Integra Type R Detailed info needed

Can someone please fill in the features of the integra Type R (Both DC2 and DC5). I have listed what I know off the top of my head, if someone can fill in the rest, cheers.

PS: Do not guess, only reply if you know 100% what the answer is.

DC5 Integra Type R
Engine: K20A 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC 147kW@7400RPM, 192N.m@6000rpm
Specific: CR 11:1, Cutou@7900rpm
Drivetrain: 6 Speed close ratio, 4.764 FD, Helical LSD(same as JDM)
Weight: 1160Kg
Brakes(F/R): Ventilated Disks 300mm Disks, large single piston calipers/Disks. ABS
Suspension(F/R): Macpherson Strut/Double Wishbone.
Handling: Rear sway bar (19 mm), front Sway bar (23 mm), front upper strut brace
Standard features: Airbags, Power windows/steering/mirrors, Recaro buckets seats, Momo leather steering wheel, Aluminium shifter.
Additional: Bridegstone RE030 205/55/16, Enkei alloy wheels (16x6.5), JDM bodykit/chassis

DC2 Integra Type R
Engine: B18C7 1.8L DOHC VTEC 141kW@7,900RPM
Specific: CR 11:1, Cutout@8,500rpm.
Drivetrain: 5 Speed close ratio, Limited Slip Differential (LSD)
Weight: 1087Kg
Brakes(F/R): Ventilated Disks xx mm / Disks. ABS
Suspension(F/R): Double wishbone/Double wishbone.
Handling: Rear sway bar (22mm), front Sway bar (24mm), front upper strut brace, rear tower brace.
Standard features: Airbags, Power windows/steering/mirrors, Recaro buckets seats, Momo leather steering wheel, titanium shifter.
Additional Info: VTEC engagement@5700rpm

Anything else?

Might want to mention about the LSD too!

DC5R has it, not sure about DC2R

The dc5r:
147kw @ 7400rpm
192nm @ 6000rpm
1160kg

The dc2r:
vtec engagement at 5700rpm
redline at 8400rpm
fuel cutoff at 8500
B18C7 (aussie), B18C is good enough for the code
displacement is 1797cc
1087kg
LSD
compression ratio 11.1
sway bar (F/R): 24mm/22mm

Both have Momo leather steering wheel, titanium gear knob

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Originally posted by dc2r:
B18C7 (aussie), B18C is good enough for the code

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I reckon we should list the full engine codes (just for the sake of being thorough)...

If my memory is right B18C5 is the US ITR engine and B18C4 is the Aussie VTi-R engine code (mine!), but that isn't a TypeR i guess...

Can I ask what this info is needed for anyway?

And if you want full engine codes, then the dc5r is, and don't quote me on this and correct me if I'm wrong, K20A2?

Also, the dc5r vtec engagement is across the whole rev range. From memory I think it kicks in twice? But you cannot feel it like the dc2r. Hence the term i-vtec (standing for intelligent).

While we're asking, anyone know the Final Drive Ratio of a DC2 R?, And also a DC2 VTI-R?

dc2r I'm not sure about that statement with vtec across the rev range. Have you been in a DC5R? There is most definently an engagement point at 6k. Hell you notice it!

This info is to be posted in the sticky so that we don't have to keep answering it when someone asks (which is usually quite often!).

With the DC5, it is still a 2 stage VTEC with one engagement. I think what you mean by 'over the whoe range' is that with i-vtec, cam timing is continually variable. Also the VTEC crossover is a lot smoother than the DC2.

shift knob for dc5 is aluminium, not titanium.
DC5 fuel cut-out is 7,900rpm
DC5 front sussy is macpherson strut
DC5 rear sussy is double-wishbone
DC5 front discs are 300mm
DC5 rear discs are (i dunno :p)

DC5 and DC2 have LSD

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Originally Posted by Hadean

DC5 fuel cut-out is 7,900rpm

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Sure?

pretty sure... ;)
The australian spoon distributor told me this.

