Hey guys, I am looking to purchase an 02-04 Integra Type R DC5 aus spec soon, and was wondering what you guys think of them.
Any info, hints, advice on the Type R's would be good.
Cheers, Micky.
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Hey guys, I am looking to purchase an 02-04 Integra Type R DC5 aus spec soon, and was wondering what you guys think of them.
Any info, hints, advice on the Type R's would be good.
Cheers, Micky.
hey mate just use the search function should get everything you need :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SHMIKO_S14A
I think they are good. But DC2R>DC5R.
Much more sexier than the older models in my opinion.
I just love em cos i have one. Beautiful interior, sleek look,
take one for a test drive.
the dc5r are much more modern that the dc2r but i personally love the dc2r more..
depends what you wanna go for.. power.. looks...
but overall type Rs are a good reliable powerful 4cyl cars
yeh i had the same dilema man, had to choose between a dc2r or dc5r. I liked the interior of the dc5r but then the dc2r looks way better outside in my opinion. It has a lot more raw to apparently. At the end of the day you cant go wrong with which ever one you get. Both are great cars.
dc5r.
my opinion for my first honda as a DC5R, I enjoy every drive and find excuses to just jump in and go for a spin!
Has the power and the sex appeal! I'd highly recommend it! But you won't regret either cars.
dc5r for sure!
Well that settles it. I'm going to start looking for a nice Blue DC5R and then put some 5Zigen Pro Racers on it :).
I had a DC5 Type S in the USA and loved it. Ran a 14.3@95mph with only a Injen Cold Air Intake, Yoko ES100's, and some poly motor mount inserts, dropped very slightly with a progress sport kit (very clean and functional drop) stock wheels. Sounds great but just take it is with her....very stable and it doesn't have that "rawness" of the DC2...so you could be going 100kms and it feels "cushy" like you are doing 50kms. I went sideways and did a bit of tail wagging/sliding the first day I took mine home as I was used to driving a honda accord 1994 and I felt more of the road in that car...anyway...good luck and enjoy whatever you buy.
i have done plenty of research on this and have found that stock vs stock the dc2r go harrder but with a bit of work to both the dc5r's k20 engine has more potential and goes harder after a bit of work done.
my mate has a dc5r black... very very nice... interior is beautiful.
im currently lookin for a dc2r but thats only because of my price limit lol
good luck tho
It'd be worth saving that bit extra for a DC5R.
There's a nice Blue one in Liverpool with very low k's and 2003/4 model? I would of been onto it but Blue wasn't my colour.
Yes, I am currently looking at the one in liverpool :). Very nice, low k's 2004 model.
Get the DC5 05-06 Type S, the K20Z1 engine spec is a lot closer to the JDM-spec Type R K20A such as the Camshafts, crankshafts, throttle body size, exhaust manifold diameter..etc. plus more tweaks on the suspension geometry, quicker Steering response, overall body rigidity, gearing ratio....
The Aust 1st generation DC5 "Type R" K20A2 is a watered-down version thats only suitable for Australian RON type fuel. The Type S has a lot more tuning potential, based on the JDM model and further refined for the Australian RON fuel
Get the Type S, its what the Type R should be in the first place, besides it revs higher than the Aust Type-R. Hardcore Honda enthusiast should know that, people are just fooling themselves getting the Aust. version Type R with a K20A2 engine instead of the K20A
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Originally Posted by EVLGTR
AUDM DC5R has the JDM Type R Chassis... were as the AUDM Type S doesn’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Your statement about the Type S having more tuning potential is total crap. Both cars have the same tuning potential, as has been proven time and time again.
Stock for stock both the cars are on par with each other. The Type S might have more power (An enormous 7kw), but it has more weight (Due to sunroof, sound deadening, airbags in the seats etc)... it also lacks an LSD. Also the K20z1 only has the exhaust cam of the K20a.
