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i have an f20c quite a stock engine but i'm not to sure if i wanna turbo it or keep it n/a and get imported the .7 stroker kit and get ITB's and whatnot put in.. does anyone have any info on the 2.7 f20c? its ment for racing but ima drive on road lol.. its probably better i keep it N/a as im still on my p plates.. another 4 years of having p plates stupid loss of licence laws lol :(
EITHER of these would be completely illegal for you, since there can be no performance modifications for P-platers.
lol asif they would know, if i keep it N/A i dont think they would notice and if they did i'd say look i bought it like this and its still a 4 cylinder kthx :) lol.
The Stroked high comp NA option would be insane!! the feeling of driving that would be amazing. I would assume the NA option would be a lot more expensive though. But then both options wouldn't be cheap. Keep it NA with quads and take it to the track!! Froth :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by F20C
how much money do you have?
1. You'd need an engineers certificate to even register your new capacity because your displacement would be increasing by more than 15%.Quote:
Originally Posted by F20C
2. Even if you 'just bought it like that' it would still be deemed illegal and they'd make you leave your car there on the road while you caught a cab home.
3. You would most likely lose your license for it AGAIN, which would make the penalty even harsher.
4. Unless you're Mr Moneybags and you intend to keep it as strictly a weekend/track only thing, stroking it to 2.7L isn't viable.
money isnt an issue just time i guess..
some good points you have there geeang but i have mates who just say i bought it like this rah rah cause they end up getting their rego saying the car is still a stock n/a or something cops check it up dont bother checking the engine.. and honestly i doubt many cops know what their looking at i had my engine checked and the officer asked if my pod filter was a turbo i was balling my eyes out of laughter lol. other then that no other officer has ever checked my engine they ask if its turbo check my vin number thingy and they said its all sweet but yeah i could possibly get dicked but meh lol.. its only 3 demerit points i go on a contract anyway so the penalty isnt harsher one bit.. unless im caught speeding again.
i was thinking keeping it a daily driven car but i guess i'd have more problems with a 2.7l wouldnt i? having driven it everyday doing x amount of km/s..
oh and i can get around engineers certificates lol. so that isnt an issue.. mate needed one for his 6.9L monaro gen 3 thing i dunno what it is im not too into holdens but yeah got around it lol.
stroke that shizz bro
stroke it up !!
inlinepro.com has all sorts of stroker kits up to 2.7L.
Briancrower.com has 2.47L stroker kits.
I'd go the BC kit, as the price is great!
http://www.cimotorsports.net/motor-s...nda-s2000.html
https://www.injectedperformance.com/...t.aspx?ID=7880
Wish I was a P Plater with a S2000, & a stroker kit....
Lucki kids these days.... rich parents???
go and check out www.full-race.com
for their extensive range of turbo charging........................u knwo u want to.........
Either way, I would definately go the Turbo route. Much more flexibility and room for upgrading, and unlike stroking it to 2.7L, it's much easier to return a Turbo'ed engine back to stock.
Sif you want to... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by geeang
I wouldn't recommend either as a daily. But Building the turbo kit with very high quality products would at least give it some life and fuel economy when babied.Quote:
Originally Posted by F20C
if you get pulled over, how is the cop going to knoe the car is 2.7 litre? unless you go to the RTA and change it with them, which will be just diggin ur own grave.
Unless you dodgy the car for the rest of your life, and intend on selling it on dodgily, the capacity must be stated on the Rego (which means it needs to be blue-slipped/engineered).Quote:
Originally Posted by GSi_PSi
If it looks the same from the extirior (engine-wise) you will hardly ever have any problems. If you simply increased the stroke/bore and sold it, the owner will most likey think it is just a well preserved car.Quote:
Originally Posted by geeang
A mate of mine bought a HQ Monaro to restore. Rego sticker said it was a 5L engine and it sold without hassles. After driving it around abit, he was suspicious of how it still made alot of power even considering its age. When they stripped the block and took some measurements, it turned out to be a 5.4L donk and had a very lumpy cam. They put it together again and recently sold the car. Because of the new flashy paint and new exhaust setup it did attract quite alot of police attention (main reason he sold it). Nobody ever assumed it was stroked/bored out and im 100% will stay registered as a 5L for the rest of its life.
