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Hey guys just wondering which D series engine is better or are the complete identical?
Just want to know because ebay sells a Blox Cam for civics but its made for a D16y8
will it fit onto a D16y1?
Also is it worth doing any mods to it? I.E cams..or turbo charging it etc
or is money better spent doing a DOHC V-tec?
Y8, has bigger manifold, is OBD2, newer, dip stick in better location, theres more but i cant remember lol
As far as which one is better, id say get the Y8, as its newer, despite it being a OBD2, in which u will need a OBD1 if ur goin Hondata ecu
Turbo the sucker, my mates EG5, with Y1 runs close to 100kw with stock exhaust, stock injectors, small as cooler and 5psi, so if he had upgraded all of those, he be making closer to 120kw, so much more than a B18c and B16A2
Keep na to B-series, bang for buck, B-series are more responsive to mods than any d-series.
hope this helps ya :D
IMO you should avoid N/A mods, but if you're passionate about it then go ahead. Otherwise turbo is your friend!
I did CAI and a header on my Y1. Did it cheap and enjoyed every moment of the DIY :)
Im planning on doing a mini me with a y1 head into a y4 block. Just going to port polish, new intake system, shave head and new bolts etc.
atm ive got 4-2-1 genie headers with 2.5 inch exhaust buddyclub so loud spec 3 exhaust .. changing the tip to a twin loop eventually.
Mate if your going for just abit of oomph, then do something similar to me. Since my car is a dd and i think too many people are doing B SERIES so B DIFFERENT lol :)
but of course B series is bang for your buck, if you wanna be different and all just go dturbo, JRSC if you can find one.
btw, just one question .. hows the crossover sound of a y1? or the kick at least in general?
Y1 and Y8, with intake is noticable, but not to the extent like a B16 where its like bbrrrrrrrrrrBBBBRRRRRRPPPPPPP
lol thanks mugen_ctr!
well im happy with my d engine, il do abit of stuff to it like the mods up above but alot of people are going for speed and stuff but you can only spend so much and gain so much.
its all about what you want, theres never a right or wrong with how you want to modify your car :)
I've had so many people that its stupid what im doing, your wasting money .. but money comes and goes and its all about what you prefer :) id rather be different!
mugen_ctr, with the mods im putting on, will i get over 100kw .. not atw, just kw :) im not doing it for big gains, anything is better than 88kw haha
they both have better gearbox than the other D series as well
jaces pretty much quoted my thoughts on the whole thing
personally i would go for y1 - the intake manifold and head design is better and it is an easier platform to work with
i would jump onto d-series.org and start reading man =)
get a bisimoto stage2 cam, skunk2 adjustable cam gear, cold air intake, headers + exhaust
with supporting clutch, flywheel, chassis + suspension mods u will have a nice little screamer there
lol yeah alot of b series guys will try and convince you to convert but hey, personal preferences.
TheSaint is a great example of a guy who worked with what he had, and no doubt is completely satisfied with his build!
you know why? because he learnt and now he knows what to do in the future if he were to get another car.
d-series.org is good, just careful for the sick dudes that will hammer you if you dont use the search bar ;)
to be honest, stock b16 turned me off, it felt exactly like my dseries with just an exhaust and headers. but meh, people spend so much for very little gains.
if you wanna ask questions, ask TheSaint about parts and abit of guidance :)
jaces is psychic - he keeps taking the words straight out of my mouth =p
oh yeah and if you get a cam - make sure you get a cam gear as well so you can dial it in
i love bisimoto parts - but the cam gear i got from them isnt very good (scrubs on everything and scratches really easy - hard to dial in)
aim for a skunk2 tuner series adjustable cam gear
Wow thanks guys never been on a forum where people actually help each other lol
Ive got basic mods is header back exhaust with figh flow cat and a cai car is slow
Considering I drove turbos previously but it's fun to drive tho
But maybe I'll stick with what I got now...I do wana get to a b16a or a b18c2 eventually
if your a honda new-comer i would get the B18c2 - much better platform for torque and power
i class the b16 as an advanced honda owners engine - because it takes alot of time and money to sap power out of the little sucker
that said its one of the most powerful engines of its size and class in the world =)
if you want some inspiration have a look at what i did with a D15b7 in my build thread
i already built a B18c and i got bored - so i tuned up the civic =p
lol by all means BuiEG! if you want to do an engine conversion then you can!
Just saying as a noob myself, dont let people convince you to do things you dont want to do :)
Just stick whatever your heart is telling you but hey you seem like your into your speed .. and you like turbo so torque .. hmm built b16 head with a b20 block ;)
haha my mate who im friends on here .. but has a new account .. ANYWAY has a b20 eg civic .. and my God .. it hammers .. like holding on to dear freaking life .. maybe because he had the whole ITB set up too. he takes on stock rexys and stock turbo cars easily.
