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I have just completed a market research survey for Honda,and the last question was would I rather buy a new Eueo wagon,or a Odyssey,and why ???
Very interesting,they are obviously at least THINKING of launching the wagon.
Its about time too,as its a stunner.......
wooo about time, lets all do the reassearch ahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by antony
It was sent to all owners of Hondas 3 years old and younger,and I had to compare Euro to Ford Mondeo and Subary Liberty.
Other direct competitors,as listed by Honda were VW Jetta,Passat,Mazda 6,and Hyundai i45.
Last week at work we were told that... Honda were thinking of releasing it in Australia but the Honda austria board decided against it. Idiots. It would of done well in australia. :(
I meant Honda Australia. :)
But I only got the survey yestorday,so they must still be thinking about it...
I work for Honda and that's what they said at a meeting. . Maybe it's a rumor tho.
Time will tell I guess..
Can't see it happening. We've had diesel rumors for years too.
anyone got any pics of the CU2 wagon? the CL9 version was ok i guess :s
idk.. id prefer to see a slammed odyssey done up VIP style over a euro imho haha
i didnt really like the cl9 wagon, looks too skinny imoQuote:
Originally Posted by jzx_andy
but this is what i call a sexy wagon :)
http://cdn0.caradvice.com.au/wp-cont...ord-euro-1.jpg
that does look nice! reminds me of the audi wagons haha
nah the shap looks like the vw r35 not the lights and stuff but the shape does
haha....not a fan of the accord tourer wagon. fwd...would rather get a volvo wagon or a vw wagon...i hope we can get the diesal soon,
Does the deisel only come in manual?
We only have the petrol variant here in NZ. One example on Trademe:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-404166479.htm
As good as it looks I know the day I settle for a wagon is the day I'm officially am old carnt lol.
What about people in Nissan Stagas or Mitibushi Vr6's?Quote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
As good as the wagon sounds, it will do little to revive their current lineup
I agree. All this.news about a wagon. VW and the sirroco hyundai and there sport cars. Lol honda get some brainsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
yeah but what sports car does Honda have on their range? CRZ?? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by marquee
i have to say the euro wagon is nice but if it's similar priced to the Odyssey, i'd rather the Odyssey.
Thats my point. Instead of a new civic or a new nsx who r they for honda fanboys why not design a newcar that can appeal to the massesQuote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
that's what the FT86 is for. i have given up on Honda.Quote:
Originally Posted by marquee
I have given up also.
love Suzuki kizashi & vitara.
Looks good! CU2 sedan is too big - it looks bloated. But the wagon only looks a little bigger than the sedan and so it appears much better proportioned.
I would consider it depending on the engines available.
Amen...Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
The whole point of the Euro wagon would be to be able to compete with its comprtitors,who all offer a wagon...eg Mazda 6,Hyundai i40,VW Passat,Ford Mondeo,Skoda Octavia...
Yep! I been following this car extremely closely since the first concept car a few years ago. The only thing that will be a fail is the price Toyota sell it for here. It's meant to be an enthusiast cheap hero car, back to their grass roots. Around $30k would be sweet, too much more and it'll fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
I'm not as worried about pricing as much a performance.... Last thing we want is a coupe MX-5, ie lukewarm sportscarQuote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
the performance is there. Turbo would be perfect, but that's not happening..... Yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
Honda Australia has to weight up costs of bringing the Euro wagon in VS market share it will potentially take from direct competitors variants. The reason why they ask the customers first in survey form, at the same time as telling their employees they won't, is so that they can keep their cards close to the chest and find out if there is actually a possible market base for them to sell to. When I used to work for Subaru, national management would always tell us 'no' while they were weighing up options so that no misinformantion could be leaked to the masses
and in regards to FT-86. you will most likely find that Subaru will release the turbo version before Toyota, as it was Subaru who had design control over chassis & powertrain development
The Toyota is a lightweight, n/a stripper.
I'd expect the Subaru to be about 250kg heavier, it'll have heated electric seats, sat nav screen. All the luxo stuff, and be turbo.
I think you'll find there will never be a turbo version.Quote:
Originally Posted by stndrd
No turbo, and it's already confirmed Toyota got 2 spec of cars. A shitbox with nothing, and a loaded version.Quote:
Originally Posted by trism
I just hope they do release the wagon (probably won't have enough market share in Australia). I am tempted by the Hyundai i45. That has so much presence but not sure why Hyundai price it with such a premium now :|
EDIT: Oops I meant the i40! Nice looking wagon just priced above the i45!!!
Not sure if you're after a sedan or wagon: Hyundai have released the i40 wagon. i45 is only available as sedan in OZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by chunsa
I drove an i45 sedan recently. There is something not right about the steering feel. Otherwise, it felt gruntier than the Euro.
have a look at the Suzuki Kizashi. A decent car right there!Quote:
Originally Posted by chunsa
The new Hyundai's look pretty swish as well.
I50 I think it is.
Thr sedan is i45,wagon is i40.
Kizashi has been the biggest sales flop for Suzuki worldwide,a bit of a shame really,but it looks awkward from some angles...
