93' H22A Build

Had my first taste of Vtec today after buying a Prelude Si Vtec with the JDM H22A engine. :cool:

1993
Si Vtec (H22A)
125 XXX km's

Got some simple plans for it so far, but going to build it up nice and slow...

- Extractors + Exhaust
- K&N intake
- Vtec controller (need some info on this)
- Lightened flywheel
- Get it lowered (but not dumped!)
- HID's 8000k
- Install the new sound system that's patiently waiting in my garage

That's all i got so far and they'l be happening over the next few weeks. If anyone has any suggestions or opinions, feel free to let them loose.

:honda:
Bob

Here she is.. :o

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/9666/preludew.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...r/6f8100e0.jpghttp://static2.ozhonda.com/forum/ima...honda_logo.jpg

Welcome abourd!!!!

Looks nice, enjoy it

Kit looks nice!

do some handling work :D

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...r/6f8100e0.jpg

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Originally Posted by YLD-H22

Here she is.. :o

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/9666/preludew.jpg

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Welcome abourd.

Great nice car mate. First thing i would do is take off that front bumper and put back the original.

He just bought it like that,doubt he got the oem bar.

Its a jdm...bro

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rMu42fxKTB...+Club+Film.jpg

^lol, ah yes... i worded my sentence incorrectly. What i meant was he should get ridz of it and get an originaz back on.

Thanks for taking me on bourd. The bumpers staying on, at least until all performance work is complete :D Or i might keep it on... will decide in time.

Can anyone suggest a type of springs or coilovers to increase handling and drop the height? I feel like I'm driving a truck.

Bam!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BC-Racing...ht_1799wt_1163

or just get some pedders

Now if I were to announce that my budget for these is $200 for now, what would you suggest i do? lol

$200 bucks hmm used lowering springs,not much other choices

Lol $200 will not get you very far.

Add a 1 before the 2 and you should get yourself something very handy. Those BC Racing coils are quiet good.

$1200 Made in Taiwan no thankyou :)

yeah $200 isnt much to work with.

just gonna have to start saving.

there is a cheaper range will just have to look around. can check firesport for 2nd hand coilovers
http://firesport.com.au/search.php?s...lude+coilovers

Or you could get these lol
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/93-96-97-...ht_1829wt_1396

Sounds good, i better start saving and searching then. Ebay lol nah i don't want springs made of plastic :P

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/6...2_o.jpg?nc=251

Makita lowering kit.....do it

Loooooooool

Lmao no thanks GSi !




Installed some aqua parkers yesterday :cool: was a pain in the arse doing it at night but worth it at the end

http://i40.tinypic.com/b7b8so.jpg

noooo

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Originally Posted by Bludger

noooo

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why ? :(

http://www.shiokfood.com/images/rice.jpg

haha j/ks bro, mod it how you want to.

It's going to look sweet with the HID's hopefully

What you talking about bro, vtec runs of rice ;)

NOOOOOOOOOo

plesase nooooo

prepare to get high beamed from me

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...722_225643.jpg

'sif you don't like blue ?

lol, well some people like, others no likey.

Personally i would just get a normal white led. Like the bludger! looks awesome

I don't like getting dazzled by people using unroadworthy headlights, just to look 'cool'

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Originally Posted by jeremydawg

lol, well some people like, others no likey.

Personally i would just get a normal white led. Like the bludger! looks awesome

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that picture, they're all standard globes.

The picture just has a blue tint to it......

srs! looks sik!

I could live with blue parkers on cars if they banned HID totally.

I despise them oem or aftermarket

btw its illegal to use foglights unless it actually is foggy conditions yet every tool who wants to look cool uses them at night

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Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T

I could live with blue parkers on cars if they banned HID totally.

I despise them oem or aftermarket

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I don't mind it.

Just hate all the honda's running around with them.

hid's are quite scrap indeed. less vision then normal bulbs and blinding to others. unless you get the right k

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Originally Posted by jeremydawg

hid's are quite scrap indeed. less vision then normal bulbs and blinding to others. unless you get the right k

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well, that's the problem isn't it.
the norm people buy these days is 6 or 8

yeah should be around 4100k. kids these days

nice av

4.7k is the strongest and most blinding with 6k being the second strongest and 8k being weaker than both. 8k looks the best and doesn't blind people as much as the ugly yellow 4.7k :)

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Originally Posted by YLD-H22

8k looks the best and doesn't blind people as much as the ugly yellow 4.7k :)

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how did you come to this conclusion?

