Theft prevention - wheels?

Hey guys, i've heard stories about people finding their cars sitting on bricks and stuff like that and i was just wondering if there's really anyway of preventing you're wheels getting stolen. Those nuts that you need the special slip on bolt bit (not sure what they are called) seem like the obvious solution but i've heard you can get master keys for them anyway.. :thumbdwn:
so is there really any way of stopping people from stealing your wheels apart from parking in a garage/having shit wheels that nobody wants :confused:
cheers

fill the hole with super glue

Get these lol

http://www.mcgard.com/prod_imgs/LockConeReg.jpg

but even if you get locknuts, your wheels can still get stolen if they snap off the bolt the locknut is attached too.

Alarm tilt sensor is a plus too.

lol if the blokes who are trying to steal the wheels are smart enough and want them that bad they will take them one way or another, just try your luck, but as flipfire said the alarm tilt sensor will help because theres no way they would stay if the alarm is going off

if your parking outside on the street, come as close to the gutter as possible , come in by full locking the wheel to the gutter, and get locknuts if you can

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Originally Posted by na-118

if your parking outside on the street, come as close to the gutter as possible , come in by full locking the wheel to the gutter, and get locknuts if you can

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never thought of that lawl

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Originally Posted by na-118

if your parking outside on the street, come as close to the gutter as possible , come in by full locking the wheel to the gutter, and get locknuts if you can

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what if they jack the car up higher than the gutter lol

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Originally Posted by ninzee

what if they jack the car up higher than the gutter lol

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it'll just be a huge pain to jack up the side of the car next to the gutter, there wont be enough room to fit a jack between the kerb and your car

they can jack up the other side then go underneath n jack the otherside up, like whats been said, if they want them bad enough, they'll take them

^ lol thieves dont use those little scissor jacks that come with the car. They take forever to use.

They just get the big hydraulic floor jacks and raise it from the front and then brick stands.

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Originally Posted by flipfire

^ lol thieves dont use those little jacks that come with the car. They take forever to use.

They just get the big hydraulic floor jacks and raise it from the front and then brick stands.

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lol I didnt mean oem jacks hahaha but true they jack it from the front lawl my bads

dunno why but I was thinking the smaller sized trolley jacks haha

Buy my work vs-ss wheels :).

These rims require special inverted lug nuts, as the stud hole is smaller than a normal rim. They also come stock with the addon that is required to remove the nuts.

Has anyone here actually got their rims stolen before?

i say if u dont want ur wheels stolen dont leave it out so they even get a chance. GARAGE IT, SECURED PARKING LOTS etc.

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Originally Posted by ekay1

Has anyone here actually got their rims stolen before?

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i'd say atleast a few people on here have or know someone who has..

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Originally Posted by DC4Integra98

Buy my work vs-ss wheels :).

These rims require special inverted lug nuts, as the stud hole is smaller than a normal rim. They also come stock with the addon that is required to remove the nuts.

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haha your shout?

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Originally Posted by ninzee

lol if the blokes who are trying to steal the wheels are smart enough and want them that bad they will take them one way or another

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it's a sad reality..

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Originally Posted by quangsuke

i say if u dont want ur wheels stolen dont leave it out so they even get a chance. GARAGE IT, SECURED PARKING LOTS etc.

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yeah..sadly it seems that way.


does anybody know what happens with insurance in this case? say if you had full comprehensive? i wouldn't imagine it'd be easy to get your money/replacement wheels

if they want the wheels they will take them, period.

and remember, the harder it is for them to get them off, the more damage to your car they are likely to cause

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Originally Posted by ninzee

what if they jack the car up higher than the gutter lol

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jack it higher good idea, but are they going to have everyones locknut?

unless you know who done it, would you pay whatever excess you pay for replacement wheels?

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Originally Posted by brandonek1

i'd say atleast a few people on here have or know someone who has..


haha your shout?


it's a sad reality..


yeah..sadly it seems that way.


does anybody know what happens with insurance in this case? say if you had full comprehensive? i wouldn't imagine it'd be easy to get your money/replacement wheels

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Get a good alarm system with a tilt sensor. Set it to 1 or 2 degree tilt. +lock nuts.

Thats your best bet.

Or if your baller, get hydraulic suspension and before you lock and leave your car... Slamm it on its **** so that way no jacks can fit under it it LOL

(make sure you have no rear tow hook access for them to use as a jacking point)

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Originally Posted by na-118

unless you know who done it, would you pay whatever excess you pay for replacement wheels?