While it is illegal, you must remeber that you are innocent until proven guilty. For them to charge you for false information, it would require them to strip down the block and take the measurements. To do this they would require a warrant and in the case that they are infact wrong, reimburse the owner (i think.. not sure). This makes it too expensive and risky. They will most likely get you to take an EPA test and other things, and charge you with that rather than proving you've failed to provide correct information.
The rule of engine capacity increase is directed at a engine conversion point of view as this is FAR more common than boring/stroking an engine.
There is only one 'real' risk with not stating the correct capacity of the car, Insurance. It is very likely that if your boring/stroking out a car it will be worth a large(-ish) sum of money. The insurance company will try to avoid paying you out any how they know if it comes to an accident (bad phrasing, they arent all bastards :P)
Now to get t the question at hand.... Driving either of those on a daily basis will be quite 'interesting' but i belive that the turbo set up would work better on the streets. My reasoning is that you simply dont need to hit boost and you have no problems =]
Now compare that to a stroke/bore increase. You would probably buy new cams for it, and if your doing that might aswell get rid of vtec and make it more reliable. Problem with that is, you wont be able to drive it at low revs without it being very akward, but rev higher up and you would feel something speshial :>
his p plater cant drive turbo. Well he can do his work on it , and when he sells it , takes the effort to fix it up with rta ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chernoby1
Thats the thing with stroking the car and not registering the change, and then selling the car to someone else.
Once they find out, they can sue you for false advertising, in which case you would have to take back the car AND pay them back the full sum they paid, on top of that they will be able to sue you for the time lost on buying this car with illegal modifications.
But case in hand, turbo is not an option since it's a P-plater driving.
Only real option would be illegally stroking the car to 2.7l and illegally having it registered without notification.
So pretty much asking how to do something illegal on a public forum, explaining how you would illegally avoid registering the change on a public forum, and explaining how little you care if a cop pulls you over with illegal modifications on a public forum.
Real smart lads ;)
imo learn to drive then turbo it when you get off your P's
hmm, NA, NA, NA stroke that badboy!! I wish money wasn't option for me to!!
What are you after?
Peak power, or torque?
For peak power i'd go the turbo route..
Either way you'll prolly end up saying hi to a telegraph pole. Remember there are reasons why they dont allow P platers behind the wheel of certain cars.
yes i know they dont let p platers behind certain cars.. but the "certain cars" mightent have anywhere near the same power as an s2000 has.. so i kind of think its bogus. and yes i would say hi to a telegraph pole if i was stupid enough to drag in idiotic places lol.. theres a time and place for it.. and yeah im leaning towards having it N/A and when im off my p's turbo an nsx :)
You didnt answer my question..Quote:
Originally Posted by F20C
Peak power, or torque?
Because a 2.7l stroker kit wont give you a ridiculous amount of final power output.
A turbo kit + a few grand will.
im looking for low end torque with a gain of power not something ridiculas..
If you want low end torque, you need a turbo. Simple as that.
Have a look at the dyno charts! Stroker kit is truely awesome. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chernoby1
or stroker kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ludecrs
Learn to drive the car first!
Then Sell it
The money you were going to spend + S2000 sale proceeds = Heavily modified R34 GTR that will eat any lil s2000,v8,turbo,v-tech,NSX,ferrari,porsche wateva!
Think Smart, heaps of aftermarket support, heaps of workshop support, cheaper parts, make more of an impression!!!
But still more importantly, as a P plater LEARN TO DRIVE you douche!
from what i've heard, lhd s2k kits, don't fit very well on rhd vechiles. as the braker booster and what not is on the same side as the turbo on our cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by IEVAQ8
my mate dont have a problem and is running a full-race kit.........
btw...........what is it with everyone and telling this owner to learn how to drive.........???
leave him alone and let him spend his money on his car..........we have all been p-platers once.....and its not learn how to drive, its being sensible and understanding ur limits..............
*shrugs*Quote:
Originally Posted by IEVAQ8
i heard this from 2 people.
1 fabricator, and one guy that bought a kit from the US.
but i guess it all depends what kit you get i guess.
