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Hey guys looking at buying a s2k done a search on google and ozh but can't really find anything or maybe didnt search hard enough.
I test drove this s2k the owner claims its jap-spec (quicker motor?), but how can I tell ? also whats the difference if it is Jap spec ? Any help would be good thanks
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d...rice:Min,Max~1
Best to go check it out in person. Could be a Jap Sec as the front bumper does not have the washers. But Jap Specs dont have quicker motors. Buy a Aus Spec.
- F20c V-TEC Engine (Factory 206kw compared to the 176kw Aus Spec S2000)
lmao what dumb arse. where did he pluck 206kw from
No idea, how much slower is japspec s2k ?
id say theyre exactly the same. wouldnt be slower and it woulnt be quicker.
but insurance costs will be higher then the audm version.
pretty sure they have different wheels too :S
Looks to be jap spec from the pictures. As mentioned, front bar has no washers, rear bar is also correct (different where the number plate mounts) and the center console has a coin pocket (since there's no headlight washers). So yeah, looks pretty legit. But yeah, there is no real advantage buying a Jap Spec S2k as the seller seems to think.
Ahh kk thanks heaps for the info guys ! Also has a tear in the roof how much would be to replace the soft top ?
Don't focus on whether or not the car is jap spec, focus on buying a good S2000.
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/7758...-a-used-s2000/
Jap spec doesnt mean anything if the cars bad..
Yeah the car itself isnt bad no leaks box feels good engine idles fine drives good. Going to have a more precise look at it again before I buy
best way to tell if its japspec, see if its got the japspec dash with the gps system inbuilt..
http://s2000.com/forums/members/phin...re391-nav.jpeg
and apparently the japspec motors run a higher compression ratio then the aus because of something to do with the climate.. which could 'technically' give them more power...
not all come with gps it was an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamay_s2k
heap jdm motor runs higher compression also has slightly more power
audm s2k - 176kw
jdm s2k - 184kw
not that you would feel the diffrence.
i wonder how much the option was,Quote:
Originally Posted by vyets
would love one on the aus delivered models. A friend of mine had a 2001 model which had it and he brought his from a dealer here.. :S
ay with our cars this light, i think u would feel almost 10kws haha :P
It does have slightly higher compression, but not because of the climate but because the petrol available in Japan is higher octane.
So yes the higher compression will give you a bit more power, but will also ping much easier, which the ECU will detect, pull timing and reduce power. :banghead:
But what system did he have in it? The JDM Nav system won't work in Aus.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamay_s2k
he had the jap gps aswell so it was rendered useless lolQuote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
just get the nav bezel and install a double din head unit behind it
yea thats what im planning on doing it eventuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by vyets
they sell the oem bezel on ebay for $80
I wonder if anyone here giving advice to cut up the dash actually done it?
im in the process of looking for a suitable system which will suit the bezel and give me gps navigation, aswell as fm/radio, mp3 and also vehicle telemetry. very pricey and im looking at minium 800 :/Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
the bezels on ebay are for right hand drive models as well so its straight suit for aus spec dash. it doesn't say on the add but i contacted the supplier and he guaranteed me it is for RIGHT hand drive models
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270818991432...84.m1438.l2649
im scared of ******* up my dash in the process of cutting, might invest in another dash just incase (god i wish i had my other shell, would have just used that dash :/)
will keep you guys posted in the process and eventually write up a DIY for it with photos
ur a gun my friend.
Probably the best way to tell is to have a look at your VIN. Tell us what you see. Also, if it's a JDM model with the stock ECU, see if you can test drive it past 180kph...Quote:
Originally Posted by Premature Vtec
I've seen that twice now, and the second time looks no less painful.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
its got the jap version dash with the navi screen but who cares when the car condition is like shit...
Yeah lol, someone put a deposit on it already, its in worst condition 2 big dents, smashed tail light and torn roof + cracked 3rd brake light. Looking for a decent condition s2k now. Wouldnt wind travelling to nsw
I was just in your situation, brisbane, wanting a clean S2k, went to look at an AP1 with 60,XXX kms for $30k, was in rubish condition, all interior had rips, torn roof, panels damaged.
Looked at a black one at a dealership on southside, 108,XXX kms, very clean, little bit of wear, really nice, negotiated on price, really really happy with it.