But again .. its all going to cost you MONEY. D B K H V8 whatevz its going to cost dosh :)
no worries man, people help me so why cant I? :)
Hahaha TheSaint knows shi* so talk to him TRUST ME :)
To be honest man, u b lucky to even see 80kw atw (100kw at flywheel) with mods lol.... A turbo D16, using my mates one as example, made close to 100kw atw (so it be closer to 110-120kw at flywheel), only thing letting it down is the stock injectors, small cooler, stock exhaust, low boost, an thats it, other wise, he b hitting closer to 120kw easy, an with a b16, u b lucky to even hit that power with cams, headers an exhaust
Im running a Y8, with headers, cat back, custom cai airbox, an it does pull alot better topend, but over all, its still a simple shopping cart engine, u can fang all day long with out getting a speeding ticket :D
Prbs shouldnt compare cars on the street, but compare them on the track ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jaces13
Let the lap times tell the story, not the ppl :D
Oh of course!
just giving him a rough estimate im not bragging, sorry if it seemed that way :)
but yeah sounds like a good idea!
meh all motor d-series aren't the best platiform for speed but you can really reach the limits of it like what he said, without getting a speeding ticket!
haha i love accelerating to the speed limit :)
people with fast cars can never use the full potential of their car on the streets, unless they are over the speed limit by heaps!
the D16y8 is pretty much the type-r engine for D-series lolQuote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
if you want a shopping cart engine try a stock d15b7 =/
it is? lol, well i never really looked at that way, to me, D-series is cheap motor, that can take a beating, but not for performance but more so for everyday use :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSaint
im thinking about wacking on a jrsc to my d16 and its alrady turbo. mayb im fukd:angel:
Id love to put a JRSC! maybe when i learn more about my engine since im doing a mild N/A build and obviously when i have funds :)
i would prefer a JRSC D16y1/D16z6 or JRSC D16y8 over a B16a any day of the week =)
The problem with supercharger on a little D-16, is that it lacks the torque to pull the supercharger..... so much more to a supercharger than simpling slapping it on, put a belt on it and away u go lol
Bang for buck = Turbo
Unique = JRSC kit
From what i hear on d-series, there not the best supercharger kits around, but for the money, its also the cheapest.... And it also doesnt make the most power compared to turbo kit, if i recall, one guy only pulled off 200hp with the JRSC kit
I love the D-series. Such a darkhorse engine, much maligned. But you can have a lot of cheap fun with it, and when there's a will there's a way. The US guys go crazy with them in a way that Aussies never have.
Cam gear:
I was quoted $88 delivered for this in December. Might be less now with the dollar strength. Have heard great things about X3E Motorsports.
http://x3emotorsports.com/cart/index...roducts_id=199
the point of a S/C isnt peak power but drivability - if you want all out power get a turbo ... but than again - its a honda - if im gona turbo i would prefer a purpose built turbo carQuote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
and i dont know what kind of engine you have but my D15b7 has plenty of torque for a s/c
sounds like your very unhappy with your honda lol
u should probably try something like a wrx
Hmm Im getting heaps and heaps of mixed reviews fro
Alota peeps...I am currently leaning towards a b18c2 and. B16a box just coz there cheaper then type r setup.. Trying to work out a budget where I can have a good setup and have money for a respray..it's not always bout speed...like I said these little engines are fun to redline lol..love the vtec sound..just wouldn't mind a lil more torque..besides whats speed now days when there coppers and strikeforce taipan on your ass..I wouldn't mind tracking my eg in the future once my car is completed
strikeforce taipan? lol?
b18c2 is a good platform - lots of torque, lots of revs and good fuel economy =)
Lol operation taipan is like a Unit of coppers in nsw specifically set up to red sticker/defect every hoon with "apparent" modified cars...but cops can't tell difference between enthusiasts and a outright dik head...and if you don't own a pushrod with 8 cylinders with an exhaust loud enough to tear your clothes off, your not an enthusiasts so you don't get a free pass..you get a sticker that pretty much says your fked lol....by the way I read some of your build list...how does your car go with the mods? Is it as good as a STD b16a or a c2?
haha yeah - same attitude we get from the police around here ... sigh
the car runs great - doesnt go as hard as a B16a and no where near as well as a B18c2
nice bit of torque from mid-high, redlines at around 7200rpm - pretty much nothing down low tho lol
needs a tune - need to find out what its actually putting down at the wheels lol
What makes you say that the y1 and y8 have better accompanying boxes? I ran a D15 box on my D16 for quite a while and the shorter ratio's made it a much 'quicker' carQuote:
Originally Posted by TheSaint
I have a B16 box on my B18c2 - very good combinationQuote:
Originally Posted by BuiEG
the D16y8, D16z6/D16y1 and the JDM D15b engines all have the better ratios
http://hondaswap.com/reference-mater...n-specs-29132/
the stamping for the better ratios is S20 B000 for obd1 and S40 B000 for obd2
in saying that - the D16y5 also has S40 B000 stamp - but not the better ratios - so be careful
i have the JDM D15b S20 B000 box on my car and the ratios are fantastic
some of the JDM box's have factory LSD as well =)
y1 ratio's weren't as good as D15 ratio's however..Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSaint
very true - but still better than most
Running a Y8, i wouldnt say unhappy, but more so, if i had more money to build it up more, make it more powerful, handle better, than id be more satisfied with it.......... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheSaint
WRX, never really like the boxer motor, if i had the dough, would prbs go for a RWD turbo over AWD turbo
each to their own i guess - i much prefer the handling and stability of the awd and low centre of gravity engine over bigger powered RWD
but im more of a rally/dirt person than a street/drifter =)