As has been discussed on this forum (And many others), both the cars are great, both the cars are going to react very similarly to engine mods. You just have to decide, do you want the boy racer look with Recaro's (Type R), or do you want the more subtle look with leather seats (Type S)
^ very good info... GET HIM BOYS!!! (I meant rep him for his informative post) =]
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Get the Type S, its what the Type R should be in the first place, besides it revs higher than the Aust Type-R. Hardcore Honda enthusiast should know that, people are just fooling themselves getting the Aust. version Type R with a K20A2 engine instead of the K20A
HAHAHAH, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
ZOMG what wheels are on your blue DC5, do want. Got anymore pics?Quote:
Originally Posted by tectalk
Joe dosn't use the forum anymore...
I've got him on MSN and Facebook so I'll have a chat to him and find out where they were.
They are either 18's or 19's. Looked AWESOME on the blue DC5R he had.
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Originally Posted by 45SET
Well said Robi.
Coming from an driver who has owned both (DC5S and DC5R) I have to say i prefer the DC5R, the DC5S was great but the leather seats just didnt do it for me..
that is all.
my vote goes to DC2R. this is the car that brought me into the "Type R" thing. it is perfect stock and with a little mod it's better than perfect lol.
i used to look down onto the AUDM DC5R becos we got the watered down version. however after driven a mild mod DC5R my mine has changed. they can be great cars and i love the interior better than the DC2R.
so personally i'd buy a DC2R over DC5R. however it's not easy to find one in mint condition so i wouldn't mind a DC5R and do a few mod to it and it'll be a great car as well.
Yer i just had to make that decison and went with the dc5
Good choice
That statement is bs EVLGTR...here's my perception of a DC5R. Firstly, DC2R or DC5R or DC5S here are both the watered down version (one is more watered down...watever...fact is they're both watered down from their japanese counterpart...so no point being biased saying one is newer or older, true type r/more raw/soft, looks better than the other...yeah watever...your mum...its a matter of our own biased opinion).Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Personally i've always liked the DC5R since it first came out, hence that is why i bought it ; looks good as what a sports car in its price range should look like, it has appeal, decent power, intended to serve a specific purpose. It may not be the fastest car but long story short; i enjoy driving 600+kms on a full tank even with occasional redline, i enjoy sitting in the recaros & looking at it from outside, i enjoy never having any problems since i bought it, i gotten use to the minimalistic interior - suits me just fine, i like the massive bootspace, i like the decently sized backseat, i enjoy the lack of police attention, i enjoy saying "its not that quick man, but it handles quite well", ohh and i enjoy chillin with the honda boys...good people...LOL
very good car as i have a blue one and a sexy blue interior...
...Looks like you dont really see whats beyond the Aus DC5R. Aust motoring reviewers and experts states the Type-S is superior to the Aus Type-R.Quote:
Originally Posted by 45SET
1: Recaro seats are heavier than the Type-S leather seats.
2: All Aust DC5 R's came with the optional A/C and audio.
3: Aus DC5R are limited to 7800 rpm redline whereas DC5S is at 8100 rpm
4: DC5S significantly have more body rigidity, hence the strut brace and the front and the rear crossmember due to the chassis being heavier (where its the same as the updated DC5R).
5: Gearing ratio of the TYPE-S are longer at the 4, 5 and 6 gears therefore its faster.
6: the Aust DC5R doesnt have the JDM exhaust camshaft.
7: Type S handles a lot better than the Aus DC5R due to body rigidity, steering response, Suspension geometry...etc.
8: LSD is used to reduce torque steer on an FF layout, a simple revised front "symmetrical" suspension geometry on the Type-S can also eliminate that or bump steer
...There are endless refinement to the Type S over the aust Type R. At the end of the day stock vs stock Type S is what the Aust Type R shouldve been in the first place. You guys are getting fooled by the badge and PLUS on the other hand the Aust DC5R is a run-of-the-mill version of the JDM DC5 Type R.
Just because its the badge "TYPE R" doesnt mean its the "real" TYPE-R, the TYPE-S is the closest thing to the REAL JDM Type-R...