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so i'd pretty much have to pay over $1k (since im p-plater) to get them back in that case?
that really sucks :thumbsdown:

Btw locknuts did save my shitty wheels once, not sure why they would wanna steal it but some idiot tried and couldnt undo the locknut (even i didnt have the key to it). My friends and i heard noises from my rear wheels late night at the carwash and turned out i was driving around with only 1 nut on the wheel, the locknut. Found the rest of the nuts lying around at my usual parking spot.

Even Bob Jane took like 30mins+ and $50 to get those locknuts out.

My last set of wheels used barrel nuts which needed a hex key because it sat in deep, and then i got locknuts with that retarded shaped key.

=get 2 dif lock nuts on each wheel LOL
=tilt sensor
=sslam your car :D so trolley jacks cant go under ahha

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Originally Posted by viinnh

=get 2 dif lock nuts on each wheel LOL

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haha that's not actually a bad idea...maybe even 4 per wheel XD.
it's already been said though, this would just slow them down a bit :/

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Originally Posted by flipfire

Get these lol

http://www.mcgard.com/prod_imgs/LockConeReg.jpg

but even if you get locknuts, your wheels can still get stolen if they snap off the bolt the locknut is attached too.

Alarm tilt sensor is a plus too.

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I had these at one stage, drove me nuts taking them off cos i lost the key

there are actually alarms where it goes off when ur cars locked and the wheels go off, ive seen it somewhere just dont remember

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Originally Posted by na-118

jack it higher good idea, but are they going to have everyones locknut?

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na c what they do is get a socket 1 or 2 sizes bigger and hammer it on so u cant get it off then just undo it, a cop told us when my m8s wheels got stolen, he also told us that they use spark plugs 2 break windows cause they dont make any noise lol it was like he was telling us how to steal shit

if i really really wanted your wheels and you had lock nuts. i'd just jack your whole car and take my time taking your wheels off in my front yard.

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Originally Posted by ninzee

na c what they do is get a socket 1 or 2 sizes bigger and hammer it on so u cant get it off then just undo it

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do you mean a socket 1 or 2 sizes smaller? :s
either way. i'm not sure that that's the option they would go for when they are trying to steal wheels late at night from the front of your house/mates house etc.

instead of dumping the car, make it sooo high that the jack isnt able to support the height ;)

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Originally Posted by brandonek1

do you mean a socket 1 or 2 sizes smaller? :s
either way. i'm not sure that that's the option they would go for when they are trying to steal wheels late at night from the front of your house/mates house etc.

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na bigger becasue the lock nut has a differnt pattern it gets stuck and wont come off, ull need to throw it away but its would be easy at night, just get ur tshirt and put it over the nut before u hit it, it still makes noise but it makes alot less

had mine stolen
was parked close to the gutter
had locknuts
had alarm
no point
woke up next morning car was on 4 jacks

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Originally Posted by rey2009

had mine stolen
was parked close to the gutter
had locknuts
had alarm
no point
woke up next morning car was on 4 jacks

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Lol wtf? When was this

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Originally Posted by rey2009

had mine stolen
was parked close to the gutter
had locknuts
had alarm
no point
woke up next morning car was on 4 jacks

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wow..... up on 4 jacks?? =\

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Originally Posted by ninzee

na c what they do is get a socket 1 or 2 sizes bigger and hammer it on so u cant get it off then just undo it, a cop told us when my m8s wheels got stolen, he also told us that they use spark plugs 2 break windows cause they dont make any noise lol it was like he was telling us how to steal shit

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LOL by the time they make all that noise. screaming out yallah boys, throw it in the van, some one would've woken to it or dogs barking

If your really that paranoid you could get an alarm system like what my cousin has..
You stand within 1/2 a metre without the remote the alarm begins to go spastic.. Wheels have a tilt sensor and touch sensor so as soon as they're touched the car goes spastic and all doors automatically lock if they haven't already done so.
If they try to jump start the car, automatic kill switch and immoboliser goes off and car remains stationary & doors lock you inside and there's no way out unless you have the key. Windows are solid so they aren't exactly your normal glass windows lol.
Btw this is on a 1955 Ford Pickup Muscle Car. Car & Wheels are all chipped so they can be located with GPS. Wheels are factory original and without them the car is incomplete and basically worth bugger all.
The alarm with all the features was $2000 and has so far landed 2 people in jail... lol...
Cop's asked him if they could use his car as bait and he said no, don't blame him lol.

