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With the right setup you could make 300kws+ on stock sleeves, stock sleeves can hold a surprising amount before they start to walk/distort. 5557 is a decent size depending what your power goals are though.
Kind Regards
Thanh Nguyen
for daily 180kw and 220/250kw for drag strip the kit comes with eboost so i can have a few different boost settings.
I would say 500hp (370kw) is a good place to stop. I have noticed once the stock sleeves are taken to mid 550hp (410kw) and above the sleeve are prone to cracking.
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Originally Posted by chongy
You have notice ?
bummmpp
What are you trying to do? Daily? Drag? Track?
Max Power is a reference to our good friend, Homer Simpson.
Now.. Horse power is all dependent on your compression ratio + turbo size comparative. You can have ~8.0 compression and run a big ass turbo and have HIGH HP at a non-daily RPM.
Now.. Torque is twisting force. Again, comp ratio + turbo size. You can have ~11.0 comp and have a large turbo running small boost that kicks in a good TORQUE curve at a half decent RPM.
I am not sure on computers ( eBoost - do not know what this is ) BUT I can say one thing. Am I right in saying you essentially CANNOT have both a street and drag setup. Essentially. You can have some of this and some of that but not the best of both worlds. Correct me if I am wrong.
Good luck for your Max Power goals of 2013..
im going to try stock sleeves been reading alot on honda.tech there are a tonne of b18c's running 400hp on stock sleeves.
I would rarely turn the boost up that high for street duties 300hp would do i will make sure a get a good tuner and see how it goes
Can I ask, why would you go forged internals and chase such large power without sleeving the block? Surely if you're taking it apart and piecing together an expensive setup you'd do it for peace of mind, right?
$$$$ and for daily its only going to be running 300hp which the sleeves can take
Yeah 300 no worries as long as your tune is good. I once saw a B16A do 200kw for 6 years on OEM internals, but admittedly that's a shorter stroke. You should be fine all the same but I wouldn't chase any more power than that.
The yanks tend to go 400-450HP ATW in their B18's but that's on a US dyno, however you'd probably be fine at 350HP.
the turbo kit im getting was making 250kw on a stock b18cr and a $1000 dollar tune so im going to try a stock b18cr instead of having to have ,
to retune for a different motor
Stock B16/B18c sleeves are quite strong if you don't oversize it. As for chasing power, ill be more concern what size turbo and driveability rather then chasing a magic figures. If you want 300kw get a GT35 and wound the boost up to 20psi and see it hit that magical figure.
j never said i wanted 300kw i said the guy that owned the setup before my was running 250kw on a stock b18cr.
and i wanted to no if i should try the same setup or build a forged b18c2 i dont want to spend more then 5gs on the motor and box.
Your budget will be blownQuote:
Originally Posted by jayeg
im pretty sure i can get a b18cr for under 5 i have everything else i need for the swap besides the motor and box.
and there are a few b18c2 for sale for cheap.
i just had my b20 rebuilt for 2gs,I think i can do it for 5 easy
250kw on a stock b18c7, unless he was running E85 or race gas and some decent boost into it that figure is hard to achieve.
12psi, 98bp ulitimate, stock b18cr,250kw the turbo is a precision 5557bb turbo its rated close to 600hp
i would suggest making power with as little ignition timing as possible.. you really want to lower your cylinder pressures near tdc even if you have plenty of room for more timing..
big laggy turbos will help you get away with higher compression. a gt2871 can make 250fwkw on a 9.0:1 motor on bp ultimate. with full boost 20psi around 4250 on a b16.
just remember... go very easy on ignition timing to save your sleeves.
i popped mine on a b16 with 300fwkw on a gt30r with 20psi and around 20 degrees of timing. im sure with a super conservitive timing number that motor would have lasted alot longer..
also if your worried about the sleeves strength, then you over the power you need to worry about the piston and rod strength/suitability
What fuel was that on?
250kw dc2r did it ever run down 1/4mile?