I was referring to the i40 doh! My bad :(
If Honda doesn't lift its game up (kind of hard with so many natural disasters) I think Hyundai will over take Honda
Hope Honda considers giving Euro owners a trade in deal for wagon version if they decide to bring it in - very unlikely
That I did not know...Quote:
Originally Posted by antony
Yep, that is a shame, I thought it was a great car! Thought it would sell really well too! Maybe just a bit too far out of their usual market? Or too much good competition?
Yep, Honda sliding down hill......Quote:
Originally Posted by chunsa
On a side note, there will be a RHD genesis coupe! Could be interesting if we got it!
It's failed because the dealer network just isn't thereQuote:
Originally Posted by antony
Suzuki America has been developing a turbo & from memory, AWD version on the Kizashi that we could see in showrooms in the next year or two =]Quote:
Originally Posted by antony
Other requirement is traditional manual gearbox.Quote:
Originally Posted by stndrd
but yeah, would sell my current vehicles to get it if it does come out.
I thought it was here already? Scratch that, we got AWD just not turbo yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by stndrd
Also only available in CVT
it will never come out here not while we have the oddyssey
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Originally Posted by chunsa
Hyundai have already taken over Honda. Kia about to also
And VW methinksQuote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
VW is selling like hot cakes...
I wouldn't but a VW. They might have good engineering, but shitty build quality. A mate bought a brand new passat wagon, within a month, it had condensation in the headlights, rattles under the dash, and 2 broken switches.
That's bullshit.
Euro wagon or Stream or Toyota Wish or Caldina
Honda stream.... Direct injection VTEC k20B engine from 2003... They could've done a lot wih that setup... Alas no
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by trism
vw might seem good on the spec sheet
but they are unreliable as f*ck. look at their premature dsg gearbox failures on the golfs...
I don't think we'll get the Euro wagon in OZ. Honda OZ probably thinks that the Odyssey fits the bill. After all, it's really a station wagon and not a so called 'people mover'. North America gets a different version of the Odyssey (http://automobiles.honda.com/odyssey/) that is a people mover and not a station wagon.
True. Lots of mentions about this endemic problem with the DSG. Never gets a mention in the motoring magazines that continue to award VW with car of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryaan
As with Volvo, VW owners fit a certain 'look at me' profile. Not so with Euro owners that come from different backgrounds.
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Originally Posted by ryaan
If we are talking transmission failure records. Honda still holds the recall record on transmissions...
Annd their auto tranny drama is on going.
DSG failure rates are peanuts compared to the hondamatic failure rates.
Yep, you dont see many passats rolling hellaflush...Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
Just sayin...
our family has been driving VW for the last 10 years. A Passat, my GTI and a Tiguan. none of them have any problem except for the electric park brake on the Tiguan which was fixed after a quick trip to the dealer. we also have friends owning a few more Golf GTI, Polo GTI, Golf R32, Golf R, Golf diesel, 2 more Tiguans even a R50. there are manauls, DSGs, Tiptronics and none of us had any major issue. a few of my fd's cars are moded too.
i personally dont think there are many major quality issues with VWs. there will always be problems on some cars but it applies to every manufacturers.
I think the DSG problems get a lot of publicity because it is a severe issue and the cars get a lot of good rap otherwise.
A case of tall poppy syndrome?
no. Doesn't matter which car the DSG box is on, it'll have problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuboy
You only hear about the people who do have problem with DSG boxes so it's hard to get a fair idea just from reading on the internet.
Not for or against VW here, just thinking rationally.
Not just VW..... Evo's, GTR's, Fords.....Quote:
Originally Posted by chuboy
plus, the double cluch boxes are fcuked to use on the street. Ever tried reverse parking one? Now try up a slight slope.
in a manual you can slip it a bit, and know how much pedal pressure to give it, but the double clutch has no idea, so it heats them up like a mofo.
plus, going first/reverse/first/reverse ****s the box after a while, and most people would do that a lot i imagine.
Seconded. The lag time experienced whilst the gearbox decides how much to slip the clutch sh*ts me to no end. You get a quicker off the line response from a conventional auto slushbox, no joke. They're great on the open road, but in stop start traffic, forget about it. If you want a manual, get a manual. If you can't figure out the 3rd pedal, get an IS-F which has full torque converter lockup between 2nd and 8th gear and reportedly works just as quickly as a DSG without any of the drawbacks!Quote:
Originally Posted by trism
Quicker than just about all DSG boxes actually! The converter lock up only happens in manual mode, which sucks a bit. Would be better if it happened in just with the sport mode button.Quote:
Originally Posted by jono_l
It was actually suggested to me that the torque converter lockup actually does happen in sport mode, but it will pull timing during the shift for a smoother shift (unlike manual mode). I could very well be mistaken though; my memory isn't what it used to be. I may actually get a chance in the near future to try it out for myself - am keeping fingers crossed for that one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
No, manual mode only. Heres a bit of info on the auto: http://cfile230.uf.daum.net/attach/1...4CE6A8A804797CQuote:
Originally Posted by jono_l
It's more than worth driving it mate. Make sure you try out all modes, there's a big difference between everything. It's nice and sedate in drive, hit sport and everything gets sharper, it'll hold gears longer, and response is improved. Flick it in manual, and it's full animal. But the thing that will get you is the sound!