what would be my next move in performance wise?

hey OH! i drive a honda eg5 vti with a jdm b16a. im currently running xforce 4-2-1 headers, xforce hiflow cat and xforce s12 twinloop muffler exhaust system and simota intake (whale penis). from the IHE i have gain some power. but its time for more! my friend recommended to get a type R 4.7FD LSD gearbox, as it will give a lot performance for any non lsd b series. and i do like the sound of that! but typeR gearbox are rare to pop up.. so my question is what performance can i do now while i wait for a typeR gearbox to pop up? i see people upgrade their cam shafts and cam gears to toda b spec, increase the size of their throttle body, even turbo! (but i dont wanna go turbo) and so on.. what is really the next step? thanks in advance.

Depends, what u want from it??? If u all out power, ur not startg with the best base, so turbo is the best option. O else everything you do from now on is gonna get real expensive and have minimal power gain

im not for all power.. its not all about the straight LOL. just a bit more. i want my car to stay for street.. but time to time take it to track.. i already got my handling mods. just want a tad more power.

I think all u got left is like cams, mebbe a comp and that about it other for a few little things. Everything else is $$$$

sorry bro.. i cant understand the middle section lol. yeah ill prob upgrade my cam n cam gears. then lsd gearbox and remap/tune it

full re-programmable ecu like power FC or Hondata s300 to make the most of the engine mods...... but thats in the 1k plus bracket...with tune around 1.5 - 2k

again same with port n polish head

have u upgraded clutch an to a lighter flywheel? lighter flywheel will give u more engine response in sacrificing lower end torque

as far as making more power, as said will need more dosh, an lots of it, think ITB's, Stroker kit, Blue printed engine, Engine swap?

you could put in a B20 block and make it a 2.0ltr

or cams, cam-gears, skunk2 intake manifold + hondata IM gasket, service the injectors, do clutch and flywheel, put in some bushings, better tyres, an ECU + tune ...

thanks guys! ive decided to go for ek9 cams with dc2r gearbox! thanks heaps

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Originally Posted by TheSaint

you could put in a B20 block and make it a 2.0ltr

or cams, cam-gears, skunk2 intake manifold + hondata IM gasket, service the injectors, do clutch and flywheel, put in some bushings, better tyres, an ECU + tune ...

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ye i think this is well said in the way that getting a b20 block can be somewat cheap and the fun you have piecing together for the conversion.
Keep the b16a head.
Golden eagle VTec conversion Kit
http://www.9ktuning.com/images/uploa.../b20%20kit.jpg

b20 bottom end
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5718/dsc033624tn.jpg

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Originally Posted by Snoop_gee

ye i think this is well said in the way that getting a b20 block can be somewat cheap and the fun you have piecing together for the conversion.
Keep the b16a head.
Golden eagle VTec conversion Kit
http://www.9ktuning.com/images/uploa.../b20%20kit.jpg

b20 bottom end
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5718/dsc033624tn.jpg

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thats a interesting b20 bottom end never seen b20 blocks like that before lol

i would also get a itr intake manifold with throttle body to get the best out of your cams
then a tune

ok! im actually considering the b20 vtec ! but dno much. some say all i need to buy the b20 vtec kit conversion and a b20 block and put it all together.. is it really that simple?

ITR Intake manifold and throttle body.
If you do get ek9 / itr cams , get type R valve springs too.

readin the b20vtec discussion thread atm!

ok! ive decided not to go b20vtec! its a great build no doubt about it! but it way too much for me. but yeah definitely decided on ek9 head + type R intake manifold and TB + type R lsd box. thanks all for your heap. much appreciated

i guess my next question is whats the better way to go with the ek9 head? replace the cams valve spring with ek9 ones? or just buy a ek9 head.

if you do the intake manifold i would recommend getting a hondata gasket as well - quality product that =)

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thats a interesting b20 bottom end never seen b20 blocks like that before lol

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lol your friggin sarcasm man hahahah

I think you're making the right decision pursuing the B20VTEC.

I built my B16A head with cam shafts/gears, valves, valve springs, retainers, port work, ITR throttle body/intake manifold, re-welded combustion chambers, angle-grind blah blah blah and to be honest I think I'd rather start with the B20 block next time. I've seen B20VTEC's with I/H/E making great power (around the 115kw mark usually) and the low-end power feels awesome.

Throw in a 4.7 gearbox and you're laughing.

Although IMO the mod with the best re-sell value would probably be the 4.7 GBox. Building your engine head with cams etc you'll never get any of your money back.

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I think you're making the right decision pursuing the B20VTEC.

I built my B16A head with cam shafts/gears, valves, valve springs, retainers, port work, ITR throttle body/intake manifold, re-welded combustion chambers, angle-grind blah blah blah and to be honest I think I'd rather start with the B20 block next time. I've seen B20VTEC's with I/H/E making great power (around the 115kw mark usually) and the low-end power feels awesome.

Throw in a 4.7 gearbox and you're laughing.

Although IMO the mod with the best re-sell value would probably be the 4.7 GBox. Building your engine head with cams etc you'll never get any of your money back.

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i think he said he's not bothering with b20

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Originally Posted by 90LAN

thats a interesting b20 bottom end never seen b20 blocks like that before lol

i would also get a itr intake manifold with throttle body to get the best out of your cams
then a tune

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GOLD!

yeah im not! haha! sorry to disappoint you guys !

ta misread

does he need a tune since his getting EK9 cams? if he does may aswell add in a hondata S300 while his getting it tuned lol

hey guys, its such a hard decision! i dno if i should get oem ek9r/dc2r cams... or aftermarket cams.. same with intake manifold and throttle.. to got dc2r oem or aftermarket.. but either way, im definitely going to get a hondata s300 to tune my car.

i was once told you may aswell add a little more money in for aftermarket cams, not too sure though

For cam shafts I wouldn't bother swapping them for another OEM option. Get an aftermarket cam shaft if you're going to 'upgrade' otherwise you're kind of just going halfway and it's not worth the coin IMO.

ITR TB/IM ported apparently produces some of the best power, and is certainly the best value. Personally it's my choice too.