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Thinking about buying a type s dc5 but wanted someone to help me engine wise. Can anyone tell me what the power is like in one, if the vtec is any good (ie crossover and what not) or is it completly shit compared to a type r engine wise?
sorry for the stupid question
It's about the same, i currently own a DC5R which has the K20a2 engine. If you prefer leather seats go for the DC5S which is the Sport model, or you could be a boy racer and get a DC5R which in some people's case it's more untamed than the DC5S.
test drive one
And use the search function.
Sean.
So doesnt feel too much different apart from the interior and shit? still pulls alright?
The type s is slow.
Power to Weight ratio is only like 110kW/per tonne. Which is really nothing. There's a reason why its a Type S and not a Type R.
That power to weight ratio, if your looking for power an em1 will be just as fast.
Type R power to weight DC5R - stock is like 126kw/per tonne.
Well I guess my type r is a turd then. Since it has a k20z1 in it from a type s.
To OP the engines are the same. In fact theoretically the k1 is a bit faster but the type s gearbox doesnt have an lsd which is the huge downfall of the type s.
If you were to choose. Either is fine. But if you get an type s. Make sure you put an lsd.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by amant02
go race a type s, it'd be down to the driver, wouldn't be much in it
the type r is slow
LOL you talk so much smack, the weight differences between the two are minimal.Quote:
Originally Posted by amant02
really?Quote:
Originally Posted by amant02
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OP speed wise theyre not that different,just depends if you prefer more track orientated car or a bit of luxury with the S
and for crossover,just put a pod filter and both will roar lol
http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/resea...&Ridx=0&eapi=2
http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/resea...&Ridx=4&eapi=2
Learn to do your research,
I test drove both before buying the Type R.
The Type S was not much faster then my em1. Hence why i made that comparison.
The Type R feels faster, not much. But it is noticeable.
Look I know its only 7kW and 70kg difference here + LSD.
Its up to you OP. The power delivery felt better in the R.
exTrix the z1 makes more power. But the S weights more mate.
Please check my reference to red book if you have commented and do not own one.
Yes I do agree the better driver will win if they raced. But its been driven by op aka same driver.
em1 best car broQuote:
Originally Posted by amant02
aint a tight car if it aint a type r bro
The weight difference is only 70 killograms. How on earth did you end up with a result for 16kw difference per tonne?Quote:
Originally Posted by amant02
OP. Like many others have said. They are both neck in neck and are the same in terms of "speed". The only real difference is that the type r has LSD and recaros. Even if you heading to track the type s is more than capable.
At the end of the day choose it based on your taste of the look you prefer more, don't just buy a type r for wank factor "bro i have a type r must be fast".
R comes before S, so R must be very car fast
Jimmys rustled. All those benny wasps must've stirred him up.Quote:
Originally Posted by eLtrix
This bloke has owned both before. He speaks truth.
Does the lsd offer much noticible difference?
imo you need an lsd to have fun in a fwd (depends what your definition of fun is though..)
In saying that i've never drivin a type s, can't imaging it would have the best corner exit power down lol
But as others have said, depends on what you want out of the car, can't really go wrong with either car as long as they are well looked after, can always change lsd if you buy a type s later on down the track, can do final drive, clutch and flywheel while you're at it.
Seriously go and organize some test drives man, thats the best way to do it, get a feel for both cars.
OP, Buy the Type R if you want a race car. Buy the Type S if your after a daily.
The type s is newer then the R.
LSD will make a good difference. If you have the dollars, buy the Type S, when the clutch change comes around invest in a LSD or buy the DC5R gearbox.
You can read w.e everyone has to say about my posts, at the end of the day the type r is a faster car out of factory. (if your racing for the 10th of seconds)
For LSD there are a few good treads already, use the search, I think Mfactory or Qualife are the choice of the community atm. Ill be upgrading my LSD when my clutch comes around. OEM don't like to trashed for a long period of time.
Even thou people say type R is the wank factor, the red badge does mean something at the end of the day. There is also a reason why Type R is worth the same as a Type S in todays market. Even thou the Type S is newer.
Also to correct myself.
Type R Power to Weight - 126.7 (W/kg)
Type S Power to Weight - 125.2 (W/kg)
Type R still wins, with a weaker motor.
Thanks for your comments guys, i think the thing i wanna know from someone with experience is that if you put your foot to the floor in a type s will it go pretty hard? and also any cars that can compare to a type s would be greatful
cheers
can't believe this shitty debate still goes on............
Seriously buddy, they're both going to feel the same especially if you're asking us this question rather than test driving it. Everyone's 'feeling' is highly subjective and there's no way you'll be able to accurately gauge which is better since you're talking about less than a 5% difference in power. In terms of their torque curves, you won't notice it either. The people who throw numbers and power figures around for these two cars are just comparing an apple and a slightly newer apple. Tastes the same but the newer one costs a bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexRichardson
Omg mate I own a type s havnt havnt lost to type r dc5 yett. And Iv raced tuned R aswell. Truth is there minimal differences. 70kg I dont think would be noticable in a car .its like sayin ur car loses a noticable amount of power for filling up fuel..
http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/resea...&Ridx=0&eapi=2
http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/resea...&Ridx=4&eapi=2
Why does it say under 'Standard Equipment' that the Type S also has Limited Slip Differential? So confused.
I have a Type S and found a Type R Lsd for cheap, does anyone know if it is worth installing ?
Don't take Redbook as gospel...
Its usually reliable for basic information [Weight, Chassis Code, Engine Code] but outside of that beware lol
No the Type S doesn't come with LSD.Quote:
Originally Posted by IntegraTS
IF you happen to find one cheap and you plan on changing clutch and such then it is worth while putting it in. What I did when I changed my clutch, made a hell of a difference.
Like I've said many times the real only major difference between a Type S and an Type R is the name and the LSD the Type R comes factory with. Everything else is really the same and not noticably different.
Also as Admant may have said the Type R may be 1/10 of a second faster but that 1/10 of a second will be more judged by the driver skill than the car itself. During my time in the Honda scene I've seen many Type S shit on Type Rs and vice versa in relatively standard modded cars with bolt ons, the major difference in these cases were the driver.
When you say it 'made hell of a difference' what exactly could you notice after putting in the lsd?
I'm getting mine second hand for $250 and someone in Springvale said that they can put it in for me for $350 so all up its $600 :/
Can you notice more power going to the ground?
You don't really know what an lsd does do you? It doesn't increase power dude. In layman terms it's how your torque is distributed when the car detects wheelspin relative to another of the front wheels
I am assuming this is a backyarder?? Who is this in Springvale?
Find out what an LSD does and you will figure out why an LSD is important.
Tbh in all honesty I have a m factory in my s n if anything I felt power loss but when I say this, my car isnt wheel spining as much nd is griping more but my ass dyno says its not as quik due to the more smoother acceleration
the reason the type s is heavier is due to a sunroof 2 extra airbags and air con if they arnt things you want then go the type r as far as the power goes chances are there going to be on 130,000+ kms really some cars can be down a shitload of power by then if there not taken care of so realistically u can have a type s with a shitload less power than a type r due to a harsh life vise versa. just try and find 1 that has been taken care of i have a type s and i find no need for a lsd just invest in decent tires and you can take off like a rocket and leave a corner full throttle without wheel spin also if ur thinking on modding ur honda to a point where this could become a problem then you will be wanting shorter diff gears and properly a stronger diff anyway so just invest a lsd with them already