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Ok so I have sourced an engine for my car complete with engine (B16B), transmission, wiring, ecu, drive shafts, headers, etc.
I'm curious on any info/feed back from anyone on a choice (&size) for exhuast system, and if using the std Vti Radiator is a good idea.
Whilst Im there what else should I also look at in terms of maintence as it has made it to 200,000 after all :cool:
i would get a b18cr not much dearer and u wont regret it down the track
b16b is good but for roughly same amount of money ryan i would go the 1.8
exhaust 2.25 to 2.5
vti rad should hold up
i would change the timing belt and also gaskets if u can
just get the vrs kit and replace while motor is out
yeah what lan said.. try and replace as many of the seals as you can as well.. just saves having to take the motor/gearbox out again when its in the car to replace it..
all the gaskets seems a bit extreme, which ones have you done? who sells the vrs kit? the money is different by a good grand and for what Im using it for it will hardly matter
traders like jdm yard about 250
if I need to do the gasket, doin this swap wont be worth it lol, engine already is enough and damn well better be in good nick for what theyre worth otherwise will start looking at datsuns )sr20s) again lol
I havent ordered anything yet, I dont want to spend over 9k on this swap, if the estimate is over, it wont happen, waste of cash, may as well buy a turbo for the same coin
if its a half cut ryan its likely its been sitting in the back of some guys shed. this could mean the seels are shit and cracked... its something you need to do if you want the conversion to be as troubless as possible...
then I may not even bother then, rest of engine could easily be shit inside. this is just getting out of a realistic budget, have to see how it goes at the shop now. Cheers for your help guys :)
b18cr ftw.... do it. i am. its in japan atm so im playing the waiting game for hte next month or so... il pm u a good site hold on
so far in AUS for labour, supply with new exhaust from std headers and clutch its around 8800 so far..... thats as much as Im prepared to spend...
Nah, Im goin B16B something diff :)
pretty sure the vti rad, has a smaller opening than the b series one. I'd change that radiator.
Headers, i'd go 2.5" that a nice little revver you've got there
do it once do it right.
i know there's a budget involved.. but u want that money spent right..
not spend 8.8k on the dot.. and then having to change things like seals n gaskets down the track. which will end up costing u more anyways.
$8800 for a b16b swap?
may as wait for the aussie dollar to pick up, save a few more hundred and do a k24 swap...
MUCH newer engine... plus think of all the torque! wow nice... hehehe
ur already spending that much money, how much more is it to spend an extra 1K to have it cleaned out/refreshed etc etc
the k20 swap is in excess of 18k to complete in total which is out of the question for a daily driver...
another 1k... geez under 10k is too much, these motors for that coin better damn well be fresh, without the need for a freshining otherwise I may as well turbo a d16 engine or drive a datsun with a snail lol lol lol
atm the engine should be alright from what I have already heard, get the 2.5" fujitsubo exhuast on the std headers, pay another 300 for an oem like clutch if the std one has barely any meat left, and sus out my wrecker for a vtir radiator. There is no way Im ripping apart a B16B to change gaskets, it should for the bling I'm forking out of my pocket have at least 100,000km+ worth of life and I have never heard of them failing so I'm leaving that to fate and the above average engineering in Honda, after all theyre no Datsun lol
But would it be alot easier since the engine is out of the bay? i guess change all the stuff like water pump, timing belts.
why do you want a b16b instead of a b16a??
The price hike for an extra 10 horsepower (at the fly) isn't worth it IMO.
either get the b16a and save some coin, or spend the extra and get the b18c7. :thumbsup:
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
B16a motors are a good platform to work from. Just look in the track section. We are using a b16a for competition use and keeps up with some hectic million dollar setups.
yep i agree aswellQuote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
also if there is 200,000kms it's going to need a water pump soon enough and a timming belt asap so you might aswell do those when it's out of the car at the least
I cant find one with all the gear atm, in a half cut form otherwise I would Jase... If anyone has info I'd like to know :)
Im pretty much getting it as the shop has everything I need to install, but if a diy came up to me with the time to do it I would easily reconsider, just cant find all the parts atm, nor have time and I need to do something within the next 3wks
save your money and wait man. something will pop up sooner or later.
even if you have to buy everything seperately, it'll work out cheaper then going JDM yO!.
you could get a b16a and some bolt ons similar to mine
Maybe come for a ride in my car with b16a and bolt ons
Then go for a drive with Yin who has a lighter car with b16b ands intake only you will be surprised
I've driven both and can't really tell the difference
either way he is going jdm yoQuote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
jdm is the only way to go because aussie parts are shit and water downed
with your type of money ryan go the b18cr
8800 is plenty to do a conversion in your car
those other things mention u can get later
clutch can be put in when doing the conversion
exhaust is easy to do later
u will have change to get a aftermarket radiator
b18cr packages go for like around the 6 k mark
so u will have 2800 to spent on labour and parts
Pm Barefootbonzai. He can sort you out.