And I can't recommend barefootbonzi and his cuz enough, great to have someone levelheaded with you when buying one of there lol :P
save up more and just go for a clean ap2
there so much easier to find in good condition :(
AP1? 9k redline ftw??Quote:
Originally Posted by tamay_s2k
Ap2 still has a 9000rpm redline as the changed from ap1 to ap2 in Australia are mainly cosmetic
You can tell its an import from the Import VIN/Compliance plate. Easy as that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattatnoosa
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2r-0636
Not just cosmetic. Mainly, we didn't get the F22C that the USDM did, and later the JDM.Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2r-0636
Yeh that's why I said "in Australia"
Hate to bang on about it, but AP1=2L, AP=2.2L.
WE NEVER GOT AP2!
I realise we got some cosmetic changes in 04 but we got cosmetic changes with the 02 and the 06 as well but no model number change.
THERE IS NO AP2 IN AUSTRALIA!
The chassis code in Australia is still AP2 on the 04+....just that we get the f20c instead of f22c
In Australia;
99-03ish is ap1 chassis code with f20c
04-08 is ap2 chassis code with f20c also
Nope it ain't.
This time you are incorrect Grasshopper.Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2r-0636
I could of sworn I saw the vin code on a 07 model read "ap2xxxxxxx"
wrong. we did receive the ap2, 04+ has the ap2 chassis which has a slightly tweak in the suspension structure, as well as smaller brake disk diameters front and rear.. what we didnt get was the ap2 f22c motor and the ap2 gearbox which has a different ratio system within the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
take a ap2 for a testdrive and u will realize that the car does feel alot different, they are more pron to understeer and are less snappy at the rear. ive driven it for myself and can distinguish the difference
now back to topic? :P
vin is still ap1Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2r-0636
Ok, you supply me a pic of the VIN no. with AP2 and the Aus character code and I will admit defeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamay_s2k
Really? What size are the new brake discs?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamay_s2k
Mine is a jap spec car,
Apparently only about 10% more power, I have had mine to 190km is its not limited to 180km.
I personally think the from bumper is slightly different angles because the from spoiler took a bit of work to fit and had to heat up and bend it a bit more.
Mine did have headlight washers too but I removed them.
Is your 'from' spoiler OEM (as in made by Honda as opposed to 'OEM style')?
lol sorry FRONT.
No its a copy from ebay, but a good one off there, very good feedback, my spray painter said its good quality. He said the rear it the best he has seen on how well it fits and how well it sprayed.
really? Ive also got a jap spec and ive got 180km speed cutQuote:
Originally Posted by troys2000
1999 - 2003Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
Diameter: 300mm
Original Height: 40mm
Original Thickness: 25mm
Minimum Thickness: 23mm
Centre Hole Diameter: 300mm
2004 +
Diameter: 282mm
Original Height: 47mm
Original Thickness: 23mm
Minimum Thickness: 21mm
Centre Hole Diameter: 282mm
i foudn this out wen i was ordering my brakes through my mates shop and his a RDA dealer. There was a note on his system saying to make sure u get the suitable model because the 2 models are different and provided the actual dimensions between the 2 models and there factory specs
ill get back 2 u on that 2day :PQuote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
i hope im right lmaoo :P
Ok, so you're assuming the front bumper is different because a dodgey ebay sourced knock off took some work to fit?
Ok, so you too, you are relying on online information from a third party to ascertain differences between S2000 models.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamay_s2k
I really don't know why I bother with OzHonda. :rolleyes:
Lol thanks Aus2000. We measured the length with string over my front end and it was slightly shorter as well. (didnt want to go into too much detail)
For sure Jap spec. Not sure why I can do 190 but. Got a new engine but am sure is still a jap spec engine too and i didn’t change the computer either
lol not really, as wen i ordered mine, a mate also ordered for his ap2 and we did a comparison on the disks and they actually were different sizes, explain that now mr honda god =-Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
and where do you get ur info from mr internet mechanic...u seem to no a lot about hondas LOL
Just because RDA list different sizes on their website and supposedly send out different sizes when you order them doesn't mean that Honda made different sizes.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamay_s2k
I know very little about Hondas, but quite a bit about S2000s from having owned and worked on one for over a decade, and also my involvement with S2ki. In fact I remember a thread where someone mentioned the different size rotors as listed on the RDA website and it was immediately shot down.
lmao, some funny stuff.
Q: How do you know something is untrue?