I was going to get an Aust DC5 Type R but knowing it aint the real JDM spec then why try???....lmao
HAHAHAHA, sounds like you havent driven a Type S before and cant differentiate between the spec of the K20a and a K20a2Quote:
Originally Posted by sretocz
LOL i dont mean to stir the pot but I bet you guys are feeling a little delusioned knowing our K20A2 isnt the "same" as the K20a.....the reality is we've been ripped off 15 kw at the end of the day.
In my opinion, id rather the DC2 JDM Type R or the EP3 Type-R that we already have on our shores....
Both of our Aust DC5 Type R and Type S are one of the slowest amongst JDM Type-R series anyway so why argue over it... ROFL
LOLL It aint bs brother, im telling the truth and getting all my sources and facts from motoring reviewers and experts here in Australia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinyo
Its a fact that you guys own an Aus DC5R and DONT want to hear that its inferior to a DC5S and a lot more inferior to the JDM DC5R....LOL.
Dont get me wrong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
I have a DC5S and I love my car but how is it that the DC5S is superior to a DC5R?
What criteria are you basing this judgement on?
The only way a DC5S can be thought of as superior to a DC5R is on the street, it is more suitable for Australian roads.
Its more comforatble with leather seats, sound deadening and sunroof.
But this is where the added weight comes in.
DC5S is 1230kgs vs the DC5R 1170kgs (from www.redbook.com.au).
You would have to be delusional to think that Recaros are heavier than the leather seats of a DC5S.
The leather seats weigh a tonne compared to the Recaros.
Its true that the DC5S is more similar to the JDM DC5R gaining an extra 7kw through cams and larger exhaust diameter and what not.
But this advantage is lost when it is considerably heavier than the DC5R.
If anything, the DC5S has less tuning potential than the DC5R.
Most DC5S are not Kpro compatible. You need an 02-04 harness.
We are all aware that the JDM Type R has the better engine (K20a), that it has the Brembo brakes (Along with a few other suspension bits)... but that's about it. The AUDM DC5R still has the JDM chassis, still has the Recaro seats, still has the Type R body kit... it still even has the Type R badge and Red Honda badge…
The point of a car manufacturer building a new car is to improve it... so of course the face-lift Type S is going to have a few improvements over the preface-lift Type R. But once you start modifying suspension, sway bars, intake and exhaust... these changes start becoming marginal.
None of us Type R owners are kidding our selves. Have you thought that maybe the Type S was out of some people price range when they bought their Type R’s? I’ve owned mine for 4 years, and I know that when I bought my car the Type R was already a few grand more then I wanted to spend, and at that time the Type S was roughly 10k more then the Type R, and I’ve been more then happy with my "shit watered down" Type R for the last 4 years.
The 1170kgs figure is the Japanese figure meaning having no A/C, no Audio....etc....the actual figure is closer than you think to the Type-SQuote:
Originally Posted by DC5.Raven
Theres not a lot of difference in weight. The handling characteristic of the DC5S has improved over the DC5R...the susspension geometry, steering response, braking feel, chassis re-inforcement so that negates the thought of being a lesser car against the Aus DC5R on the track. The gearing ratio is also longer on the DC5S
LMAO @ redbook dont do justice in weighing of the car.....
its like me posting this: http://www.carbuddy.com.au/car/resea...7&tid=12466166 <-----1160kgs DC5S which is bs.
Weigh the Recaro seats and the Type-S seats and see for yourself:)
DC5S Less tuning potential??....You even said it so get an 02-04 Harness to answer your question..simple LOL
Not to mention, DC5S dont have the rear intrusion bar like type r's do :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by 45SET
At the end of the day, DC5S is still heavier. Its not the weight of the seats that matters, its the overall weight. And if you're so keen on less weight, then why not just strip the whole car? People will always have their different views on DC5R vs DC5S, but like 45SET stated, DC5S will obviously have improvements (why build a newer model if you're not going to improve it?). Though, at the end of the day, there is probably more S owners who wished they owned an R ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Here you have claimed that there is alot more tuning potential than the AUDM DC5R.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
How does it have more tuning potential when most of them are not compatible with Kpro on their own.