But yeah, if you wanna go EXTREME that's how far you can go...
This is how far you should go if your car is your investment as old cars or "vintage" cars return money.

mate insure your rims END OF STORY No more scared. do what i did, bought my prelude for 10g spent about 1500 on wheels n tyres and then 3.5 on system but insured the car for 17.5 grand so if the worst happens i get the better ! and mate just get a alarm.

@ WATAJK, wow that chip wud be a awesome idea.. had thought about doin that.. but ur cuzzin actually did it :D

i have a viper alarm.. as soon as there a bump on my car.. my pager goes off on my key

cheap and affective.. good for hit and runs when ur car is parked

My old 2 way alarm worked for like 1-2km and even had vibration alert, but i still think its still easy to steal the wheels without setting off the alarm. Locknuts + Tilt sensor is the way to go.

or weld your wheels on lol

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Originally Posted by p3akin

i have a viper alarm.. as soon as there a bump on my car.. my pager goes off on my key

cheap and affective.. good for hit and runs when ur car is parked

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& you do know viper alarms are one of the easiest alarms to get around lol...

slam your car on airbags, rims will tuck in the guard and there is no way a jack is going to ever fit underneath :thumbsup:

^ theyll probably just steal the whole car lol

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Originally Posted by flipfire

^ theyll probably just steal the whole car lol

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get a detachable steering wheel lol, or just keep your car in your garage.

Best prevention is to have your car so low, that you cant fit a jack underneath. :)

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http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/y...wheel_lock.jpg

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/y...heel_Lock_.jpg

get a or all reversed studs. that way thier not loosening it .

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Originally Posted by WATAJK

& you do know viper alarms are one of the easiest alarms to get around lol...

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that's interesting aye i thought they were meant to be decent alarm systems. anymore info on what makes them easy to get around?

every alarm is easy to get aound if the thief is an auto electrician, or has a mate that is..
ive heard storys of where you just need to cut a wire or 2 n plug another ecu in and there goes your car.
i once purchased a donor car with an alarm in it but no remote, i wanted to start it to see how the engine was, my mate bypassed the alarm withing a minute!!! (with blackwires)
engine bay sirens are useless to, usualy 1 person pops the bonet and another cuts the siren, done in seconds which is nowhere near enough noise to make someone look out the window
what you need is aloud as siren inside your car, strapped under your dash so far in that theyt cant get to it, cant remove it and cant cut the wires to it.
that way, it would almost be imposible to sit in the car (doors closed to minimise outside noise) with an annoying loud as siren ringing rght next to your head while trying to figure out wtf or where it is

In 2008 Only about 7% of the cars stolen in Australia were fitted with an immobilizer... and the vast majority of car thefts aren't for profit nor planned... they are crimes of opportunity or a method to get from A to B (Joyride).

You CAN make a car "unstealable"... but... its a matter of how far you want to go... and how much time you have to spare to lock down your car and get it back running again.

I heard from a police officer that the majority of modern car thieves now break into homes and steal the keys to the car... far easier than getting around alarms/immobilizers.

What I would do if i was still into Modifying cars and had a car that meant a great deal to me...

- SMS Alarm with Seperate GPS Device (with NO warning stickers so they won't think to bring a signal jamming device)
- 3 Point Immobilization incorporated into the Alarm
- Minimum of two ISOLATED Kill Switches/LOCKS (Cylindrical Power Cut off switch using a key) (Fuel pump)... THESE MUST BE ISOLATED so you CANNOT get around them without finding them... ie. connect them straight to the ground of the fuel pump/Ignition.
- Install the siren behind the Quarter Panel with custom wiring
- Install it YOURSELF or by someone you trust. All black wiring and you MUST dismantle the entire interior to hide the Alarm Box/Unit out of reach without dismantling the entire dash.
- Hidden Battery (Boot/Lockbox) or locked boot (need Key, like an Accord Euro)
- Remove Tow Hooks (keep hidden in car) or install locks. (Industrial Strength) (Which in some states from memory is illegal but lets face it... if your going to these lengths... chances are you couldn't care less.)
- If possible run the Immobilization points from the engine bay through custom looms... don't hack at the lock cylinder or use wires plainly visible under the dash.
- Lock your keys in a safe inside the house.
- If your car was purchased modified or it is unique/sort after... consider changing the Ignition barrel lock at the very least.
- Locked garage/Live in a good neighborhood.
- Never discuss/disclose the details of your alarm system to anybody.
- Cage off the ECU&wires and/or Alarm Unit with welded cage/one way screws.
- When selling parts online/through media hide your car and other parts from the persons eyes... or meet at a neutral meeting point.