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...ight=turbo+kit
thats the kit on got 250kw on a stock dc2r
That car was making 225kw with ignition breakdown, after the Hondata COP kit went on it made more power.
The car is fast!
i didnt buy the car just the turbo kit im hoping its going to be fast.
i want to run in the 11s thats why im trying to get help to figure out if i should run it on a stock b18cr like he did or forge a b18c2.
i want it mostly for street duties with some trips to the track
You want a HONDA to run 11s on a BUDGET motor / box... and still keep it as daily.
I don't have anything positive to say apart from; GL HF.
good old ozhonda,always somebody who thinks there no everything and have only bad things to say.
if you have nothing helpfull to say dont post.
and with the turbo kit i have i could run 11 with just forged piston's and rods and dont need to fully build everything.
I would say thats not really a negative comment, rather just commenting on the difficulty of what youre trying to do. Building a reliable 11 second car is difficult in itself, let alone a 1.8l fwd thats gonna be driven daily.
i said it would be used for street duties,not as a daily driver, i would like to be able to drive it on the weekends.
and i have a boost controller its not going to be running 250kw all the time,most of the time it would be set to around 160kw.
I will like to try get it into 11's if i can i would be happy 12's,It would be good to get a few comments on some of the questions ive asked.
LOL, comes on here commenting in a negative fashion about a "HONDA" not being able to run 11's and be reliable? Numptiesrus.
You can easily run 11's on a daily driven Honda, K swaps will do it with their eyes closed and a properly tuned turbo B series will do the same.
Its not hard at all to build 11 sec car
Mine was a daily driven EG civic hatch with a stock internal k24a3 that ran 11s only with 154kw@wheels
Good fuel economy too ( full tank can reach 500km's)
Didn't mean to sound negative about your plans nor 'HONDA'.
Obviously would be good for you to achieve this, just pointing out the time / money / dedication you will need for building engine then maintaining it on both aspects of drags / daily. I do not know what ' numptiesrus' means so.. (Y).
My 2cents.. just being real.
if i was to run e85 would i be able to run closer to 400hp stock sleeves but built
On E85 you will need to set up fuel system / fittings / seals for that... do not let it sit in tank or it will rust your tank out / corrode your lines.
i will but are the gains worth the effort or im i better off on 98
probably 98 unless you can get e85 each.. or you can try avgas. depends how how big your budget is.. nom sayin?
Get E85, you're fine. You need MONTHS of E85 sitting in fuel tanks/lines to do damage. The only maintenance precaution I suggest on running E85 is cleaning injectors more often than usual to ensure you don't run into any problems which can cause severe damage. If you are daily driving the engine you won't have any problems regarding lines, pumps, tanks.
Don't get AVGAS..... you don't need it.
Cleaning injectors if done ON CAR is not good for the car. If you put the shit in the tank then the crap from tank will be taken from bottom of tank into pump and lines then injectors and could cause blockages. Opt for OFF CAR injection clean and regular fuel filter changes if opting for higher octane fuel.
AVGAS is more readily available than E85. Well usually. Cannot comment on cost of AVGAS these days.
His question was will E85 give gains over 98oct. Yes it will but you will pay for it in petrol fees and regular maintenance.. there is always an offset price to pay.
E85 whats not to like ! 10% more power, 10-15% more torque, motor runs cooler and at $1.17/litre who cares how much ya use !
$1.17 a litre.. wow. I must be seeing things when my friends fill up. I'm going to check out the new United on Victoria Rd, Drummoyne.
Why fill up at United when just round the corner on lyons road is a Caltex with E85. Ive been running E85 for a month now and have used close to 10 tanks, yep 3 a week depending on work. As a rule E85 is generally 20c cheaper than the cheapest Unleaded. Some Caltex's are better than others, havent used United yet.
I prefer caltex E85 over united just the fact there more readily available. Been running E85 for 4 years no problem with fuel lines/pump and etc.