^^^^true..........
go turbo!
spotted you a few times @ lygon.
notties is where its at :P
I agree, I know plenty of people who started learning to paddock bash shit boxes, or drive go karts from the time they were about six. So when they were p-platers they had way more driving skills than most open liscence holders. As for the stroker vs turbo thing, i'd go the stroker. The engine response would be phenominal! and as a result the driving experience would be amazing. Only concern would be that if it was insured as a 2l and written off, and the insurance company discovered 2.7l, it would leave you very out of pocketQuote:
Originally Posted by IEVAQ8
i understand about the the insurance company finding out about the 2.7l which is why its epicly risky.. and thanks tom i couldnt of said it better myself. come say hi next time if you see me mike im usually there a few days a week :p
and i wouldnt sell my S2000 for a skyline, their way to common i have a saying, the WRX and SKYLINE are as common as the VL turbo these days.. well not so much a saying lol. just a fact :P
and yeah i have a mate with an s2000 interstate who had a turbo s2k, he then sold the engine to another mate of mine in melbourne for his s2000 ( which is a show car now ) and apparently there isnt a problem with the fitting..
i understand about the the insurance company finding out about the 2.7l which is why its epicly risky.. and thanks tom i couldnt of said it better myself. come say hi next time if you see me mike im usually there a few days a week :p
and i wouldnt sell my S2000 for a skyline, their way to common i have a saying, the WRX and SKYLINE are as common as the VL turbo these days.. well not so much a saying lol. just a fact :P
and yeah i have a mate with an s2000 interstate who had a turbo s2k, he then sold the engine to another mate of mine in melbourne for his s2000 ( which is a show car now ) and apparently there isnt a problem with the fitting..
either way n/a or turbo, big big $$$. Cheaper option would be 1JZ, monster torque and you can easily and reliably get more hp than the f20c ever would. They fit easily and it would be different.
a 1JZ? why not a 2JZ lol :p
issue is more the engineering side of it. 3.0l+turbo=nightmare, although it's been done in the states. i believe 900+ hp. Cool but pointless.
Will do bro :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by F20C
how about u just save ur money and leave the car stock, or u could do some sussy mods at least before u apply more power and torque
stroke it and turbo it!
Dont forget a small Supercharger tooooooo! Twin Charge FTW!Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECMACHINE
I guess it would be a tuning nightmare though lol
lmao, woo best of all worlds, VTEC, a supercharger and turbo. haha.
ROFL! ok while im at it i'll buy everyone on the forums an NSX R :D woo. if you want t37's i can get them for about 1500 or 1600 i think it was.. 18 inchs woo lol... if my mate has any left that is lol.
Can you pm your mates details?
how does a p plater get this kind of $$ lol its beyond me :P i had a laser tx3 for my p plate car, that was a fun shit box.
As for your problem i believe your only bet is a stroker kit, a turbo will attract way too much attention because by the sounds of this forum you will be wanting some reasonably high boost? Which will attract so much attention to you,atleast with a stroker kit you can "hide" it sorta... :P s2000s are semi-rare so not many people really know what there performance is like.
As for alternate options, not sure if your allowed rotary but why not a rx-8 if you are?? If i was buying a N/A car but it would have to be s2000, integra/civic type R or a megane 225 sport or a 207 gti.. all have good mod abilities and are already really quick stock...
But thankfully WA don't have these laws and im off my p plates :)
ahah yeh i agree s2000 is hotter and more effiecient.. and cheaper to run :P was the rx8 manual/ trying??:P Just thought a sequantial turbo kit would be best for you if you want all round power... like the 2 jz twin turbo, one big turbo one small one.. small one runs at lower rpm and big one takes over when it spools.. POWWEEERRR!
the guy never said he was speeding.. it isnt illegal to race each other on the streets aslong as its within limits :P
F-20c why not do easier mods? injectors headers intake exhaust etc... that is if you havent already.. i mean the power won't be as much as turbo or stroker kit.. but cheaper and legal..
1. It IS illegal to 'race' on the street no matter what speed you're doing (it's classified as dangerous driving).Quote:
Originally Posted by gmonkey
2. injectors/headers/intake/exhaust are not 'cheaper and legal' because they're performance modifications regardless (which are illegal for P-platers).
Probably shouldn't be dishing out advice before you know the facts.
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Originally Posted by geeang
1. Laws are diff here in WA, worst cops will do here is conviscate your car for 48 hours.
2. pretty sure injectors are easier to hide on inspections and also wont screw up his insurance inwhich he is really worried about...
probably shouldn't comment before dishing out suggestions ey.. the guy don't really seem to care for p-plate enforcements..
Either way your post is completely contradicting yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmonkey
I'd rather not get caught at all than risk having my car confiscated and searched with a magnifying glass.
And you suggested mods that you state are legal, and then you go and say they're easier to hide.