As opposed to DC5Rs, in which ALL are compatible with Kpro.
They both have almost identical tuning potential.
If you wanted to get technical then the DC5S does has less tuning potential due to the ECU's compatibility with Kpro.
You are one of these people who enforce that car x is better than car y. (In your case DC5S > DC5R)Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Both have advantages and disadvatages in their own right and people are entitled to their own opinion.
There is no absolute on which car is better.
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Originally Posted by acurabot
The point of the rear intrusion bar is for safety, if we're talking safety. The DC5S may or may not have it but the rear cross member is a lot rigid than the Aus DC5R, not to mention, there is a mid-chassis intrusion bar on the DC5S.
LMAO...Being heavy doesnt sacrifice performance at all you twit. In reality the Aus DC5R only around 30-40kg since its fully optioned
I suggest you go watch Best Motoring int.: Civic Type-R Returns
There you will see a heavier FD2 Type R weighing 80kgs more and only 5hp more beating the updated 06 Integra Type R on track and drag.....hmmm explain to me why is that?...perhaps something to do with handling?, chassis tuning?, gearing ratio?.....oh boy you got a lot to learn
Im trying to compare our own DC5S and DC5R in that sense of way if you understand
Yeah you're right there is probably more S owner who wished they owned a Type R (the real JDM R) but i dont why they would degrade to the Aus Type R.
It is also ironic how the Type R owners in aust wished they owned the real JDM R....rofl
What do you mean by "Most of them". Is there variations of other TYPE-S we dont know about??......theres only one S model here junior, the 05-06 Model.Quote:
Originally Posted by DC5.Raven
They are either compatible or NOT compatible, theres no "most...maybe's,... if's...or buts" therefore they are compatible with K-PRO as you said all u need is the 02-04 Harness
You have got to be kidding yourself if you think we're delusional thinking the DC5R is > all. Fact of the matter is you seem to think you know a lot more than most people that have actually owned the car, which makes you an "all talk no go, bs artist...i took it from expert sources youtube video, i wanted to import jdm dc5r but cant...followed by your LOLLOLLOL..." Why are you even laughing at every single post, it makes you look like an immature internet warrior trying to stir the pot. Good on you...you made some valid points about the type s...but realistically, you sound like a kid... and I am not your brother...Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
ROFL, so much for calling me a twit, because you can't even get your sentences correct. It's don't know* why not "i dont why". And I never said weight sacrifices performance, I was just stating that it's not the weight of the seats that matter, it's the car's overall weight that makes the differences - since you kept going on about comparing weights of the seats. Oh and by the way, all that FD2R vs DC5R is useless argument, we all know they got their differences and too many variables to compare! Sorry to burst your delusional bubble, but I'm sure more people will agree with me and against you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
tell it how it is Zinyo :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinyo
I don't know what issue you have with the AUDM DC5R EVLGTR but a lot of the junk you are spouting is just misinformed. A Type S is about as fast as an 02-04 Australian Type R around a circuit. It is also about as quick in a straight line. It is a more comfortable street car.
Many of the improvements you claim just don't exist. The only significant chassis change is the superior front strut brace on the Type S. The engine is superior but the only major changes are the exhaust cam, exhaust and the ECU tune. The car is significantly heavier. Also where is your evidence that no DC5Rs were ever delivered with no A/C in Australia? Surely someone ordered one.
both cars looks nice.......nd at the end of the day its the driver too not just the cars tat matters :D
I didn't know you were so anal about my misprints, maybe you can correct Honda Australia's and other motoring reviewers misprint that the S is a little better than the R it replaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by acurabot
If the FD2R vs Updated DC5R argument is so useless to you then why is that the heavier FD2R be faster than the DC2R?.....
Aust DC5S vs DC5R has as much variables to begin with as well?.
