HID Decisions CL9 New Member :)

Hey guys,

This is my first post in this forum! :)

Recently purchased a white 2006 Honda Accord Euro (think it's the equivalent to a non lux here in NZ) and I am keen to install some HIDs.

Have read through nearly all of the HID threads and it seems to be either they are great or they are really bad... so am finding it hard to make a decision.

Here's what I'm thinking at the moment:

1) Generic HID vs. branded HID kit, again, opinions seem to be split on this. Thinking about these two sets:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PHILIPS-H...item1c15433a33
or
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-377569228.htm

2) Experiences from people who have done HID conversions for non lux models. If pics are available that would be even better! This is what I really want to know.

3) What colour temperature you think is best? I'm thinking 4300k. Definitely want the HID look but vision and brightness are also important. 6000k is the highest I'd go because I wouldn't wanna loose anymore brightness.

4) HID kits vs Philips Crystal Vision (or similar) vs stock halogens (i.e. would I actually be worse off than the standard halogens in terms of brightness/vision?)

Any thoughts would be appreciated, especially from people who have converted :)

dont even think about paying over 1k for HID's. haha i think rough price is about 70-80 for the kit. i think 4300k is the standard on the Euro's so go for 6000k looks heaps better. i personally havent it done it to mine but mates with other cars have and it looks awesome. check this.. you can probably get it shipped to NZ. http://firesport.com.au/ultra-slim-h...--ad184732.htm

Whoops didn't highlight the end of the link,

The link is actually http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PHILIPS-H...ht_6934wt_1139 and they are $141.19 instead of over 1k lol.

Had a look at your link and they look good! Do you know if they are good quality?

i was going to say..haha what a rip!
yeah i'd say so. im pretty sure they're the one's my mates have gotten and so far had them in for about 5months and no problems.
I'd say they're your best option gives you great options and a lot for your money.
hook us up with trade rating if you like! :D
cheers

Thanks, I will post a review if i get them :)

I've got HID's in my car they work ok I guess I paid 80 dollars for mine quite an easy install except there is a headlight dust/moisture cover on the back of the light you will need to either remove or drill a hole in it to fit the cables through. To be honest with all the trouble i regret doing because from what ive heard phillips globes are really good and work perfectly fine.

I find in fog due to them being so bright they reflect alot more then normal globes. (I don't have fog lights)

But if your interested in them go for it there still a good light.

Ah thanks, exactly what I wanted to know! (people's experiences)

Because you drilled a whole (or left the cover off) has any moisture or dust built up in your headlight?

From what you have said I am seriously thinking about the Philips globes now as they are cheaper (on eBay) and way easier to install.

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Originally Posted by Kevl

Because you drilled a whole (or left the cover off) has any moisture or dust built up in your headlight?

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No more than usual. Drivers side nearly unroadworthy. Other side perfectly fine.

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Originally Posted by marquee

No more than usual. Drivers side nearly unroadworthy. Other side perfectly fine.

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Oh k thanks. Why is the drivers side nearly unroadworthy?

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Originally Posted by Kevl

Oh k thanks. Why is the drivers side nearly unroadworthy?

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From what i've heard it is a common problem with the accord euro drivers side headlight fogs up and gets crap inside it.

Im taking mine back soon and hope it gets replaced. But have to rip out my hid's and ensure its ok

The Philips kit is fake.
Pair of Genuine Philips D2C bulbs cost around $150 and this whole kit is $150 including shipping?
I dont' even think a Genuine philips kit that looks like that is produced anymore..
I'll do more research, so should you :)

Doesn't putting aftermarket HID's into your car make it unworthy anyway ;p.

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Originally Posted by Kaixen Xenon

The Philips kit is fake.
Pair of Genuine Philips D2C bulbs cost around $150 and this whole kit is $150 including shipping?
I dont' even think a Genuine philips kit that looks like that is produced anymore..
I'll do more research, so should you :)

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Oh now that you mention it, it does seem fake. I initially thought they were an older model (hence they are cheap) and since they are from Germany with lots of good feedback I didn't think about it.

Also I got it mixed up with another auction and I thought the link I posted had the authenticity codes but it doesn't which screams fake. Can the authenticity codes be faked?

Thanks for your help, how much would one of your Kaixen kits costs? (including shipping to NZ)

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Originally Posted by I CU2

Doesn't putting aftermarket HID's into your car make it unworthy anyway ;p.

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Yer it does but from what ive figured out the police dont really care to much. Harder to tell if our cars come with stock HID's just dont get any higher the 6k because it becomes alot more blue

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Originally Posted by Kevl

Oh now that you mention it, it does seem fake. I initially thought they were an older model (hence they are cheap) and since they are from Germany with lots of good feedback I didn't think about it.

Also I got it mixed up with another auction and I thought the link I posted had the authenticity codes but it doesn't which screams fake. Can the authenticity codes be faked?

Thanks for your help, how much would one of your Kaixen kits costs? (including shipping to NZ)

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Standard kits are $195 on special, including express posted within Australia
Shipping to NZ is just an additional $17
please check your pm.

I bought a 6000k HID set from DealExtreme about a year ago for $50... Haven't had a single issue with it - works well, police don't pay any attention to it, and it doesn't glare. I do a lot of nighttime highway driving and have never been flashed.