My mates Idea:
Install extremely high pitched Sirens inside. (The ones that cause ear bleeding if exposed to longer than a few seconds) have a switch outside the car to shutoff the internal siren's in an emergency..

My Final idea (albeit slightly over the top... not than any of these idea's aren't, lol)
- Buy a Smaller 12V battery from JayCar and hook it up through a reverse relay that connects to the alarm and battery... when the relay looses power (from the main battery)... it instantly will sent backup power to the entire alarm system. This must be done by someone with knowledge of basic electrical circuits otherwise you will have both going at once and will fry something.

With this although they won't be able to get away with your car... most likely you would of pissed them off a great deal... so they will most likely trash/vandalize your car.

Most thieves won't stay around after the first failure to get the car started... or if they can't shut off the siren quickly. (Thus why you hide it). Unless it's in a place they are 100% sure it won't attract attention, which is almost impossible unless they have towed it somewhere.

Stealth GPS tracking i think is the best idea... Find out where it is yourself and just go "Law Abiding Citizen" on their asses... LOL.

OR ALTERNATIVELY

Get insurance and deal with the fact that if you're into cars and modifying them... they are going to attract unwanted attention.

WoW that was a long rant... haha.

Rant(Alarms) return 0;

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Originally Posted by espionage85

every alarm is easy to get aound if the thief is an auto electrician, or has a mate that is..
ive heard storys of where you just need to cut a wire or 2 n plug another ecu in and there goes your car......................

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If you go by my ideas... then it doesn't matter how you bypass the ecu... your car will still be tracked and have no available fuel/ignition as the Kill Locks/Switches are completely isolated from the main electrical system. =-)

Also:
-Hide the alarm brain somewhere other than the drivers kick panel area. An alarm is only as good as its install
-Change dash and steering/barrel trim screws to security screws (harder to reach the standard honda immobilizer)
-Use a club lock to stop low level theives.
-Park wisely

but flatbed > all

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Originally Posted by pablos8

Lol wtf? When was this

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when i first bought the car year ago loll

All coems down to how much you wanna spend :)

To an extent... If you're handy/DIY'er... then it's more about how much time you have, lol.

Also to add to my previous list.

- Park in area's that have high foot/vehicle traffic.
- When parking; turn full lock towards the gutter and lock the steering wheel. (This will also make it harder to steal wheels).
- I still think the high pitched sirens inside the car is one of the most effective (and albeit hilarious) methods to deter thieves... especially when coupled with a Full Back-Up battery system for the alarm.

Install a camera aimed at your car at home that activates with movement then sounds an alarm in your room (or wherever) then go outside spin kick them in the face and scream "ROOOAAAD HOUSE"... now THAT will teach 'em! xD

If you have the money put a different lock nut on each wheel

different nuts on the wheels with keys from a few different countries, a dog, a shotgun, alarm... otherwise park in a secure place away from opportunist theives with time

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Originally Posted by Phased

To an extent... If you're handy/DIY'er... then it's more about how much time you have, lol.

Also to add to my previous list.

- Park in area's that have high foot/vehicle traffic.
- When parking; turn full lock towards the gutter and lock the steering wheel. (This will also make it harder to steal wheels).
- I still think the high pitched sirens inside the car is one of the most effective (and albeit hilarious) methods to deter thieves... especially when coupled with a Full Back-Up battery system for the alarm.

Install a camera aimed at your car at home that activates with movement then sounds an alarm in your room (or wherever) then go outside spin kick them in the face and scream "ROOOAAAD HOUSE"... now THAT will teach 'em! xD

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that camera is a nice idea

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Originally Posted by brandonek1

that's interesting aye i thought they were meant to be decent alarm systems. anymore info on what makes them easy to get around?

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People who make alarms and generally install them are generally people themselves who used to be thieves lol.
Just speaking the truth...

4 pieces of string on your wheels wired into your bedroom tied onto your toes while you sleep at night.