Im laughing at some of the post here coz some are avoiding the FACT... loll....its actually pretty fun to compare these two cars
LOL, im laughing coz you sound pretty serious. These valid points are called facts kiddo and no im not kidding myself or the others that our DC5R is a run-down version of the JDM DC5R....care for me to prove that?, yeah i thought so. rolf.... we dont live in a fantasy world you knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Zinyo
@ 45SET LMAO!!!, nice *.gif, it does look pretty entertaining doesnt it. arguing amongst our little ricer group....i dont mean to offend anyone but if you're offended and feeling a little cringed (you know who you are) then build a bridge and get over it
Now be honest... are you trolling this thread?
You're laughing because im making serious neutral statements?? This is how i usually write. i dont bs and go round in circles like a fanboy...and because im not "lol" ing...Mature up a little dude =]Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Read the Changes to 2004-2005 section and go figure....Quote:
Originally Posted by chargeR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Integra_DC5
....yeah, not a lot of changes mate. LOL
I dont bs either, you and i know our DC5R isnt the JDM DC5R...agree?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinyo
wow, have a look at wiki i posted about DC5R...the first paragraph of the intro actually states our '04 R is very similar to the '04 S in the US....you learn something everyday. For the record, this is how i write, im being honest and telling the truth. How much fact do you want me to post?.....like i said BRO get over it. lol
i would get the dc5r, better engine, more comfortable, better interior. either way you cant go wrong cause the dc2r is awesome too.
Haha, it's okay if your only defense is to compare FD2's against everything else. It's okay if your defense is to call me a twit and say I'm anal because you know you couldn't argue against me. Like I've said over and over again kido, I never said weight sacrificed performance. Go ahead and quote me if i did say that. I think you also need to build a bridge between handlings things like a kid and a mature adult and get over it too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
It's funny because obviously you don't know what you're reading. The reason our R is similar to the S in the US is because the US call the DC5 Type R a RSX Type S so obviously, not much differences between the two. I guess you do learn something new everyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
TRUE!!...and that charlie brown is the 04 RSX-S (our DC5R 02-04) has the same engine output of 197.1hp.Quote:
Originally Posted by acurabot
whereas the updated 06 RSX-S (our DC5S) has 206.5hp
Check mate....yep not much difference hey?, i guess i did learn. LOL
See, you still wont answer my question..... its just hilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by acurabot
I may not argue directly against you but you cant argue to the fact our DC5R isnt the JDM DC5R :)
My only defense isnt just comparing the FD2R to the new DC5R....i can show you another video of the JDM 1st gen DC5R against the 2nd gen DC5R as well if you like :D
You'd be shocked...lol
Was I comparing our DC5R and S? No, I was comparing our R and their S. Do as you said yourself and get over it. I said that there was differences between our 04 DC5R and the 04 RSXS, not our R and our S so I don't know where you're making your point in reference to the point I made. And I'm glad your educated enough to be able to read :thumbsup: it was fun having this discussion with you kido :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Oh excuses excuses, now we're comparing our DC5. Maybe you're the one needing to go to middle school and learn how to read. It states "However, the "Type R" sold in Oceania is very similar to the "Type-S" sold in North America".....and you're saying there was differences?...give me a break junior, they're VERY SIMILAR....look up the dictionary and read the meaning of the words VERY & SIMILAR. Once again you're still in checkQuote:
Originally Posted by acurabot
Similarities end at the engine, suspension and brakes… Which is also the same as the preface-lift JDM Type S.
Exterior, chassis and interior is JDM DC5R.
of cos our DC5R is different to their Type S. we have recaro and momo etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Yes you're right, then again, it ends there for our DC5R as it got replaced by the updated DC5S exterior, chassis and suspension.Quote:
Originally Posted by 45SET
last time i checked, similar doesnt mean identical so obviously there are some differences.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Then that was replaced by the FN2R...Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
So does that mean that we should all sell our inferior "DC5R" and DC5S's and get FN2R's?
