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after the rain last two days... i found out there are some water inside the driver's side headlight... gonna go to the dealer later...
anyone have this problem??
here are some pic of it.
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this is a common problem with the euro ... take it to the dealer ... they ll fix it up for ya (free)...
That is definetly under warranty. Just bring it to honda and they will rectify it...
Don't have it on my euro.. But when my euro was at the panel beaters i had to hire a camry and that car had water in the headlights as well like urs...
common problem... really?
are they on da driver's side as well?
so there are many faulty handlight on euro?
Yes - known problem that impacts some Euros. They will most likely replace the headlight
MMMM.. I should go check mine out too....
that just means you have a broken seal or something in y our headlight..it happened with another car...just get it replaced
i always thought it was normal for that to happen after a long period of rain. If left alone, won't the water just evaporate in a few days...?
its not normal mate, esp. on a euroQuote:
Originally Posted by DaPlaya
Never happen to my Nov 2003 Euro.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
On the topic of headlights. I think my HIDs are not as bright as they are used to be. Anyone with 03 or early 04's Euro Luxury has this same problem? Can age of battery affect the brightness of HIDs?
the bulb in the hid is probly getting old (if these work in the same way as sodium vapour lights) ask honda if the bulbs have a life ? I think you will find that they do...Let us know either way.
cheers
My euro never have water inside the headlight, even though it is always parked outside, so it's definitely not normal. Go get the dealer fix it for you (make sure it's free since it is under warranty).
Yeah I had the same problem, they replaced it and did not allow me to keep the spare part lol, after they replace it they wash your car also =)
Honda always washes the cars hey...
But thats pretty wierd after just changing ur headlight they wash ur car uhehehhehee....
Yeah it is abit weird, its part of the service i guess after they thrash your car down the hume highway and redline the hell out of it to compensate for the headlights =)
I haven't encounted that problem so far. Does it affect most Euros? I got mine late 2004.
Mine has this problem too.
Has for about a month or so. (not in perth often to get it fixed)
I finally got around to ringing Burswood Honda. I didnt buy the car from them, but they are the closest dealer.
Have had my car serviced there once, wasnt fussed with service.
Anyways the guy there goes just leave your car parked, engine running and headlights on for a couple of hrs and it will dry out.
At this point im getting pissed off with the guy after discussions. I tell him how it should be warranty and that its actually illegal at moment.
"oh mate it happens to euro, they are open headlight at back and have a silica sachel in there to absorb the moisture"
"we used to replace em but now we asess how much water is in there, and either dry it out or replace it. We dont replace many theres days"
"if you really want to bring it in we can dry it for you, but may as well do it yourself"
I was well pissed at this stage and say goodbye and hang up.
Rang Honda North, guy goes, "no worries had a few of them latley, what side is it and when can you bring the car in?"
Next wed thanks mate :thumbsup:
So Burswood Honda you can shove your service up ur backside, even though ive gotta drive accross town, my car will be going to Honda North from now on.
That definetly is a warranty thing Timbo...
U might as well try Prestige Honda hehhehehee... Or is that too far for ya..
nah prestige is another i could try
i will get headlight done at north and next service at prestige
not going back to burswood but
I just took my Euro in to get a few things looked at and that was one of them, spoke to the mechanic and he said the housing has 2 holes in it to let heat escape from the housing, when you have the head lights on for an extended period or in humid weather the housing draws moisture in through the holes and as such it shows up occasionally as condensation on the lens. Its not really an issue unless there is standing water in the housing itself.
It's actually a problem with most accords.
They fix it for free normally - especially under warranty.
If it doesn't go away after a while, it can damage the lights/HIDs if left for a long period of time.
If you own any car - it's really best to keep it in a garage - especially if you want a higher resale value and lower comprehensive.
K :honda:
My 04 Euro headlights don't have this problem. is it also happen after washing your car?
My Aug 04 Euro hasn't had this problem yet, and it's always parked outside on an incline too, so the water would always run down to my headlights. Though the headlight protectors always fog up
The brightness still seems the same as well, and i use my headlights quite a bit, in the mornings to work (upto 1 hour) and then also on the drive home (upto 2hrs). Also used in rain, and when it's even greyish and dark i'll sometimes have them on.
