Hi guys,
I'm looking to locate an experienced tuner in Melbourne for my supercharged nsx.
I running AEM EMS and would like to find someone who's had experience with this ECU if possible.
Can anyone help me with this?
Cheers
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Hi guys,
I'm looking to locate an experienced tuner in Melbourne for my supercharged nsx.
I running AEM EMS and would like to find someone who's had experience with this ECU if possible.
Can anyone help me with this?
Cheers
Maybe Steve from msc performance can help you out??
Drop me a PM as I have affiliated myself with one of the most reliable tuners in Melbourne who has had plenty of experience with boosted Honda's
are his initials a k ?Quote:
Originally Posted by stndrd
Nah its OTRQuote:
Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T
Oscar tran racing.
No we are not affiliated with A.K Motorworks
I will highly recomend Steve from MSC in Reservoir 94695282
Or Craig from PSR Tuning in Ringwood 0421997433
Both know their shit and are amazing tuners...
Good luck with it...
Ive heard cbauto is pretty good, not too sure though
Thanks for your replies guys.
I will checkout those tuners and see where things go.
Any more suggestions?
Cheers
Trent. Speak to stndrd about him. Gets my vote.
Trent is very reputable but I can't recommend chasers (footscray division) enough. Paul has tuned a few of my cars including a boosted Honda and they are always high power, safe afrs, excellent timing and GREAT fuel economy. I've been to springy motors, re customs and c&d and they all suck as I had to retune my car each time.
Paul at chasers has been recomended to me by my suspension specialist. Paul tuned his sport sedan 20b rotary and its lasted a few seasons of racing and has had no problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by xenonkuraz
I tried to get him to tune it in november last year but he was overseas at the time.
whats the afr on crusing and wot?Quote:
Originally Posted by xenonkuraz
how many kms a full tank you get?
Why does everybody think they are an expert when it comes to tuning? AFR is no direct measurement of a quality of a tune - obviously there is a difference if he has tuned the fuel map to be in the 14's at WOT (conventional Honda engine here, no smart arses please) - but if one engine is tuned to be 12.0:1 WOT and 13.5:1 WOT? Honestly, can you guys tell me safely WHY one is better than the other without having your own data to the tune? No.
Paul, I'll give you my honest word of advice here - I don't know what the tuning scene is like in Melbourne for Hondas, but generally tuners in this country are experienced mechanics who decided to start tuning and over time, they got better. These types of people may understand and know how to apply their experience, but they will be learning all over again if they haven't tuned an NSW previously. On an engine as rare as yours, I would play it safe and take it to an educated tuner who is well renown for doing exactly that, tuning. In Sydney I can think of very few people I would trust.
Not to discredit what Chris has just said,
Paul from chasers may have started as a mechanic, but before he started tuning our cars - he tuned F1 cars.
Paul?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chr1s
Paul is a tuner at chasers.
Not sure i get where your coming from.
I do want to take it to the best tuner i can find. thats the point of this thread.
They may be a rare engine but its just a 3L V6 double overhead cam v tech engine.
Nothing a experienced tuner couldnt handle.
That's not strictly true...
An experience tuner with your car and engine will have the necessary know how to bring out the best and in the least amount of time. Yes any tuner can tune whatever engine be it piston, rotary, V12, W16, etc. However how well they can do it and how efficiency they can get that result is a different matter.
If that tuner is inexperience with your car, engine or ECU, you'll be the guinea pig.
You can hardly call a C30A 3L V6 DOHC Quad Cam VTEC conventional... Add to that it's been supercharged... I do fear however unlike in JP or US, AUS doesn't have many experience C30/32 tuners?
Just like my old car, 4A-GE 20V, its just a 1.6L that's been modified in every angle internally and externally. Sure I could just take it to anyone and hope they're good enough to get my car working on pump fuel running dizzy heights of compression, ITBs, etc... But I took it to my personal tuner who knows 4AG 20V inside out. He did a fanatistic job, nothing got damaged, none of my datalogs showed extremities being reached and didn't have to charge me for many pointless hours groping around.