Vtec comes on at 6000rpms in a DC5R....

From my experience, the rev limiter/cut out, comes in anywhere between 8000-8500 depending how hard your driving the car...

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Originally Posted by Integra_guy

dc2r I'm not sure about that statement with vtec across the rev range. Have you been in a DC5R? There is most definently an engagement point at 6k. Hell you notice it!

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Sorry, I have not been in a DC5R (but I wish I could, can someone take me for a ride? :D ). I just heard/read this information about the i-vtec somewhere. They say that the i-vtec kicks in first at around 3K then 6K?? I'm not 100% sure, but just my thoughts anyway. But some of these guys have already corrected me so it's cool. And as I said, when the i-vtec kicks in, it is not as noticeable as the DC2R. So who's gonna give me a demo? I'll give you a demo of my DC2R! :P

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Originally Posted by JayDC5R

Vtec comes on at 6000rpms in a DC5R....

From my experience, the rev limiter/cut out, comes in anywhere between 8000-8500 depending how hard your driving the car...

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I see it to in the DC5R, it looks like it goes to 8000+ rpm, but I'm told it's 7,900pm

Yes, this can be the fact for the DC2R also. The redline is at 8400, then the cutout is at 8500. But if you drive your car hard, then the momentum of the needle gets pushed further (physics) and it looks like it cuts out at 8700 or 8800. You shouldn't really be cutting out your revs, but sometimes you get into it so much that you 'accidentally' over rev and it happens.

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Originally Posted by dc2r

Yes, this can be the fact for the DC2R also. The redline is at 8400, then the cutout is at 8500. But if you drive your car hard, then the momentum of the needle gets pushed further (physics) and it looks like it cuts out at 8700 or 8800. You shouldn't really be cutting out your revs, but sometimes you get into it so much that you 'accidentally' over rev and it happens.

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That is true in the case of instrument clusters with needles driven by coil-pack and spring. Some instrument clusters are driven by stepper motors that don't have momentum swing.

I believe that DC5R and DC2R instrument cluster needles are cross-coil & spring which exhibit momentum swing if the needle accelerates through the dial fast enough. That's why although the display of DC5R fuel-cut out may sometimes display 8000 8100 or 8300, the actual engine fuel cut-out is 7,900rpm

spot-on howard and why certain DC2R's can rev to 9K 'indicated' like my previous one....

cheers

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Originally Posted by Hadean

I believe that DC5R and DC2R instrument cluster needles are coil-pack which exhibit momentum swing if the needle accelerates through the dial fast enough. That's why although the display of DC5R fuel-cut out may sometimes display 8000 8100 or 8300, the actual engine fuel cut-out is 7,900rpm

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Oh ok then, that would explain why it look like it cuts out later... :oops: :)

I've had my DC5R fuel cutout come in at 8400. Very noticable!

Redline it slowly... you'll see that i'm right.

Also, cross-coil needles are about 2 to 3 degree inaccurate. Whereas stepper-motor driven ones are about 1 degree inaccurate.

So you have momentum swing & display inaccuracies. I'm still not 100% sure whether the DC5s use cross-coils or not. Only way to find out is to find out the supplier who makes those clusters or to pull one apart to see for oneself.

Also, cross-coil is a older technology and is more expensive due to the length of time to make them compared to using stepper-motors.

So maybe the Honda cluster is in fact a stepper motor drive? I'm truly guessing here, but I still suspect it's a cross-coil cluster.

umm i think the jdm final drive is 4.79,

the audm is 4.9 i think???

I can find the exact figures on honda-tech but too busy at the lab!!!

read the honda manual to reveal all! ;)

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Originally Posted by Jnr Teggy

read the honda manual to reveal all! ;)

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Does someone mind doing this? :)

hahah!...surely there is a shop manual somewhere on the web!