Don't see any reason to pay any more than this.

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Originally Posted by marquee

Yer it does but from what ive figured out the police dont really care to much. Harder to tell if our cars come with stock HID's just dont get any higher the 6k because it becomes alot more blue

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Yea it is illegal in NZ as well but police don't really stop people for them. However, not sure if you guys have something similar in Australia but we have to get our cars checked every year or 6 months depending on the age and many places will fail you if you have an HID kit which is a problem.

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Originally Posted by Kaixen Xenon

Standard kits are $195 on special, including express posted within Australia
Shipping to NZ is just an additional $17
please check your pm.

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Done

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Originally Posted by seanneko

I bought a 6000k HID set from DealExtreme about a year ago for $50... Haven't had a single issue with it - works well, police don't pay any attention to it, and it doesn't glare. I do a lot of nighttime highway driving and have never been flashed.

Don't see any reason to pay any more than this.

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Did you install yourself? Yea I would say a majority of people go for the cheaper kits.

What size bulb is it? H11 right?

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Originally Posted by I CU2

Doesn't putting aftermarket HID's into your car make it unworthy anyway ;p.

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Yep thats correct... unless you have Headlight Auto-Levels and Head light washers... your newly installed HIDs are not ADR Approved and your car is deemed to be unroadworthy...

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Originally Posted by stonx

What size bulb is it? H11 right?

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Isn't it H1?

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Originally Posted by Xplodin

Yep thats correct... unless you have Headlight Auto-Levels and Head light washers... your newly installed HIDs are not ADR Approved and your car is deemed to be unroadworthy...

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Don't need to have auto levelers in NZ but HIDs still illegal

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Originally Posted by Xplodin

Yep thats correct... unless you have Headlight Auto-Levels and Head light washers... your newly installed HIDs are not ADR Approved and your car is deemed to be unroadworthy...

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Even with the auto-levelers and washers installed with an aftermarket HID kit, the beam pattern would still be incorrect for HIDs, thus making them illegal in Aus.

A standard ECE (or ADR) halogen beam pattern looks like this (in LHD countries):
http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/attach...ge-resized.jpg

A standard ECE HID beam pattern looks like this (also LHD):
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_...0280_large.jpg

As you can see, the halogen beam pattern has the two 'ticks' which projects the light upwards, which could cause glare for other drivers coming towards on your right (in LHD countries), or left (in RHD countries). Whilst the glare is on the side of the road with no oncoming traffic, it could still be an issue when going round corners, etc. Since HIDs are a lot brighter than halogen bulbs (and hence glare is much more dangerous), they've restricted the amount of light that can be thrown upwards. Hence the 'ticks' in the halogen pattern have been replaced with 'steps' which throw less light upwards, and the horizontal cutoff line is lowered on the side with oncoming traffic.

Personally, the auto-levelling and head light washers do 2/5ths of f-all in terms of reducing glare - I believe that 90% of it is in the beam pattern! With that said, at least we have projector headlights on our cars, maintains a decent beam pattern when converting from halogen to HID, even if the change in filament/arc position on the bulb has shifted (which could result in other problems such as a narrow spread of light, etc.). On cars with reflector headlights, the beam pattern goes to absolute sh*t and winds up glaring everybody!

It may actually be possible to swap a HID projector into the halogen headlight without too much hassle and run D2S bulbs which would give you a correct beam pattern. However that's a lot of money and effort! Personally, if legality wasn't an issue, I'd throw in a H1 kit, aim the lights down a little and see how it goes.

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Originally Posted by Kevl

Ah thanks, exactly what I wanted to know! (people's experiences)

Because you drilled a whole (or left the cover off) has any moisture or dust built up in your headlight?

From what you have said I am seriously thinking about the Philips globes now as they are cheaper (on eBay) and way easier to install.

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I am using crystal vision (4300k) for my euro, its pretty okay but its no where as bright as a HID and not as bright as those with say philips vision plus (3500k) (claim to be 50% brighter then normal bulbs). If a car with either HID or a vision plus is beside/behind you, you wouldnt be able to see your own headlights anymore, but its still there as if you switch it off the whole road in front will be a lot darker. Resson is you dont see the day light spectrum of 4300k so easilly compare to the yellow throw of a 3500k spectrum.

I retain the highbeam as stock cause in a foggy condition, you wouldnt be able to see shit with the crystal vision headlight so the yellow 3500k will help you out.

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Originally Posted by tron07

I am using crystal vision (4300k) for my euro, its pretty okay but its no where as bright as a HID and not as bright as those with say philips vision plus (3500k) (claim to be 50% brighter then normal bulbs). If a car with either HID or a vision plus is beside/behind you, you wouldnt be able to see your own headlights anymore, but its still there as if you switch it off the whole road in front will be a lot darker. Resson is you dont see the day light spectrum of 4300k so easilly compare to the yellow throw of a 3500k spectrum.

I retain the highbeam as stock cause in a foggy condition, you wouldnt be able to see shit with the crystal vision headlight so the yellow 3500k will help you out.

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Oh ok, so the Philips Crystal Visions are significantly less bright than the stock globes?