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Assuming the same EG Civic car setup (street, semi stripped rear/boot) with the following mods:
Hondata s300
I/H/E
HD Clutch/Lightweight Flywheel
What kind of difference would one see between the following three engines in the above car? Specifically for expected 1/4 mile times.
AUDM B18C2
JDM B18CR
AUDM B18CR
I'm just trying to justifiy bang for buck, vs price, vs performance.
Thanks
not much at all
i prob say the jdm b18cR with the 98spec 4.7fd gearbox..
will be the same as audm b18cR but more responsive to mods i rekon
u will looking at .5-1 sec difference with the engs
there is no bang for buck as u will spend more with those mods to a b16a motor
just get the b18cr motor
and if u dont have the money as everyone says on here or cant afford for it
SAVE SAVE AND SAVE SOME MORE
u wont be disappointed
if you want bang for buck go get a wrx
Which model Rex would be best bang for buck?
the RX model. :)
any.....
any...
u can do a eg b18cr for less than any wrx
so honda would be the best bang for buck
so what happens when u blow a 4wd gear box is it a bang for buck then
is it bang for bucks in parts and servicing ?
a b18cr eg is way more fun to drive than any wrx...
with the mods u listed and some suspension mods, the eg is one of the best daily drives and will also have great performance on circuit and 1/4 mile..
bang for buck really depends on the owners ability to do the labour himself and/or souce out cheap parts.
considering the prices for honda parts these days i wouldnt say its cheap either.
You obviously havent driven a wrx with about 200kw atw? hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by thaizeg
lol no and i bet it will be alot of fun...
but factor in the cost of the car and the amount needed to get to that stage.
sorry if i wasnt clear.
a mildly setup b18cR eg will cost me less than 15k with interior/exterior mods.
i dont think i can find a 200kw atw wrx for that price.
:D
dont waste your money on a bseries if your going to do all those mods.
Put in a K20 or k24 for that same amount of mods. If you sit down and have a think of how much you are going to spend on the B-series, you could of got yourself a K-series for 1-2k extra.
I had this similar chat with a mate, and he made the right choice
eg with the right sussy mods = heaps of value for daily! b18cr is just the icing on the cake.
wrx tho is a different game
well id say the JDM b18cR is the best. if im not mistaken the engine is 5 kw extra compared to audm b18cR. tuned it should give out some mad power not forgetting that you have altered your power to weight ratio and if its a eg breeze you cant go wrong since eg breeze had the lightest shell out of the eg range.
rex is a nice ride but as a daily ahhhhh i wouldnt settle for it. even with your engine swap in the eg your fuel comsumtion wont really be high and would serve as a good daily car and a beast when you want to let it rip.
okay wtf? Whats with all the homosexual responses? I didn't ask about a wrx, or about the definition of bang for buck. My bang for buck reference was in relation to the 3 engines I listed.
I'd like to know the difference between each of them, when on the same car with those mods listed. I don't care if your mums sisters ugly cousin drives a 200kw wrx.
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Originally Posted by Benson
Yeah, but then when you factor in the small things it's not really $2k.
Factor in K-Pro, and your typical engine mounts/headers and I think it gets really expensive. Probably then need hasport axles too.
I'm not listing Brakes or suspension because I'm running BC RS Dampers on 4 lug DC2 Brakes all round. But I agree with you though, I would love a K20 and I'm still thinking about it. I just keep getting concerned about the extra few g's that'll keep being required. Benson can I ask you, backyard job K20 into EG, how much do you think running just K-Pro? Obviously headers, cat back and intake will probably need to be custom. Otherwise everyone else will be bone stock (clutch/flywheel) or bone stock required (axles/engine mounts). For the JDM B18CR, I figure it's a sage $7000-$7500 but everytime I sit down for the K20 it's an easy $10,000 not factoring in a few surprises..
Thanks for the good replies from a few people (90lan, 53exx etc)!
Thanks for the reply. I know the JDM B18CR is the best engine out of the 3, but say if I can do B18C2 for $4k installed, is the JDM B18CR worth the $7500?Quote:
Originally Posted by night_wolf
Just save the money and get the JDM B18CR, you'll appreciate it in the long run, oh and just a tip, keep an eye out for front cuts so you get most things that you'll need for the conversion. The parts that you're left with, you can keep for spares as EG and DC2 are quite similiar in some sense... or you could sell the un-used parts!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moya
The installation should be the same across all the three motors so shop around for installation costs as well. If someone charges you more because it's JDM or a 'type r' motor rather than a VTI-R motor.. tell them shove it.. they are all the same, just different internals and ECU configurations... and they all fit snug in - if that makes sense?