Search it anywhere, 4.7k is known to be the strongest HID light. And seriously, blue 8k lights look really neat.

http://www.meccaone.org/images/hid-chart.jpg

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Originally Posted by jeremydawg

kids these days

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werd.

http://img14.mediafire.com/d738fbb31...dd8fbe846g.jpg

Thanks :D There's my proof ..

Ahh.. nice sig Jeremey. Maybe one day you'l be famous enough to be in mine? then my aunty will give you a cookie :)

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Thanks :D There's my proof ..

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http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt57q9A0gR1qfh0tl.png

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Thanks :D There's my proof ..

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hurrrrrrrr

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Originally Posted by YLD-H22

Thanks :D There's my proof ..

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just shows how ignorant towards other road users.....

one last thing before i unsubscribe.

I'ts not how bright the light is, it's where the light is pointing.

Where's this ignorance?

Yea that can be changed.. you can make your stock bulbs point at people's faces too ..

Dude prepare your anus for the copper that see's those blue led parkers.

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Originally Posted by YLD-H22

Where's this ignorance?

Yea that can be changed.. you can make your stock bulbs point at people's faces too ..

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let me answer your question



the truth is out there...

The universe is bursting with life! But it's at the next density level,4th density and up,4d,which is the astral plane,the place we go when we dream.

We are at 3rd density,the physical plane.

There are many groups of 'alien' types who service the self sts or service to others sto at levels 4 and 6.5d is the place our true spirit goes after physical death,it is the contemplation zone a place of 'timeless understanding' where you have a range of emotions in profound clarity.

5th density is also called 'the soul recycling zone'.we review the physical life just passed and according to our 'karmic profile' we re-incarnate accordingly.we all have a 'karmic resonance profile'... Can u think what that could be?

Anyway,all this nonsense will be over soon!

Soon a-itu (spirit) will once again be re-united with the one,the divine,our home as true spirited beings,7th density.


1st and 2nd densitys are on the physical plane...

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.ph....html#msg16971

What did i just read? lol.

Yea we all have no defects don't we -.-

Jeremys one of those space cadet astral travellers trying to get you on bourd too lol

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Originally Posted by YLD-H22

Thanks :D There's my proof ..

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proof of what o.0?

do wat u want man, it's your car, but in no way does a blue headilght look better than clean 4700k whites..

oem HID's in euro cars are around 4300k and they are considerably whiter than your 'ugly yellow 4.7k'

had high hopes for this thread/vehicle.

Jost another sohcvteccivic wanna be dolsol.

only it's the prelude version.

we all have defects true, but every single person i know who has rocked those blue leds when they first got there p's has been dicked for them...
the cops see it straight away and they will pull you over no questions asked, its a traffic hazard as the only cars allowed to have blue or red lights are
ambulampz and coppers,coppers punch them in the face.

Okay ordering WHITE parkers with 8000k HID's tomorrow hopefully.

Half the system is in. Got the subs cranking but the speakers are still in progress. :)

Is it usually this hard to get on bourd !?

lol you caved to the e-pressure

Theyre right though,blue parkers can be attractive to the po-lice

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Originally Posted by YLD-H22

Okay ordering WHITE parkers with 8000k HID's tomorrow hopefully.

Half the system is in. Got the subs cranking but the speakers are still in progress. :)

Is it usually this hard to get on bourd !?

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before you put on the xenon lights, park your lude up against a wall and see where your light cutoff line is, on your low beams.....

After you install the xenons, park it in the same spot and have a look at how the light disperses.

try to adjust it as close as possible to the original light output.

failing to do this, you will see my high beams.

Welcome abourd.

I aint scared of the po-lice.
Just kidding.

Bludger il do it just for you, but gimme a buck ?

A good cold air intake with a nice pod filter and a good full exhaust system (headers, catback, axelback) will net a good amount of power for the cost and make the car sound 10 times better.

Save up for some good adjustable coilovers I highly recommend it over just replacing springs.

Don't waste your time on a vtec controller the vtec engagement point that it is set at now is ideal unless you've changed some internals and had a retune, then lowering or raising your vtec engagement point might net some gains.

Get a heavy duty clutch instead of the flywheel yes they do give you a bit of extra responsiveness, but the heavy duty clutch will benefit alot more when driving uhhh enthusiastically.