I certainly hope they last for quite awhile, replacement bulbs for HID are expensive :|
I have had the same problem. I took it to Gary Warren Smith Honda in Oakleigh at my last service. I specifically instructed them to change the headlight as I did not want to come back as it is a huge inconvenience for me (they need the car for the whole day).
I explained this was a common problem, etc, etc. They agreed. They said it will not be a problem but a technician needs to inspect the light as there is a Honda instruction on this issue.
When I picked up the car I was told they did not need to change the headlight as it was just condensation and it would dry out. I was told this is nothing to worry about unless I see lots of water filling up the light (not just condensation).
3 weeks later and a car wash and the light is completely clouded. It has not dried out at all. It looks ridiculous.
I called up the dealer and told them the car is not roadworthy and I am not going to accept the "fix" they suggested - ie do nothing.
They have now agreed to replace the headilght. Little too late. I am not going there anymore - they lost a customer.
yfin, did you get the headlights changed eventually and did the same problem occur afterwards?
I haven't changed the headlight yet - still clouded. It is too much of a hassle for me to be without the car. I will get it done when I move to Perth soon and have a few days off.Quote:
Originally Posted by VirIIx
I don't see why these dealers would be worried about replacing a warrantee item, its a Honda cost, not a dealer cost, I thought Honda Aust. would be reinbursing the dealer for part and labour? or are the dealers claiming the item but not doing the proper work, hmmm...
I think the dealers are loosing out on labour costs if it's a warranty job.
for me...
i took my camera with me to show them how bad it is...
once i told them they change a new one for me...
dealer : Rick Damelian , sydney
I thought for warranty work, the dealer is reimbursed for labour as well?
yea... i didnt pay a cent to get that changeQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Well the dealer must charge honda the labour because they have to recuop some of its losses with warranty issues...
Maybe Honda pays the labour but at a reduced rate...
believe there was a recall on some earlier euro batches on the leaky headlights issues.. apparently, it is risky enough to warrant a recall, as 1 has short-circuited and caught fire in singapore.
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Originally Posted by yfin
what what what ur joining us on the westside.... wikked.
Whens this going down... dont go to Burswood Honda Hey!!
aye - Ali G says west side is da best. I will be in perth from 11 June for 6 months. Work is putting me up at a house in Scarborough. Euro trucked across :thumbsup: . Would be great to meet the Perth Euro people once I have settled in. You will probably see me around with Vic plates on a Euro - not sure how often that happens in Perth.Quote:
Originally Posted by PERTH_EURO
not often
Scarborough hey Yfin.. Thats near the beach.. But its up north.. Gonna have fun in peak hour traffic when u live up north.. Well u can meet up with me & Timbo when ur in Perth Yfin...Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Sounds good - I think I will visit North Honda for the headlight fix too. Just looked it up in the street directory - not too far from where I am living.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pum[Z]
Peak hour traffic? I live in Melbourne - I think Perth peak hour is like driving into Melbourne CBD on a Saturday afternoon!
I tried drying the headlight out with a heater - doesn't really work well. How do the dealers dry it out? Not so keen on letting the car idle for a few hours.
well the guy at north said is was going to be changed out.
Will let you know what happens. It gets done on wed
All WA euro owners will have to catch up. I ment to organise one in april..... but didnt work out... it will happen!!! :thumbsup:
Just noticed that the low beam globe has gone on the side the water is on.
I think they will be replacing that too.
Happens tommorow morning
faaaaaaaaaaar out... this car is cursed.
Got it back from Honda, complete new replacement headlight assembley.
But.......... main beam does still not work. Turns out that the condensation had dripped into the high voltage converter thingo and it needs replacing... fine... but none in state, has to come from over east.. so car has to go back, bumber removed again blah blah blah.... .
I just wanna enjoy my car damit.... do you think they would mind if i asked to fit Injen when the front bar is off lol :)
hmm timbo, could u ask em how the bumper comes off? like, any other bits that need to be disconnected besides the foggies? e.g HID washers? cuz as u know i already ordered INJEN CAI ( thnx again for link mate :thumbsup: ) and yeah still sorta iffy about the HID washers cuz all the pple who have done the injen CAI conversion all had normal euros/TSX. and mike's one is still in SRI mode so yeah....
if u could ask it'd be appreciated mate :D
im doing mine this arvo hopefully. If i end up going the bumper removal ill post it up here!!