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Originally Posted by wynode

DC5 Integra Type R
Engine: K20A 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC 147kW@7400RPM, 192N.m@6000rpm
Specific: 11:1 , cutout: 7900rpm
Drivetrain: 6 Speed close ratio, 4.764 FD,
Helical LSD(same as JDM)
Weight: 1160Kg
Brakes(F/R): Ventilated Disks 300mm (front) Disks w/ large single piston calipers (same as S2K). ABS
Suspension(F/R): Macpherson Strut (front)/Double Wishbone (rear).
Handling: Rear sway bar (19 mm), front Sway bar (23 mm), front upper strut brace.
Standard features: Airbags, Power windows/steering/mirrors, Recaro buckets seats, Momo leather steering wheel, Aluminium shifter.
Additional: Bridegstone RE030 205/55/16, Enkei alloy wheels (16x6.5), JDM bodykit/chassis

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Thanks for that Buddyclub.

Exactly what I was looking for!

Anyone have access to a DC2R manual?? ;)

I have the dc2r manual but it's in the car and I'm too lazy to get it. Maybe another time. But I can tell you that the DC2R has Bridgestone RE010 195/55/15, Enkei Alloys 15x6.

Bore and Stroke: 81x87.2 mm
Torque: 178 nm
Final Ratio: 4.4
Tank Capacity: 50 Litres
Power/Weight Ratio: 7.71 : 1 kg/kW
Exterior Length: 4395 mm
Exterior Width: 1695 mm
Exterior Height: 1320 mm
Front Track: 1480 mm
Rear Track: 1475 mm
Wheel Base: 2570 mm
Ground Clearance: 105 mm
Towing Capacity: 450 kg
Turning Circle: 10.6 m

Everything correct from the above for DC2R except for one thing: Final Drive ratio. Manual says 4.4, workshop manual says 4.4. But count the teeth and its actually 4.785, same as JDM :)

john u bastid! wassup? well i believe u when u say it coz u da man! LOL! Look at my Avatar. Do u recognise that parking lot?

some good info here guys...keep it on topic! :)

This is for the DC2R Yes?

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Originally Posted by dc2r

Bore and Stroke: 81x87.2 mm
Torque: 178 nm
Final Ratio: 4.4
Tank Capacity: 50 Litres
Power/Weight Ratio: 7.71 : 1 kg/kW
Exterior Length: 4395 mm
Exterior Width: 1695 mm
Exterior Height: 1320 mm
Front Track: 1480 mm
Rear Track: 1475 mm
Wheel Base: 2570 mm
Ground Clearance: 105 mm
Towing Capacity: 450 kg
Turning Circle: 10.6 m

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Yes for DC2R.

Info like that for the DC5R would be nice.

back in 1998 i made a JDM ITR brochure for Honda Australia. Its in PDF somewhere at home and in printed format. I'll look for it tonight and upload it for you to browse at. Its about 10 - 12 pages thick covering everything of the DC2 ITR and some differences with the AU spec compared to JDM.

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Originally Posted by Civic Type R

back in 1998 i made a JDM ITR brochure for Honda Australia. Its in PDF somewhere at home and in printed format. I'll look for it tonight and upload it for you to browse at. Its about 10 - 12 pages thick covering everything of the DC2 ITR and some differences with the AU spec compared to JDM.

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That would be great. Much appreciated.

yeah i found it last nite :) Thank god ... but its a 2.8 Mb .pdf file.
Acrobat wasnt the best at distilling when version 4 was spantankin new. :x

Can you upload it somewhere?

Otherwise PM me and i'll give you a place to upload it.

yeah its at home on my Mac tho and i dont have any form of transferring it just yet to a pc so i can upload it or offload it, if you know what i mean.