What idiot cleans injectors using the injector cleaner?! Get them done properly with a flow test at the same time
caltex e85 (eflex) ranges its ethanol content alot more than united e85 which is alot more consistent than eflex caltex
http://www.rexnet.com.au/forum/index...vs-united-e85/
i think i might give e85 a try more power and safer sounds good to me
People have been using e85 for ages just maje sure u oick a tuner that is well known and worked with it before
Sorry for hijacking... On the topic of stock blocks... I am currently turbocharging stock b18c2... I have been having some questions regarding head bolts....
I am using stock everything ATM but have come up to a thought about reliability... I don't want to lift the head or blow a head gasket so have been looking at remedies... ARP are obviously one... I will be getting them depending how the next thought I had goes...
Is it possible to up the torque on the standard headbolts at all to help against the excess force of the boosted combustion? Not by heaps but just enough to help minimise head lift?
If so what is the torque people used? If not then is it possible to just remove old head bolts and and install new arps without having to change anything else ie, take old bolts one by one and install arps as I go along?
Cheers
My mechanic often torqued them an extra 5-10lbs for gasket leaks but you just need to be mindful of not stretching the bolts too much.
ARP you can remove and reinstall the head several times but oem bolts you're not supposed to. Worth upgrading IMO if you're worried about it otherwise just don't worry I'd say. Should be fine.
Awesome... The engine was ment to be for another project and just had new head and head gasket and bolts installed... done about 20kms before it was decided to be taken out of that car and installed in mine... Was going to check the torque on them before dyno tuning and was hoping somebody was going to say that so I could throw some extra torque on them while I was checking them...
If it ever blows they will be replaced but till then... stock engines all the way :)
so what sort of power can the stock sleeve's take running on e85 im getting close to deciding my final setup and looking for 400hp
i would assume you would get to 400 hp less safe with e85 due to the fact that it would burn slower and need more timing for the same power. which means more cylinder pressure on the up stroke and at tdc. uless you go for higher boost so you can run less timing. which is the recipie for higher power stock sleeves anyway.
Im going with a b18c2 darton dry sleeve setup, so I will be aiming for 400hp at the track and 300/350hp for daily duties
on e85 I just don't no if my 1000cc injectors will be maxed out at that power.
Im wondering what so of 1/4mile times people have got with this sort of power in a full weight eg on semi's my gearbox is an itr box so its lsd.
Injectors will be well and truly fine for 400HP lol
I don't see whats funny if you know about e85 you would no you need to use bigger injectors
online use 1600cc with there n/a k20's on e85 I will be close to maxing out 1000cc on 400hp
who is online? they run 1600cc for each cylinder for n/a k20.. my thoughts are that they run 400cc each cylinder for a maximum of 1600cc altogether.
Keep us updated.
online performance and why are 90% of people on here comedians go spam somewhere else.
where did I say the run 1600cc per cylinder wanker.
It would be good to get some helpful advice.
The way you write it made it sound like 1600cc each cylinder .. I thought you really wanted big injectors man *sarcasm* Please right in proper sentence structure so we ( I ) can understand properly.
I explained the last few posts to my girlfriend but without her seeing what you wrote until after the test.. I compared it to 4 buckets of fish weighing 1 (ONE) kg EACH.
I fish four fish from the fond pond. I prance home and welcome my family. I then asked my family if the 4 buckets of fish were enough for the night. Using your sentence structure and vocabulary, it will sound something like this.
1. How much is in a bucket? Your response as per previous forum posts: 4kg.
2. Proceed to slap you silly with the fish.
You stateI, as an English speaking person take that well and truly as EACH INJECTOR is 1000cc.Quote:
my 1000cc injectors will be maxed out at that power.
If I was building a engine, would it not be a normal occurence to state that the injectors you are looking to use are 250cc .. and help me, as a forum reader, understand that for a 4 cylinder vehicle, you will be indeed running 250cc injectors for a total of 1000cc overall.