FN2 are only 1 kw and 1nM torque better than DC5R. Where did you get that info of being superior? Get your facts straightQuote:
Originally Posted by 45SET
I didnt say identical did i you dumbass LOL. Go hit the dictionary again and look for the meaning of VERY SIMILAR coz IDENTICAL is a different word you twat LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by acurabot
A couple of years ago Hondata did not release a version of Kpro specific to the DC5S.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Thus back then only some ECU's from DC5S's were compatible with Kpro. But you still needed the 02-04 harness.
If your ECU from a DC5S was not compatible with Kpro then in addition to the 02-04 harness you would also need a DC5R ECU.
Refer to these threads:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...=DC5S+ECU+Kpro
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...=DC5S+ECU+Kpro
There is no need for your condescending attitude.
Maybe you should check your facts before u start flaming people.
I especially like how you completely ignore the input from chargeR.
Double wishbone setups are over rated. My next mod is a torsion beam. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by 45SET
Now are you comparing the FN2R to the AUDM DC5R or JDM DC5R... and is that the pre-facelift of post-facelift DC5R?Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
I can actually see why the Europeans put a torsion beam in the FN2R (As the FN2R was designed and built in the UK for those playing at home).Quote:
Originally Posted by DC5.Raven
Quite a few other European hot hatch's (Renault Clio, Pugeot 206) run torsion beam rear ends... and I know the Renault Clio Sport Cup is considered to be one of the best performing N/A hatch backs in the world.
Tried my mates Clio Sport 172 actually. Not bad little cars. Quite surprised. Pretty sure it was running torsion beams at rear.
But thats beside the point of this thread.
You tell me, go back and re-read my whole post again.Quote:
Originally Posted by 45SET
LOL. Guys i dont wanna start trouble or anything but it is really upsetting to know that our DC5R isnt the real JDM R isnt it?....no wonder you guys are eager to dispute each post i wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by DC5.Raven
Anyway i will apologies but think about it. IT AINT THE REAL JDM and like i said get over it. end of story
Take a deep breath, relax and I hope that concludes it. lol
I have driven a JDM DC5R, an AUDM Type S and own an AUDM DC5R. The differences just aren't worth getting worked up over. It is not like comparing an Evo to a DC5R for example where the differences in engineering and the way they drive are like chalk and cheese. The cars are very similar, and if for example one wanted to build a very heavily modified track car it would make not one whit of difference which car you started with.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
LMAO, you're one funny guy! guess you always misread your facts aye. For the dumb people who misread things, the definition of similar doesn't mean identical. Oh yeah, my bad. I forgot about your mental capacity is equal to that of a chicken.Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
In case you didnt know the definition of "Identical" means Equal. "Similar" means much alike or having characteristic in common.Quote:
Originally Posted by acurabot
You were the dumbshit who said our DC5R is similar to the US RSX-S. If you back track and read what i wrote i mentioned the "updated" DC5S that we have therefore meaning the 05-06 RSX-S in the US.
And so that comes to our DC5R comparing against the 06 DC5S (05-06 RSX-S)......there IS NO similarity to those two, i think what you meant was the "similarity" between our 02-04 DC5R and the 02-04 RSX-S which is yes they are similar
ROFL @ your Hannah Montana insult "your mental capacity is equal to that of a chicken", nice one dipshit.
Tell me you guys, do you like driving you non-JDM Aust delivered DC5 Type-R's?.........just a simple yes and no question, im curious
yes :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
Another way i see the DC5R is that it had to live up to the DC2R's expectation unlike the DC5 Type-S was just on its own
Type R http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...eID=41742&vf=1
Type S http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...1&pg=2&IsPgd=0
The DC2 was modified with great passion from Honda as it became the Type-R model. The DC5 started fresh as a completely new car in 2002 but later on was refined further in 2005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7GDQ_kxnoY
enjoy.......
Nice Vid
Best Lap times
new DC5r 1'11"49 - 1'12"23
old DC5r 1'11"78 - 1'11"66
DC5S 1'17"32
i know it does not mean much but is that almost 6 sec
I dont watch Hannah Montana. Only girls do :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR