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hey, there was a question about the B16A and the SR20DET in the civic forum, and i raised the question of a H22A against a SR20DET in the S15.
i reckon it's fairling close, giving that the S15 is within 1/2 a car length ahead.
what you guys think? (without any bias responses to the H22A of course!)
*please add your vote to your replies, cheers fellas!
(not ripped)
Hey
The beaty of S15s and the like is that there is extra performance forever, and at a better price than a fast H22A prelude....
If I could have found an S15 for the same price as my Gen 5 'lude, then I prolly would have bought one. They are not as nice to drive though. But they are faster standard, and barely any NA modified lude will ever keep up... ludes are tubby too, S15s are quite light.
I would say it may come close....
..to a JDM S15 Spec S :)
in a striaght line, stock for stock...down to the driver...it IS possibel fro a 5th gen to beat an s15, but the prelude driver needs to know the car....
as for everything else...there was a comparison a few years back wrx v 5th gen v s15 v new celica......basically they said that if the prelude had more power, it would be the best car there...
the fact remains people.
The most efficient way to put power to the ground is to PUSH not pull.
Go figure.
Or even better, both simultanously :P
yea beny it's always up to the driver..
and XXpl05ive JDM S15 Spec S? you mean the non-turbo?
is it the j-spec Spec S that are non-turbo or the oz-specs?
You have to be trippin if you think a Prelude is going to stay anywhere near a S15.. I have driven both and while the Lude isnt a slouch the S15 sh!ts on it.. start modifying hem and whatch the difference blow out even more..
Im guessing on a quarter mile, equal drivers, the stock 200sx would pull about 2-3 carlengths easily....
With mods, 200sx would pull even more...
Prelude designed to be more of a luxury cruiser rather than an all out track warrior...
But i love hondas, so GO THE PRELUDE!! hehe :)
I like Honda's but the S15 is my favourite car!
I love them!
I have been in a few worked ones and standard...
I'd say the S15 would eat it....
The SR20 is a classical motor!
Jason
jdm spec s? jdm type s?
well think about this..
S15 has turbo lag, while the lude has early kick of vtec.
so for about up to 100kmph they'll be fairly even.
afterwards the S15 rips it bigtime.
i reckon it's pretty good for a n/a to keep up with a ball-bearing turbo.
VTEC != Turbo
If you're talking about a stock S15, then there is virtually no lag...
well it's been retold that the vtec hold more than the S15 in 1st and 2nd gear just edging forward but then the turbo lag kicks in and jumps forward at every gear change.
H22A is 147kw and 219nm @ 5500. But it just wont compare to the torque the SR20DET produces 147kw and 265nm of torque, to help lug it off the line.
That, and as stated by ben before, it's RWD.
You can't compare the 2 cars!
You can compare the S15 to a WRX or a Supra!
Even with "V-Tec" it is no match to either car above!
An S2000 would go closer then the Prelude...
fellas fellas fellas..
you guys seem to be looking at the figures too much! i know it does contribute but think, with S15 being FR and the lude being FF launching from stop and gear ratios of each matter alot.
on paper the S15 is undoubtably faster but on the road the lude isn't that far behind.
How close is the integra type r vs the prelude?
The ITR is about half a second behind the 200sx which would equate to about 1 to 1.5 carlengths on a quarter mile.. i have never gone against a 200sx from a standstill however from rolling was about equal (neither car pulled)...
If the ITR cant beat the 200sx, the lude will have no hope..
The s15 200sx has no turbo lag, just heaps of torque down low, with the h22 or any other vtec engine, you need revs before it hits its powerband (vtec lobe) by that time the superior torque of the turbo engine will have a decent lead and the prelude wont be able to catch it..
hmm.. my friend has a gen5, can't launch for peanuts but he jumps ahead of the S15 coz of vtec..
oh well..
ITR/Prelude
- The Prelude has 30Nm more torque than an ITR
- Prelude's get's beaten by ITR, big factor is the Preludes bulky fat of an extra 300kg
- I couldn't even keep up with booget's VTi-R, let alone a Type-R ;)
Prelude/S15
To sum up:
- S15 has MORE torque than a Prelude
- S15 weighs another 200kg LESS
- S15 is RWD
- S15 will own, assuming that both drivers are equal (as with all races).
ITR vs S15 would be a better race to watch.
lol well sumed up XXpl05ive! end of story.
btw man i like the monkey!
Just add a few breathing mods to the S15 and it'll rip the lude, even with the same mods.
Stock for stock....I haven't been in a VTIR lude, but I've been in a DC2R and I still reckon the S15 will rip that straight line.
someone with a vtir lude go run a s15 and see what happens :P.... my bet is on the s15 hhehehehe
I did my VTiR Vs a Spec S GT (looks ugly with big "factory" wing I reckon) yesterday on President Ave @ Miranda.. I win, but S15 had 1 passenger and might have been auto... but I still won (by not a lot, could have been driver related). So yeah, VTiRs are quick, but a totally different car to an S15...
I dont think a gen 5 prelude can beat an S15 off the line but rolling start it would come pretty close.. with both drivers at equal skills. This is stock to stock.. if modded.. the driver of the s15 would be :wave: to the lude driver..
:D :D :D :D
Considering a JDM S15 Spec R has 186kw Standard (prolly more like 200), it should be minced meat for the lude
It was a standing start, and I caught him out, he wasn;t really paying attention. Unlike myself, who was thinking of this thread, and needed 4500RPM launch practices...
of course the j-spec S15 would rip mieces into pieces! (yes mieces is deliberately spelt like that..)
lol McChook he didn't even notice you.. :cry:
not until he heard the wheelspin off the line. Which I guess makes it fair, coz a FWD lude isn;t gonna have a chance then... but then he made every attempt to catch up (for a far wile I must say), but the damage was done.
Finally someone with some knowledge!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenon
Xenon, i totally agree with you!
I have been in a Gen 5 Prelude, cos my brother was going to buy one so he drive his mates first and also alot at the dealership but i have also been in a S15 (FHRX) and even to think the Prelude would win is stupid...
If the Prelude beats the S15 what does the DC5R Type R and S2000 beat?
Because the Prelude has no chance against both of them!
According to some people on here the S2000 would beat a GT2 because of V-Tec...
Honeslty, look at power to weight ratio's, gear ratio's and what each engine has to offer, and you will finally understand why the S15 would kill it...
Thats all i have to say!
do you know what turbo lag is bro?Quote:
Originally Posted by n/a
the newer generation sr20dets with variable cam timing and ball bearing turbos has pretty much no lag to speak of...with LSD and RWD...is there any competition worth speaking of????
s15 will rip a prelude. if u put a good driver in a prelude then itll come close, but put a good driver in a s15, and wot do u have? an s15 that shits over a prelude...... strraight line that is :)
put 2 good drivers in a lude and an s15 ....send them off on a track, and guess who will come first...
i really dont think a prelude would come close to an s15 in a straight line or in corners...despite how much i like preludes and how much i want my old one back...there's no comparison really....
guard-rail.. my fault.. i keep forgeting that the S15's has a ball-bearing turbo..Quote:
newer generation sr20dets with variable cam timing and ball bearing turbos
Would someone lock this thread, it's finished...
We all know there are no comparsion's between the two cars!