A: It is written on OzHonda.
^ and you post on ozhonda :)
yup, don't believe a thing I say.
ok ill admit thats a valid point. mine was a major assumption since rda does send them in 2 different sizes and it would only be logical that this the factory specs but like i said, that was a 'major assumption' made by me. ive seen both rotors and have measured them and they are different. stupid why they would release 2 different 1z if factory is the same :SQuote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by dc2r-0636
at least i agree with you on this!!!! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
they might have just been different for the adm cars, as i had the same trouble with rda/dba.
It's a fully imported car. What conceivable reason could Honda have to reduce the size of rotors (and hence change the entire braking system) for the 100 or so later model S2000s sold in Australia?
Don't you think it's far more likely DBA made a mistake, and RDA (which I suspect is also DBA) copied it?
Anyway, enough conjecture. A couple of guys on here have later model S2000s and can confirm or deny the change in rotor size with a ruler.
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/4024...page__st__1800Quote:
Originally Posted by tamay_s2k
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There is no change in rotor size, changed by discs the other day, RDA and DBA have it wrong. The only change to the braking system in the 04+ cars is the brake pad itself runs a different compound.
Aus is right, VIN is AP1, not AP2
Where a lot of you are wrong though is that you assume the changes are only cosmetic, which they are not. Ive listed the changes below. The '06 onwards had further changes given the move to DBW, which I personally think was a backward step, but anyway.
TRANSMISSION
• Carbon fiber synchromesh replace the solid brass ones for all gears except reverse. The new design features a brass ring with a carbon fiber element bonded on the inner surface, resulting in simplified mechanical components, increased synchronizer capacity, improved abrasion resistance, and reduced weight. The weight reduction and increased capacity translates to a smoother and quicker shifting feel. Further enhancing shift feel quality is a reduction in the load acting on the disc spring. Per Honda, this tweak results in reduced shift knob operational load and reduced harshness.
• transmission case rigidity improved
CLUTCH
• Redesigned clutch and clutch case.
• To reduce the "impact torque" of a high rpm clutch dump, the new clutch has an additional orifice at the sleeve cylinder, which reduces the torque reaction acting on the drivetrain, in effect a clutch delay system.
• The clutch case has incorporated additional rib reinforcements to reduce vibrations and noises generated by the drivetrain. The additional ribs have improved clutch case rigidity by approximately 10%.
DIFFERENTIAL
• Redesigned differential; it has been beefed up.
• By moving to an FCD material (from FC), the case rigidity was improved by 40% while the overall case strength was increased 20%.
• Gear fatigue resistance improved by 5% through a change in the shot peening method for the drive pinion gear.
SUSPENSION & STEERING
• Front spring rates increased by nearly 7%
• Rear spring rates were softened by roughly 10%.
• Shock damper rates have been adjusted accordingly.
• Front stabilizer bar is unchanged.
• Rear stabilizer bar was reduced in diameter by 1.8mm to 25.4 mm to improve bump steer & cornering.
• To enhance steering feel and accuracy, the suspension geometry was altered slightly, lowering the steering knuckles by 1.5mm.
• The EPS (Electrical Power Steering) system features an optimized steer response gain, while the software was updated to improve steering linearity and agility. The steering gear ratio was also changed to match the new suspension and tire characteristics. Increased rigidity of the steering gearbox supporting mounts results in improved steering precision as well.
• One of the "features" of the outgoing S2000's rear suspension was its tendency to exhibit bump steer at the limits. Honda's engineers have attacked this issue from several angles. Rear toe in was reduced from -0deg 19' to -0deg 10'. At a 50mm bump deflection, toe-in has been reduced from -0.19 degrees to -0.05 degrees. Secondly, the rear roll center was lowered from 101mm to 92mm. Honda claims improved roadholding under full suspension compression or during severe body roll situations.
• Honda claims improvements in overall stability, steering accuracy/effort/feel, bump steer characteristics, wet performance/hydroplaning, high-speed stability, smooth ride comfort, choppy ride comfort, and at the limit controllability.
• steering wheel lock-to-lock increased from 2.4 to 2.6 wheel turns.
• steering ratio lowered from 13.8:1 to 14.9:1
CHASSIS
• A new cross brace at the very front of the frame (positioned horizontally, in front of the radiator),
• Reinforcements at key crossmember joints
• Additional fixing points to existing braces
• Reinforcements to the rear wheel arch bulkhead
• Front suspension upper arm brackets were strengthened, further benefiting handling.