It shouldn't be that hard to remove ur bumper Stephen.. Ur foglights have clips to remove the wires...Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
The HID washers... mmm helped my friends S2000 when we were putting the Injen CAI in... When removing the bumper the HID hose has to be removed and plugged fast.. If not the water comes out onto the floor...
ah serious? hmm interesting. ...thanks mike :D :thumbsup:
I finally got a chance to give my car a good wash yesterday. Halfway through it, I had to move my car so my wife can drive her car out of the garage.
when I resume the car wash, I discovered the drivers side headlight has condensation/fog/cloud build-up. OMG, this predisposed genetic disease has finally manifested on my euro. Luckily, the condensation went away about 20 - 30 minutes later, and never come back. (because the car is already dry).
Should I wait and see (wait till next car wash or rain)? or should I need report to Honda dealer incase of possibility leading to HID failure?
Interesting enough, looks like it all happened on driver's side headlight. Any happends on passanger side?
Same here, happen on the driver side after a good wash or heavy rain.
mine was both sides, mainly on the drivers side
the condensation in mine did lead to HID failure. But mine never dried out. Complete replacement came way way including new globe
When I was installing a new toy I discovered each headlight housing contains a large pouch of silica gel dessicant (100mmX100mm) adhered to the inside divider between the projector assembly and the indicator. It's sole purpose is to absorb moisture. If it becomes supersaturated it would pretty much be stuffed leading to condensation. You could try to peel it off and then dry it in an oven, but I'm sure dessicant crystals only have a finite life, and you'd probably tear the pouch open.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNR888
You could also remove your bumper, remove the headlight and sit it in a very low oven with the cap off (50C or there about to be really sure not to discolour the clear plastic) for several hours for it to dry out.
It's presence is only as a preventative measure as over time and given the right conditions it's inevitable that moisture will find it's way into most any headlight, for which the designers are obviously very aware as all modern headlights contain dessicant.
This info isn't going to solve anything, but no service centre should act surprised when owners report moisture in the headlight. So if it's under warranty always take it back!:)
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thanks guys for your inputs
um
well ì had that same fogging effect
exactly like them pix
it appeared when i got my euro back after a repair that lasted 3 effin weeks aheahe
i left it alone.. it went away in a week or 2
so i dernos?
*scratches head
nong saoQuote:
Originally Posted by ameetah
Im afraid to report that my car has now developed this disease today. I have already booked it in to be repaired in 3 days time. The passenger side headlight is completely fogged up and there is heaps of water in the headlight also. It is that bad that when looking at the headlight you cant see into it at all, its completely misted up.
My euro is October 05 plated so I would have thought that Honda would have rectified this issue but obviously not.
Seems like this only affects the HID (Luxury) models.
Anyone had this happen with their base model Euro (with Halogens)?
Yfin had the same issue on and it's a standard model... But he got it fixed under warranty...Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
Hi ZYL11A:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZYL11A
Have you ever change light bulbs? if so, make sure the rubber seal is put back in correctly.
Did the fogging-up happen after you wash your car? or after driving in the rain?
The only bulbs that have been changed are the parkers. That was done last year in november. It happened after heavy rain on sunday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNR888
i have had bad experrience with the same dealer too, but at a much earlier stage of my Euro ownership when i was still hunting for the best deal for the car :D. Looking at the attitude of rheir sales ppl , then didn't seem to be very serious with their business. i still remember it was a sunday and they were the only dealer open, so i drove all the way to oakleigh to have a peek at the Euro. there was one dude standing there with his nose high up in the air looking down at me the moment i stepped into the showroom.. granted i wasn't wearing Armani suit or anything like that, i still dont think i deserved that kinda serviing. oh c'moonnn.. it's not a BMW showroom or something.. i had to walk over to him and ask for info.. after 2 questions, he turned his back on me and went on to trimming the plants!!Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
woo hoo... i was sure pissssed... if not for the curiosity i had for the car, i wouled had just walked out..
the next day, i went to Robert Lane Honda and received 1st class service, and needless to say... i bought the Euro off them
to that old specky salesdude at Garry Wareen .. go trim ur own pvbic hair and eat it too..
LOL, I told the first dealer that pulled shit on me that I had bought from another dealer. Hahahha.. He said, we still welcome you to service at our dealership. Haha. blah.
yeah.. this happened to me whne i was washing my car.. but i just kinda left it? and it just went away.
At this Saturday's Sydney Euro meet, let's all check each other's headlight seals to make sure that they are on tightly!