Moderators or anyone? Am I asking for too much as a concerned OzHonda citizen? Is this blasphemy? I'm crazy aren't I.
and your still a wanker.
as an English speaking person, you should be able to read post useful info. and a set of 1000cc injectors is a set of 1000cc injectors.
you should tip one of those buckets over your head and and go talk shit somewhere else.
As a rule of thumb, when people say xxxCC injectors, thats the rating for each injector. Ask any mechanic that. They'll agree.
So if they say you need 400cc injectors to have xxHP. that means each injector is 400cc. Not 400cc injectors = 4x100cc injectors
you go to any store and ask for 1000cc injectors, they will give you 1000cc each injector.Quote:
Originally Posted by jayeg
http://www.sonicperformance.com.au/B...njector/pd.php
youre one funny guy you know that
i thought everyone on this forum would know this
guess earth is still flat ay
correct, as far as im aware, alot of E85 guys, im talking dragsters tend to run 2000cc injectors with power goals 900 - 1200hp plus, and with additional injectors either on the plenum or the intake itself, eg. Skyline GTR RB28dett 12 X 1500cc injectors :OQuote:
Originally Posted by PHO
Problem with E85 is u really do need big injectors, so in ur case, get the biggest u can get, anywhere from 800 - 1000cc imo would be what id opt for, reasons being if u do plan on more power less stuff needed later on
E85 is a totally different ball game, i do wanna play with it, but no local fuel servos stock it for me :(
So you're a mechanic and you didn't know that when speaking of injector sizing, it is measured per injector and not combined ? Lol wowQuote:
Originally Posted by raidbaws
6 cyl is a different game. nismo 555cc in a RB (6cyl) could be the same as running nismo 740's in a SR (4cyl) given you want both to flow the same/same hp.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
750cc would be maxed out for 400hp on a 4cyl e85
ID1000 would be your best bet for 400hp e85 out of a 4cyl.
thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by dc2r-0636
What do you mean? I did know.. that is what my whole rant is about? That I know if someone says 1000cc injectors, they mean 1000cc each injector.Quote:
So you're a mechanic and you didn't know that when speaking of injector sizing, it is measured per injector and not combined ? Lol wow
you don't give up common sense would tell you its per injector like said.
Your first posted sounded like u were talking about all the injectors together equal 1600ccQuote:
Originally Posted by raidbaws
at no point did I say combined 1600cc so looks like I have another genius on my handsQuote:
Originally Posted by dc2r-0636
I want useful info stop posting shit talking
Did you not notice that I'm talking to "raidbaws" and not you? You fukn spasticQuote:
Originally Posted by jayeg
The way things are going you're never guna turbo your car. U want answers? Go to ur tuner and he will tell u what injectors you need you brain dead
He knows everything already
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/...rys2/qospO.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by dc2r-0636
i like it when we're all happy
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/customa...ar2484_212.gif
Just so you know I was only having a 'lol' (more like internal/silent sn!gger tbh) because I'm confident your 1,000cc's will be more than adequate to hit 400HP and that your concern wasn't necessary.
In a real life conversation it would have sounded more like:
'Haha (controlled laugh) relax bro, no need to stress, your injectors will be more than enough'.
Nothing malicious intended.
nah not you other people seem to forget its a website to help other Honda owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by dougie_504
but the want to act stupid and make everything into a joke
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Originally Posted by dc2r-0636
Haha x2Quote:
Originally Posted by TbM
inb4closethread
Like my POST? why not add it with a +REP point!Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2r-0636
can this get closed b4 more smart ass,s post sgit
Have requested a close for you. I can't do it sorry
"I demand you help me whilst i call you a wanker"Quote:
Originally Posted by jayeg
What's going on in here gents?
I think you seriously misjudge Ozhondas reputation on the internet..Quote:
Originally Posted by jayeg
But like everyone said, please post up your questions in a properly structured sentance, otherwise you ask a silly question, you get a silly answer...