All engines have their own special characteristics too.
Btw this is not to discredit Paul, I'm sure he's a great tuner...
Thats the issue.
There are not many tuners who have experience with my engine.
I never called my engine conventional. in its day it was quite advanced but these days every car company is making engines with variable valve timing and multiple cams.
Regarding the AEM EMS, it is a very simple windows based ECU that is alot simpler to tune vs motech or haltech so i wouldnt think it would be an issue for a good tuner to get his head around.
In a perfect world i would love to have an expert in nsx's tuning my car but that probably is'nt going to happen so my next best option is to find the best tuner i can.
fly Bisi over from usa
Sorry, I thought Paul was the OP's name - I have never met or dealt with Paul from Chasers so my comment has nothing to do with him.
Funky, yes and no - the modern tuner will upload a basemap close enough to the car that they think is suitable, with an engine like yours, chances are they won't have that luxury so they will have to start from scratch, and that's where the trouble comes from....
Another comment I would like to make, asking on a forum will always get you no where about which tuner to go to - there is good and bad stories with all, if you dig hard enough. - make a list of those mentioned on a forum, take peoples horror stories with a grain of salt and go see the person face to face to get a real verdict of your own, there is always two sides to the story, and yes there is the classic "the customer is always right" but when it comes to tuning cars - I tend to disagree.
The more you know, the more you don't !
I have a base map already supplied by Science of speed in the states with 80% of the tune and the car has had its first tune already and done 300km since the tune.
I'm increasing the boost so i want a new tune done and i'm not happy with the first tune so i would like to find another tuner.
Why i started this thread is to find out if anyone has experience with my engine and ECU but that may be a long shot.
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Originally Posted by funkynsx
I know what you mean ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadAngel
who tuned it the first time???
JPC in Thomastown.Quote:
Originally Posted by IEVAQ8
I went with them because i couldnt get it booked in with Chasers at the time and JPC had tuned a nsx engine and supercharger in a race buggy so it was my best option at the time.
The car runs great but it had a lower than expected WHP (350WHP) but that could be a quirk of the dyno.
Now i'm upping the boost to 11psi and my target hp will be around 430WHP.
^^^^^sorri i cant quote atm...
i think i know wat ur problem is...
PLZ PLZ PLZ......DONT take any offence to the below...
i have used a SOS charger kit on a close friends S2K...
runs perfect...great kit...
does everything its suposed to...
my mate was like u...
he was held up on the fact his final power figure was low....
both ur problems...and many people here in AUS...
USA power figures CAN NOT b compared to ours...not 1 lil bit...they use different dynos and they calculate HP diferently...
the only dynos u can compare are the dyno dynamics HUB dynos as they are calibrated the same...
i took the S2K to 2 different tuners on 2 different dyno's and neither tuner could better the others tune or make.any.more power than originally made...
hope it goes well for u...& my words have somewat settled ur aim for power...
Ah...the good ole lets find a new tuner until I get more power syndrome.........
350whp from a car that makes approx 275hp at the engine?
Sounds great to me once you consider a little drivetrain loss...
HP numbers are irrelevant.
I'm judging the car on the power it had before and raising the boost 2psi will get it where i want it.
It already flies.
Its got so much torque that in 3rd gear at 40KMH it will still sink you back in its seat and due to the engine being over the rear wheels it gets amazing traction aswell.
Thats part of the reason but really i want someone to double check AFR and so on.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Chr1s
im also curious, any pics of ur bay and how its all mounted...
build thread???