^^ hahahah.. YES LETS!!! :D:D
Lol id love to, mine is at Honda as we speak getting the headlight replaced. I made sure I got it done before the cruise on the weekend so the car didnt look like crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I have caught this disease aswell !!
Mine was first noticed after washing the car (Sep05-Lux) on the wkend, the passenger side has fogged up and wont clear out, its just getting worse!! :(
I have tried driving with the headlights on, but it doesnt clear!!
I am worried about the HID failure, i dont want the fog to cause more probs!!
Dont know where to go:
1/Robert Lane - where i bought the car
2/Astoria Honda
3/John Blair
4/Gary Warren Smith?? - i know some of you have had bad experiences
Obviously i want a complete replacement, not someone with a hairdryer doing a bandaid fix. Can anyone give me some advice on where to take it?
Thks
Just take it to where you bought the car from..
Demand and demand... New car demands proper working items...
Good luck :)
Im having the same prob...but my car is a 96 EK1 Civic Sedan...and I've recently bought a pair of Projector Angel Eye headlights. It only happens on the driver side...and evaporates over time...but comes back frequently.
I've only had these headlights for 3 weeks or so, and am worried it will blow out the Angel Eye Rings. Where exactly are the headlight seals located, is it the rubbery caps behind the lights, or is it something else?
yes i have had this happen on a standard i posted pic if the other thread of this topic
Bringing back and thread...
The heavy rain the past few days in Sydney has completely fogged up (more like extreme condensation) inside the passenger headlight. I don't think I can take it back to dealer for warranty as I've done a HID conversion (which made a hole in the rear cap). I'm pretty sure the HID installation is not a problem as the grommet pretty much keeps the water out where the wires go into the housing. It's worrying, its getting worse... but my drivers side is perfectly fine! Any other people experiencing this at the moment? Any fixes without going back to warranty?
Yes... its not normal to have water vapour that won't go away in the headlights, I know coz I had that with the Euro too and took it back to the dealer and they replaced it under warranty. I found that it happened again, but very slightly and this time it went away so meh!
Wait for a sunny, dry day. open the cap to let the moisture out.
I kept changing my driver's side parkers because they kept blowing. So I have condensation on my right headlight.
Has anyone with a Euro in Perth has this 'water in headlight' problem? If so which dealer did you take it to. I'm planning to take to the Melville dealer (where i bought car from) to get the clutch and headlights fix. Just wanna know what are they like when replacing these two items (good, they ignore, etc)? Any experiences?
I took it to the Honda dealer on Scarborough beach road. They were awesome about it - agreed to order a new assembly without looking at the car (yes - they did it over the phone and I wasn't an existing customer). Definately go there :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Euro1011
In Melbourne I received the opposite treatment - despite my request they change the assembly they said "it wasn't necessary and we dried out the headlight"... 2 weeks later it happened again (by that stage I had moved to Perth). Absolute time wasters in Melb.
Thanks yfin. I try the guys ar Scarborough Beach. Closer to work too.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Going to ask you a stupid question. I do not have to take it to the dealer i bought the car from right? as long it's an authorised honda dealer.
definately not - in fact I have found I get better service from places where I did not buy the car. Perhaps they think they can win me over to their dealership if they try harder. Or perhaps other dealers are just better overall. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Euro1011
Yes, that's right. You can use any dealer for warranty repair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Euro1011
Thanks guys. Booked my car in to get the headlight replaced at Scarborough but about the creaking clutch (i know this is another thread), apparently my VIN number does not fall within the ones specified in the bulletin Honda Aust specified but they will diagnose it.
The warranty on my car is 3years (had it for 2.5yrs now). Is it a good idea to extend the warranty for another 2yrs for $895?
my only advice would be to read the warratny carefully, dealer warranties are not the same as honda warranties.
if its an extension of the honda warranty then i reckon 895 is worth it, if your planning on keeping it, but i would be weary of the dealer warranties. as they dont cover everything, you must go back to them, etcetc.
I had fogging of my driver side headlight yesterday too after the carwash. It is dry now but has water marks all over the inside of the headlight assembly. Any ideas on how to clean it out?
Because it's dried now.. i doubt honda will replace it.
Lads, this problem has existed in the Euro headlights since it's inception. Standad procedure is for you to return it to your local dealership. They are fully aware of it and you should get a swap out pretty quickly without any questions asked.