I don't know if you've ever been in a crash where a car is written off and you have to deal with insurance, but most insurance assessors will go through your wreck with a fine comb (if you're the cause) to find ANY excuse to not payout for the damages.
You can go "race under the speed limit" all you like but do it in front of the cops and we'll see who laughs last, plus I doubt you'd be so smug if/when you cause a car accident and someone dies. :thumbdwn:
never caused/been in an accident purely cause i know my own limits, and i know not to do it in built up area..
read complete forum before commenting in future to see what they thread owner wants/believes in..
FYI, if you actually read through the thread then you'd see I have responded to the OP very early on. It's a public forum, you suggest or ask about illegal things, then expect brash replies.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmonkey
Either way, you've been proven wrong about your posts, so there's no real point continuing to make ridiculous posts.
You just don't grasp the fact man.. he is aware its illegal and appears not to be swayed from modding.. the thread is suggestions/oppinions/ideas for him to do. He has stated he is aware of the consequences.. so to rain on your parade all i've been doing is offering suggestions/opinions/ideas, which is what the OP asked about...
Not everyone in the world is a goody goody two shoes man, he asked for peoples ideas, not criticism about how stupid it would be, again he is aware of it... if you have no progressive posts, dont post, simple as that.
Not only are we 'raining on his parade' for wanting to do something illegal and potentially stupid, but we're also protecting his interests on PUBLIC forum where Police are KNOWN to browse.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmonkey
Posting up a thread on how to do illegal mods, how to avoid legal registration, how to avoid police and insurance companies, on a public forum, and making posts to help him do such a thing?
Not exactly the smartest idea buddy...
has he ever devulged who he is?? let them browse.. needle in a hay stack man.. and this is all talk at this stage there is no confirmation of any modding happening its just ideas at this stage.. there is no laws being broken/ able to be enforced on this thread. so lets just let it be and let him discuss what he wants to be discussed... in the end its his decision
i strongly agree with gmonkey..
and we had 3 people on stkilda rd drag to 60 for a laugh and got pulled over and you know what the cop said "if you kept going we would give you all a fine" all they did was say be careful and took our drivers licence to see if we had licences etc etc. and the whole drag racing thing, i've never been in an accident i know my own limits. and i've never caused an accident. oh and on that note, i barely ever go "over the limit" now days as i've already lost my licence dont want it to happen again. but in any case i know many cops who dont care aslong as your not over the limit. from personal experience anyway.
and realistcally isnt changing your exhaust somewhat modifying your engine? as headers are connected to it and so on? so really there is no way to do anything to your car without making it "illegal" and im sure many of you on your p plates have changed your exhaust.
and gmonkey i wanna upgrade my my intake system.. just see what i can do and so on before i make a decision. i might take your ideas and put good use to them they never really came to mind lol.
Im sure you like me would be surprised if these mods regardless of his choice ever eventuate,Quote:
the cause) to find ANY excuse to not payout for the damages.
You can go "race under the speed limit" all you like but do it in front of the cops and we'll see who laughs last, plus I doubt you'd be so smug if/when you cause a car accident and someone dies. :thumbdwn:
Good luck to you if your parents can afford it would be an incredible car. :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: Geeang for being so persistant. Racing on the street is very freaking stupid!!
You will never learn your limits on the street. Firstly it's plain stupid. Secondly, if those are your so called "limits", i'm pretty sure you will be pretty slow. The race track is the only place where you will be able to actually drive 100% and LEARN things... like your cars limit, and more importantly YOUR own limit.
Stupid P-platers, think they are so damn awesome... you guys really need to chill the eff out!
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Originally Posted by gmonkey
Not exactly true. All Police have to do is ask a moderator on this forum for their IP address. Then they go to their ISP, and track you down. It's actually quite very easy. Then Police will have to his house, and knock on door... unless his parents breed like rabbits, there will only be 1, maybe 2 male p-platers living in the house. Not hard.
All I can say is that we don't allow street racing posts because we don't want members to get in trouble. If cops do contact Ozhonda for the IP address of the poster, we will have to give it to them as we have no excuse to withhold information.
which is all fair enough, no one ever said i dont have a dynamic ip address? lol. and i dont think im "so awsome" VTECMACHINE i never think im awsome for doing anything like that. Its fun end of story. Not once have i ever done it to impress people. and even if cops did come to my house what are they going to say "yeah we're impounding your car for saying you drag race and what not on ozhonda forums we have no visual evidence rah rah rah" for all of you know i could be lying and i could drive extreamly slow.
and euro08 the money is comming out of my pocket. it all comes down to when i want to do it. and when i actually get my demerit points back. if you didnt know i bought the car myself.
i love you f20c lol.. just got to laugh at the bunch of goody goodies who dont understand what an OP really wants to know :P also i dont condone to street racing at all, im rather against it but i dont mind a thrash or two here and there.. and im not a p-plater vtecmachine and still have a few demerits to loose and i did used to do racing on the track.. well really of the track i did rally :P.