I dont have any engine bay pics but you can check out Science of speed website in the supercharger section and they have the same set up.
http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/NSX/
much better reason. Tuning is not a black art and if youve got a starting map it should only be a matter of how fast its done. The biggest difference between a 'good' tuner and the others that ive seen is in part throttle areas and the transient throttle response that resulted. Why was that tuner better? He had an engine dyno and the right equipment(electronic throttle control, precise boost control< ect)... not too many places have that available to them and thus 4d maps are a PITA.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkynsx
good luck getting it sorted, would be very interested to see the tune if possible :)
Transient throttle response is generally down to your throttle based enrichments, it of course needs a satisfactory base map for fuel, which is dead easy to achieve.
Part throttle tuning is yes, overlooked most of the time...
Forgive me if I have misunderstood you Chernobyl1, but why would an engine tuner tune an engine with an electronic throttle, "precise" boost control, etc and then refit the car with manual gear? The car to be tuned is the way it should come into the shop and leave the same way unless something needs modifying... to go changing things for the sake of tuning is just ridiculous.
throttle based enrichment if your running a map/maf based tune, but not so much in other tuning methods (eg: tps vs rpm).
But yea that was more of a comment on part throttle tuning (ive driven some shockingly tuned cars, fine for full throttle but not much else)
By electronic throttle i dont mean replacing the throttle body, shouldve probably said computer controlled throttle. If its a drive by wire system simple provide fake inputs to it, if its a cable system its a device that attaches to the cable and pulls on it depending on what you request.
The precise (aka computer controlled) boost control is simply to save time. Lets say youre trying to tune an area where the turbo is spooling. Its hard to maintain the transient state, so its just easier to limit the boost to simulate it. Of course youd still have to verify it without the artificial limitation.
Its the same things as adding sensors. When i saw the guy i refereed to as a 'good' tuner go at it, took him nearly a whole day just rigging the engine up lol. One of the things i remember was him having 4 map sensors (in addition to the one used by the ecu) as well as like 6 water temp sensors. Id say it would be similar to the lengths an oem goes to to tune their cars (he was in that industry before he retired)
^ Incorrect.
Even with TPS vs RPM (Alpha-N) based tuning there is throttle enrichment compensations. Without them your engine would lean cut (hesitation) on rapid change of TP.
To be honest, no tuner in this country will fit a DBW or "precise" turbo controller for the sake of steady state tuning. Something which you can't really do on engines at high load/rpm anyway.
thats way beyond my knowledge of tuning.
All i want is it to go hard and not blow up. lol
Do you have a dyno printout of your current power curve?
For the time being, if this tuner you go to knows half decent what his doing and isn't surrounded by 50 engines being rebuilt, chances are he knows what's going on. From what I've noticed, most good tuning shops are clean, organised and concentrate on tuning, not welding exhausts and building engines. But I am purely speculating here, everbody starts off somewhere and ends up transitioning at some point... so take that with a grain of salt.
Finding tuners who are experienced with the software will go along way before even tuning a car..
Ive always seen it done as map based enrichment (drastic change in tps, look at map and enrich accordingly)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chr1s
Never actually seen an engine dyno room without a dbw interface (granted ive only seen engine dynos at universities doing experimental setups).Quote:
Originally Posted by Chr1s
My bad lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkynsx
This might also sound stupid...
But how are you increasing the boost on your setup?
Chr1s, any recommendations on "good" tuners in the Sydney area?
Smaller pulley.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadAngel
I'm going from 102mm to a 91mm pulley.
probably will get a 2-3psi increase in boost
Chernobyl, which university engine test cells have you seen? Our engine dyno has no provision of DBW but we did want to put one on for the reasons you mentioned earlier.
rossrider - Scott from Insight Motorsport.
do you work there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chr1s
Stuttgart, FH munich, zwickau, braunschweig and in Aus, Rmit. I'm not in the mechanical/automotive field but id be surprised if more aus uni's didnt have them, cant see how youd test new research without it properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chr1s
edit: The germans had it when i was there in '08 so im just assuming they have it still (if it hasnt been superseded).
Yeah, you would think most uni's have one, but there are some who don't have one - like UTS.
Mocchi, no I don't
Man SoS did use quite a big pulley lol =PQuote:
Originally Posted by funkynsx