The HID's are a definite yes.
And yeah sound system is nice as long as you aren't driving around the main street of town with it maxed out and rattling the whole ****en car.

I suggest you remove the spoiler too gives the car a much cleaner look.

This is my old 93 lude with a type s h22a from the 5th gens swapped in.
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6...8556391510.jpg

Oh almost forgot, SWAY BARS GET SOME SWAY BARS ASAP BEFORE ANYTHING.

Looks sexy !

Ahh where do i start, thats a really helpful post lol.

Cold air intake and full exhaust is ofcourse my first goal in the performance wishlist, just need to save up a bit.. Do you know approximately how much it will cost for each piece?

Coilovers may take a while for me to get the money for :( but i really hope i get a chance to grab them.

I'm not 100% sure about the vtec controllers purpose lol but i heard it controls where the vtec kicks in. It currently kicks in about 5500 rpm. When i redline (7450 rpm) and i change gears, the rpm drops to about 4600 rpm then it takes another 900 rpm for vtec to kick in again! Sorry if i didn't explain that properly but i hope you get me.

I like my clutch :P but im not sure what clutch it is, feels really good though.

The sounds system.. yea rattles a bit lol but im still working on it to make it sound as clean as possible. Should be buying a nice pioneer head unit today aswell :)

The spoilers staying on! even though yours looks so good without it lol. But i just dont get how it costs alot to remove a spoiler just because of them two holes.

Sway bars - Front and rear done ! They make the handling so nice and smooth.

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Cold air intake and full exhaust is ofcourse my first goal in the performance wishlist, just need to save up a bit.. Do you know approximately how much it will cost for each piece?

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Depends where from, what brand, if it's custom, what your budget is etc it's a hard question to answer.
I mean for headers alone you can spend like $150 on some cheapy dc sports ebay headers, or all the way up to $1000 for a set of bisimoto's or toda's.

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I'm not 100% sure about the vtec controllers purpose lol but i heard it controls where the vtec kicks in. It currently kicks in about 5500 rpm. When i redline (7450 rpm) and i change gears, the rpm drops to about 4600 rpm then it takes another 900 rpm for vtec to kick in again! Sorry if i didn't explain that properly but i hope you get me.

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5500 seems a bit high for vtec on a h22a, don't quote me on this but thought it was meant to be 4800 rpm for h22a's, my old preludes was at 4800 and my civics at 4800 which has a h22a from a 5th gen type s prelude as well.
Maybe it's cause mine was the Type S model?
Regardless, it won't get any benefits without a proper tune/replacing some interals such as more aggro cams, all you'll do by changing the crossover point is stuff things up and probably lose power, the engines designed with a certain vtec engagement point which is based off the components and current tune of the engine such as the profile of the cams, the tune it is currently set to etc.

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I like my clutch :P but im not sure what clutch it is, feels really good though.

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Just cause it feels nice doesn't mean it's any good... often some heavy duty clutches make it feel like you're shifting gears in a bus, but at high RPM when shifting really fast makes it a hell of a lot better.

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But i just dont get how it costs alot to remove a spoiler just because of them two holes.

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You need to fill in the holes with putty, sand the bonnet back and respray it atleast 3-4 hours of labour right there. (That's if it's done properly)

Thanks alot Wru. I'm looking mostly at getting a cold air intake setup at the moment since it's a really cheap performance upgrade and will probably fit my current budget :)

Okay guys I want to service my lude. Since you all know a lot more about Preludes than me could someone hit me up with specifically everything I should buy?

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Depends where from, what brand, if it's custom, what your budget is etc it's a hard question to answer.
I mean for headers alone you can spend like $150 on some cheapy dc sports ebay headers, or all the way up to $1000 for a set of bisimoto's or toda's.



5500 seems a bit high for vtec on a h22a, don't quote me on this but thought it was meant to be 4800 rpm for h22a's, my old preludes was at 4800 and my civics at 4800 which has a h22a from a 5th gen type s prelude as well.
Maybe it's cause mine was the Type S model?
Regardless, it won't get any benefits without a proper tune/replacing some interals such as more aggro cams, all you'll do by changing the crossover point is stuff things up and probably lose power, the engines designed with a certain vtec engagement point which is based off the components and current tune of the engine such as the profile of the cams, the tune it is currently set to etc.


Just cause it feels nice doesn't mean it's any good... often some heavy duty clutches make it feel like you're shifting gears in a bus, but at high RPM when shifting really fast makes it a hell of a lot better.