B16a running gear cost about 2.5-3k. Spend the rest on some mods and you'll beat a stock b16b setup.
Great advice as usual guys.
JDM or AUDM i don't care. HP is HP.
10 extra HP at the fly and almost twice the price isn't a good deal.
b18c if you wanna spend the money, or b16a and save some dosh.
Aus spec might be watered down but JDM is over rated IMO
At least with Aus spec you can find out some history for the engine and have someone told hold accountable if it's not what they said it was.
In japan cars are cheap so you get people that either can't drive or don't respect their cars buy them thrashing them and then flogging them off
i said k24... but yeah anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by EK1.6LCIV
how much can you get if u sell ur car and add 8.8k to that... would be able to get a much better car then a b16a ej8
maybe when u guys actually get some jdm motors u will understandQuote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
so what if it has log book doesnt always means the motor is well looked after
best to judge motors on their merits not a log book
I had a ek4 b16a conversion with bolt-ons for about 4k. Should of bought that...;)
But yeh, on a serious note, for bang for buck, ill get a b16a conversion and add a b20 vtec bottom end. Works out to be around the 6-7k once its all done with a fresh bottom end, plus its makes more torque than the B16b
Goodluck with your choice
ryan, u are prepared to pay too much.
Seriously I highly recommend you to get B18, even B18C2
due to the fact that i got 16B with cams.
Few things to be noted:
Change all the seals if possible, include cam seals, RMS, Sump Seals etc
Change timing belt, water pump etc
Change clutch and flywheel.
all together will roughly total for 8-9k installed for B18Cr
if I was to find the B18C for that price Im there, but on another note if I have to change all the seals, water pump and timing belt the price for what I get isnt really worth it imo, seriously I can get some very nice rides on the market for over 10k if I was to change seals and what not.
I'm still very keen on the B16B, I'm just goin to drop it in and see how we go, keep the std clutch for awhile and just bolt up the aftermarket exh.
DAMN!!! with a extra couple of grand you might as well buy this
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99663
Give me $8k, i'll get a B18CR into your car easy.
we will talk :) I'll PM you my number, thanks again
not after a hatch, it is an unreal car, congrats to the person who buys it, it's a gem :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ef yu
There is a JDM b18c for sale in the part section. Itsi n NSW but transportation is no problem..
You should snatch that one asap, comes with a few goodies
will get it delivered to you for less than 200bux.
you then can pay barefootbonzai to install it for you. less than 8k in total, and you got yourself an aftermarket ECU aswell
its sold.... damn, but so far I have the b16b to choose from and the b18cr
will post up with some updates, thanks to all for the advice and direction
juts sent you a pm mate with some info
thanks for that
Me first for the install..... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
amen thatQuote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
you pay what 4k for a b16a dropped into the car
So 4 k to spend right? Buy an LSD, Forged internals, CTR cams, port and polish the head and see how much change u get from the 4k
I did however come up with a list of needed items
• EK4/EM1 radiator (twin core)
• JDM cat back exhaust $750
• New Exedy OE clutch $300
• New fluids
• Seal kit (intake, exhaust, head, sump) $245
• Timing belt $85
• Water pump $160
anyone else care to add to the list of things I have to buy before going any forward
Hardly... It's 10-15 hp less than the b18 type R.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
As for 200,000 kms dont bother, you will be driving hard coz you want to go fast with such an engine and it will just blow like mine did with only around 130 XXX - 150 -XXX. Then it's another 4.5 grand to spend on a rebuild as i learnt from experience.
Also b16b is great fuel economy when driving grand-motherly but to really notice the go you have to be hitting v-tec 24/7. IMO just for the pure torquiness go a b18. I wish i did, but thats not to say i'm not extremely happy with the b16b
I just cant justify the B18CR cost in my coupe compared to the B16B, theyre a good 1k in price diff