GOOD LUCK!
vtec Yo...
well the thing is moya its hard for me to say but it all comes down to want you expect from your car. first off if your looking for a drag car + daily then id say go with the JDM b18cR. if your going for a daily + track or mountain runs then a b18c2 will do nicly also there is one thing that might be up for consideration. COSTS. a nicely moded B18c2 should cost you a little less than the price for a JDM b18cr but that something for you to think about. personally i would get the JDM motor as they are run crazy although stock (extractors and a good exhast + CAI taken into account). AND yes they are worth every penny but it also depens on how much love was put into that engine mate. a little TLC goes a long way when it comes to a engine.
as JDM80Y mentioned get a half cut since there is alot of things you shall require for the convert. Might like to make a suggestion about updating your brakes/brake booster and propotional value. all that Hp needs braking power too. LOL :thumbsup::D
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Originally Posted by night_wolf
Thanks. I'm already running fully upgraded brakes (DC2 corners, DC2R Booster/MC) and suspension. I'm also running DC2R suspension (sway, struts and shocks/springs, lca's). All thats left now is the engine (and rice).
I'm basically looking for a daily driver, that I can take mostly to the drags. Then there's to quarterly Mountains. I'd love to start getting into Circuit days too.
I honestly don't even race/hoon on the street. Hence why my stock 1.5 engine is okay for me as a daily, but the extra B series torque/power would be nice.
Just do b16a! fun motors! And if it breaks or blows up there cheap to buy unlike b18cR.
LOL b16 motors are more revs compared to a B18, both engines are great for swaps but has alot of facters that needs to be taken into consideration, not that im bad mouthing b16's its just that it all comes down to the driver of the car and what rocks his boat.
yup looks like youre on the right path with the mods to the car moya. wish you all the best and keep us posted on whats happening. decided on what ECU your going with yet??? or you going to use a teggy ECU without tunning???
b18c2 would also be good. but i would also get the type r 4.7fd lsd gearbox.
it makes an incredible difference.
but then again it puts you just that bit closer price range to a b18cR...
b18c2 have better bottom end response so its abit better to drive daily, b18cr you will be higher in the rev range.. some ppl dont like sitting at higher rpm when the cruising.
the gear box your talking about is from the 98 spec teggy if im not mistaken and yeah i hear its the best one to come out. gear ratios and the lsd are gear on that box. it really doesnt matter how high the rev range is if you dont drive it right you aint getting nothing out of those extra revs. besides why would you be on high revs when you driving daily tahizeg? lol u love trashing your car eh? :p
due to the different final drives.Quote:
Originally Posted by night_wolf
lol im referring to sitting at 3 500rpm at 100km/h on 5th gear
that puts some ppl off
is it bang for your buck driving an eg5 worth 7G and someone next to you in a 4wd 2l turbo wrx worth 7-9g preety sure the wrx will leave ur white ass behindQuote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
is it bang for your buck driving a fwd honda lol
dont get me wrong i love hondas i love na power..and i drive an egggg yoooo
where would u get a wrx for 7-9 k u moronQuote:
Originally Posted by 4age8u
were not in nz prices mate
wrx 's still hold there value in australia u cant get any thing under 15k
even then its a shit 94-97 spec wrx with high ks and stuffed up motor
and even they are shit because of their age good for handling thats about it
i owned a wrx 99 with mods back when u were in nappies mate and they are all not what they are made out to be
so if u find a decent cond wrx for 7-9 k in brisbane
i will show u my YELLOW ASS for free
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Originally Posted by 90LAN
hey 4age8u, where can i get one of these 4wd 2l turbo wrx worth 7-9g??? does it have a chasis with it?
what are you on about ?Quote:
Originally Posted by 4age8u
oh my bad didnt fully grasp what your were saying. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by thaizeg
lol funny dude you are 4age8u. do you even know what an engine swap does for you and your ride?????????? think power to weight ratio idiot and you shall understand that the wrx stock is no match for the eg with engine swap!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 4age8u
Mr LAN explain to this poor boy how good an engine swap is as i belive you have undertaken similar projects. :thumbsup:
I picked up an JDM Integra halfcut with a B18C for $3500. I'm going to put it into my eg this weekend. I can't see the extra $3500 for a b18CR (around 15kw atw more) as being justifiable - but that is just me :-)
its not just the kws, its the torque thats the most important figure