You need to fill in the holes with putty, sand the bonnet back and respray it atleast 3-4 hours of labour right there. (That's if it's done properly)

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the h22a type s is the higher revving engine mate.
my 5th gen crossovers at 5200 or 5500. then and valve bounce is at 7800.. if its higher revving you are after do the h22a type s engine conversion.

H22 does not need to rev its ass off like a b series to make power rev @ 7800 is ample. Its called tq. Just call for the correct engine combo. H2b setups are reving @ 7500-7800 and running 11sec + with bolt on mods.

H22 need to breath, I'd suggest a 3 inch exhaust will be loud but will give u good Gaines, many people may disagree but time an time again its been proven on the dyno. as wru said a good header system bisimoto, Rmf replicas or hytec replicas are good.
68mm throttle body, type s intake manifold.

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Okay guys I want to service my lude. Since you all know a lot more about Preludes than me could someone hit me up with specifically everything I should buy?

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Always get quality oils and change them every 5000km
Bit of injector cleaner can be handy every 10000km or so
Get throttle body and parts cleaner to clean your spark plugs and throttle body combine that with a good scrubbing
If your spark plugs are black as shit just get new ones
NGK PZFR6-11 are the best for h22's

Personally I just pay a mechanic to do a full service and clean my spark plugs, throttle body and anything else that could use a scrub once every 3 months.
Saves me alot of time drop it there on a monday go to work knock off and pick it up that arvo.

I'l most likely end up doing the service with my mechanic to stay on the safe side :)

If all goes well, will have my ~2.75" cold air intake system with a K&N pod soon !

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Originally Posted by jeremydawg

let me answer your question



the truth is out there...

The universe is bursting with life! But it's at the next density level,4th density and up,4d,which is the astral plane,the place we go when we dream.

We are at 3rd density,the physical plane.

There are many groups of 'alien' types who service the self sts or service to others sto at levels 4 and 6.5d is the place our true spirit goes after physical death,it is the contemplation zone a place of 'timeless understanding' where you have a range of emotions in profound clarity.

5th density is also called 'the soul recycling zone'.we review the physical life just passed and according to our 'karmic profile' we re-incarnate accordingly.we all have a 'karmic resonance profile'... Can u think what that could be?

Anyway,all this nonsense will be over soon!

Soon a-itu (spirit) will once again be re-united with the one,the divine,our home as true spirited beings,7th density.


1st and 2nd densitys are on the physical plane...

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.ph....html#msg16971

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Sounds like somene has enjoyed 1 too manny anal probings.....!! LOL

Haha yea i wana find out what the hec he was smoking cos i want some :D

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Originally Posted by Wru

Regardless, it won't get any benefits without a proper tune/replacing some interals such as more aggro cams, all you'll do by changing the crossover point is stuff things up and probably lose power, the engines designed with a certain vtec engagement point which is based off the components and current tune of the engine such as the profile of the cams, the tune it is currently set to etc.

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^This
As long as your ECU aint tuned for that exact crossover, ur car will run lean and you will loose power, running lean will make your engine suffer, also your wallet int the end. If you want lower VTEC engagement, get a tunable ECU and have it retuned as for your wishes. Could be everywhere from p28 with Chrome, Neptune, Hondata to a simple piggyback. Hondata IMO is a bit overkill tho for this kind of build.

VTEC controllers should only be put in a car with at least some kind of tuning device, cheapest route is a piggyback wich probably would work gor your build. but best way is an tunable ecu.

why not just go and get a hondata s100? their basic!

Thanks for the info H22. Vtec controller is now out of the list :) and hopefully il find a cheap hondata s100 when I'm in need of one..

A picture taken on the M4: :)
http://m.flickr.com/photos/72102617@...6885/lightbox/

no problem.
Or you just looking up a chipped p28 and uses any of NepTune, Crome, eCtune, Uberdata wich will be just as good or even better than hondata s100 with your setup. It doesnt really matter in this case, just to choose one that your nearest tuner can handle the best.

Who won? ;)

Before any chips I wana find a full exhaust system :)
Update; the system is finally completed after waiting 1 month to get my faulty amp fixed !

Who do you think ? V12 vs Vtec ;)

Sweet!

Hah! I was hoping vtec, but I have to say loss :P

if you still want a lightweight flywheel, ive got a brand new never used one let me know