WHEELS & TIRES
• New 17" wheels, wider in front and rear (by 0.5" and 1.0" respectively), wrapped in wider tires.
• In the front, 205/55R16s were replaced by 215/45R17 tires.
• In the rear, 245/40R17s bumped the incumbent 225/50R16s.
• Honda says both changes are key contributors to extended cornering limits.
• The tires are now Bridgestone Potenza RE050s, replacing the former model's Bridgestone Potenza S-02s.
• The new tires feature a completely different tread pattern, intended to improve the balance in performance between dry and wet conditions.
BRAKES
• To improve fade resistance and stopping power at and near the limit, the brake pad material has been changed from a non-metallic compound to a new metallic compound. The new pad material (Jurid632) provides greater frictional stability in high-temperature operating ranges.
• Master cylinder ratio has been changed from 6.5 to 6.0, resulting in an increased feel of rigidity and "build-up" quality (Honda's term for more stopping power in the latter stage of brake application under constant application). Honda claims less pedal travel is required than previously.
• The ABS system has been improved through the use of split-regulation yaw-control logic for improved stability on split-μμ surfaces when the ABS is triggered. Furthermore, though more powerful than before, the system (consisting of the CPU and modulator) has been downsized for both precious space and weight savings.
To Hondapop, whose post seems to have disappeared: Yes, which is fortunate because all the maps would be for Japan.
LOL shutdownQuote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
Silly question, but if a car is Jap Spec then surely it only has a speedo that reads to 180km/h as per every other car that is built in Japan for the Japanese market and as per Japanese legislation. I know that you can run a rev-cut defender (I have in two imports) but if you change the speedo to an Aus one then you need to start messing with the ECU as the signal changes. That is the first thing I look for when someone starts talking about a Jap build.
It also begs the question "how did it get into the country?". Private import? What are are the import tags on it? It can't be imported via SEVS and if it came in as a Victorian "rebuild" then all sorts of shit is going down over the rorting of that system and there are cars coming off the road because they aren't legally imported into the country and you should steer clear - just because a "rebuild" is on the road now, doesn't mean the govt. cant take it off you - caveat emptor. If it's just the motor/ecu/cosmetics transplanted into an Aussie spec vehicle then ask for the paperwork to prove it. If it's "Jap spec" because it was built in Japan then old mate is having you on. These are all questions you should ask before debating brakes and other differences. Otherwise, it's a unicorn - a mythical beast that people believe in, but may not actually exist.
I know speed is limited to 180kmph in Japan, but I didn't know speedometers were. Either way it's a digital speedo so unless the extra 3 segments of the first LED digit (required to make a '2') are disabled there won't be a difference.
As to how it got in the country, beats me, although I know of several other JDM imports running around so it certainly is (or was) possible.
JDM S2K speedos will not read over 180km/h even with the speed limiter bypassed:
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/3725...e-than-180kmh/
http://www.shc-forum.com/viewtopic.p...28cc180c9c5798
as a few examples. I have a feeling that while there may be a few imports running around, there are also more than a few people who are deluding themselves. While I don't believe everything I read on the net, my experience has been that if people who actually have the car (as they were brought into the respective countries) are discussing the issue, there might be some merit to questioning some claims (such as the one in the OP) that the car is JDM.
The 180 speedo setting comes from JAMA and has been in place since the '70s. It's a gentleman's agreement, not legislation but even my old widebody JDM Starion with digital dash (80s tech) had a max speedo reading of 180 as do all skylines, type Rs, S series cars, supras etc etc.
It is possible to import some cars [FD2R, NSX-Rs, etc], Personal Import as you mentioned is the only avenue but this is a very lengthy and headache process unless you know some backdoors...
hey man... id say its not a jap spec s2k.... the rims are usually bbs forged and have 6 spoke as appose the the audm having 5 and being enki.... heres a pic of mine... http://tinypic.com/r/rc7iaq/5 i know its nothing special haha but only just picked her up a month or 2 ago... and they do have a power advantage over the aus spec ones... 237 bhp (177 kW; 240 PS) @ 8,300 rpm 247 bhp, (184 kW; 250 PS) @ 8,300 rpm..
hope i helped!!!
Japp imports ftwww ;)
Robertt !!!!