Aaronng i understand what you mean and i understand you got to do what you do, we wont talk about street racing on here if its illegal practices occuring..
I was going 80kmph (the speed limit) on the Old pac, with a few other Honda boys when a swat team of cops came out of nowhere and held us there for over an hour while they went through our entire cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by F20C
We wern't doing anything illigel, yet they still decided to be pricks.
If the OP is such a baller, then turbo the S2K. I doubt after reading this thread he has actually learnt anything about the differance between extra displacement and the turbo kit anyway.
Uggghhh, newb sub forum.
Perfect reason to why I rarely venture outside of the S2K / NSX, Appearance and Classifieds section.
All I'm going to say is to those P-platers that think they know their limits... LOL
Too all those that generalise, about p' platers can get f**d
Not all p platers speed, race and go super dooper fast in a school zone which is (max 40km/h).
Take it easy.
i agree hecktik its kinda funny how everyone puts all p platers in the same catagory of fools. i guess no one cares if they speed and their off their p plates. and if i didnt know my "limit" 02 i would of had many accidents by now. thank god i havent. i havent even had one.
u kno wats stupid.... he started this thread not 2 be had a go at... he wanted 2 know the best option in performance.. and he particularly said.. for the track... and then how did this p plate debate come up... if he wants 2 turbo his s2k even tho its against the law who cares... who here really followed every rule at school? live a little man.. i dunno anything bout this 2.7L engine but i still wreckon turbo it...
more potential after turbo is installed, lots of bolt on things 4 it
thanks moey, and yeah turbo does seem like the right way to go, but maybe wait sometime and see if anyone turbos a 2.7l if its possibly?
Sorry my bad. Male, Red P-platers between the ages of 17-20 mainly. That's not generalising... it's a known fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by hectik_7
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECMACHINE
All of them? EVERY single one yeah?
And your 6 months of driving experience has shown you all the things you can do in your car? From the sounds of what you're saying u get into a lot of close calls. That isn't something to brag about.Quote:
Originally Posted by F20C
Even ppl that have been driving for years can still have accidents but they at least have plenty of experience under their belt. Throw a P-plater in a few of these situations and I know they wont come out best off...
Back on topic though, tuning a stroked turbo f20c would be a nightmare. No tuner would want to touch it. There just isn't as much aftermarket support in Aus for the f20c compared to other honda engines. IMO stick to suspension/intake mods and turbo it when you get off your P's
Well every single one I see on the street trys to race me, or screams past me at a rediculous speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by hectik_7
Every red p-plater in that category that I know drive like idiots.
Heaps of P-platers drive modded cars too... they can't even just wait and obey the law?
Just wondering... how many speeding fines etc do you have?
Ok then,Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECMACHINE
How can you put down red p' platers, didn't you ever do the same?
I've been on my p's for about a year and half, and in that time I've copped one speeding fine.
Of course p-platers do that, i'm not saying they don't, but all im saying don't generalise, some of us have brains and think before act and KNOW our own limits. Other's don't.
My point is, not all of us act like dickheads on the road.
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Originally Posted by hectik_7
Actually no, I never did anything "hoonish" on the street, maybe bad decisions whilst driving etc.. but hey P plates are there for a reason - to learn.
So you've been caught speeding once, yet you speed all the time? :P
Pls explain how you know your limits. Have you done driver training courses, have you pushed yourself on a race track. I've driven on the race track quite a few times, and I am still learning my own, and my cars limits in different conditions and circumstances - and I will always continue to learn more.
Yet P-platers that have only been driving for a year or less and think they know everything, and they know their limits, and their cars limits.
And yes, not ALL of you act like dichheads on the street... but the majority do.
VTECMACHINE is right, it's a shit thing to generalise cause we've all been there, but it's still the truth.
And honestly, if you have actually 'discovered' your limit just driving on the street, you should probably be stuck with P's for a very very long time.