have just started to design them (current cars are still daewoo). Have a look at the s3X, or as some people have called it, the sex car. The zeta platform holden designed will be used throughout the world and uses similar suspension to top BMW's.
You are asking for an engine shutdown my friend.
If you want to talk built up V8 engines. Lets talk about Mugen Honda V8.
Seen here is the engine:
2.85l V8 DOHC
Over 770HP @ 13000rpm
Garrett Turbo.
http://www.dohc-vtec.com.au/pages/im...m/IMG_0464.jpg
Id like to see a 'Holden' engine rev past 10,000rpm :thumbsup:
i like holdens and fords i just dont like the biased idiots who drive it.
but you have quite a few things wrong that i'll like to point out
Holden is apart of the GM enterprise.
GM owns Daewoo now.
it is only marked holden now bcause holden is GM Oceania and what ever GM product gets sold in the Oceania region wears a holden badge
same with the vectra's astra's and barlina's
but as i said i do agree the GM V8's are a very cheap affordable V8
but puting them as holden (Australian Tech) is wrong
Audi Diesel V8 Twin TURBO!
800 miles on a full tank
Lets make things a bit clearer Holden is a subsidiary of GM, making them 100% seperate from other GMNA subsidiary's i.e. chevy, pontiac etc. Holden is the major shareholder in Daewoo 40%, GM have also contributed a further 17%. This kind of arrangement is a bit wiered but you have to remember that although Holden is 100% owned by GM, both companies are run separately. Therefore I would say that Holden ownes Daewoo, since its Holden that bought the 40% of shares, not GM.Quote:
Holden is apart of the GM enterprise.
GM owns Daewoo now.
it is only marked holden now bcause holden is GM Oceania and what ever GM product gets sold in the Oceania region wears a holden badge
same with the vectra's astra's and barlina's
Think of it this way, GM NA is shedding subsidaries i.e. oldsmobile while holden is on an increase i.e. daewoo, new engine facility, new design facility and platforms.
Also I agree with you on the engine, the LSx is a GM corporate engine. I was simply making things easier for everyone.
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Civic type R, the vette engine is not a racing only engine, its actually on a roadgoing car thats priced far less than any supercars, bmws or even MB. In my view having an effecient engine is not the one with the smallest displacement, but the one with the best L/100km. I also regard torque at low RPMs as better than torque at high RPMs. An engine that can achieve a higher RPM does not necessarily mean better.
Also guess which types of engines are prefered in drag racing applications (very very high hp).
that's something new.Quote:
Originally Posted by monaroCountry
i didnt know holden bought the shares.
well anyways what ever the case maybe
i recon the best V8 in the world (sound wise) Ferrari V8
I don't think a holden engine can be considered good let alone best...
In the words of pauline hanson "please explain" :):):)Quote:
I don't think a holden engine can be considered good let alone best...