I will sort it out after work today :)

OK the ITR brochure is up and i have made a new thread for it :)
please give it time to download 8)

check out this site from the states

www.team-integra.net

this site will probably answer all of you questions.
Just sign up (its free) go to articles then info/FAQ's, it has pretty much everything

didn't realise the cutout on the dc5r was 7900??....

Look at http://69.53.28.141/technical.html

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"Exclusive pistons and connecting rods have been developed for the Type R. The high-pressure die cast piston crown has been reshaped to increase the compression ratio to 10.6:1 and valve pockets deepened to accommodate the increased valve lift and duration of the Type R. The piston skirt is coated with molybdenum to minimize friction and allow it to withstand high-rpm operation, while specially designed oil paths have been machined into the underside of the piston to provide additional lubrication to the piston pin.

Extreme care was taken in the forging and machining of the connecting rods to ensure each engine of a precisely matched set of connecting rods. Like in the GS-R, the rods are constructed of special high-strength steel for a rigid yet lightweight component. Extremely accurate machining of the Type R connecting rod minimizes variation between parts. Connecting rod bolt elongation has been strictly controlled for uniform fastening force. This is achieved through manually assembling each and every connecting rod for the Type R, and the result is a significant reduction of fastening force variance.

The combination of lightweight pistons and connecting rods helps to reduce reciprocating inertia and enhance throttle response significantly.

Piston Summary:
High-pressure die cast piston crown has been reshaped to increase compression ratio from 10.0:1 up to 10.6:1
Valve pockets deepend to accommodate the increased valve lift and duration
Piston skirts were made ligher in order to lessen the inertial mass
Piston skirts coated with molybdenum to minimize friction and allow it to withstand high-rpm operation (also used in the NSX)
Injectors installed on the underside of the pistons allow for improved cooling, and prvent the pistons form getting "burned-in"
Combination of lightweight pistons and connecting rods help reduce reciprocating inertia and enhance trottle respnse significantly
Connecting Rod Summary:
Connecting rod bolt elongation has been strictly controlled for uniform fastening force
Manually assembled for the Type R to reduce fastening force variance
The specially designed rods have the letter "R" molded onto them
Rods are constructed of special high-strength steel to withstand higher rpm's and are still lighter than GS-R connecting rods "

This is for the B18C5

bro dc5r steering wheelll has a badge on it ::D:D:D

Some More Dc5r Specs

Length: 4400mm
Width: 1725mm
Height: 1400mm
Wheelbase: 2570mm
Front Track: 1485mm
Rear Track: 1485mm
Bore X Stroke 86.0 X 86.0mm
Fuel Tank: 50l
Taken From Dc5r Owners Manual

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Originally Posted by JayDC5R

Oh ok then, that would explain why it look like it cuts out later... :oops: :)

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I've noticed it to. Up hill in 2nd and then on a flat in 3rd redline. 8300 Cut-off starts pinging. Change a 8000rpm everytime, never noticed any kind of cut-off or slowage. And in 3rd gear needle wasn't moving very fast for it to jump that much.

also the rear strut tower bar is not a standard factory item on dc2r ..
its an option..

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Originally Posted by Civic Type R

OK the ITR brochure is up and i have made a new thread for it :)
please give it time to download 8)

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hhhmmm....where is this thread? :confused:

Aussie DC5R's did not have LSD

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Originally Posted by VTECACCORD

Aussie DC5R's did not have LSD

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Yes they did, its the DC5S that didnt :D

What is the stock size of DC5R tyres?

i think is 205/55/R16

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Originally Posted by dc2r

Can I ask what this info is needed for anyway?


Also, the dc5r vtec engagement is across the whole rev range. From memory I think it kicks in twice? But you cannot feel it like the dc2r. Hence the term i-vtec (standing for intelligent).

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Vtec in DC5 is a 2 stage Vtec and stage 2 kicks in at 6000rpm-7900rpm.

i-vtec, i stands for intelligence and it means that instead of activating the large cam lobes using traditional mechanical ways (by oil pressure build up which locks the large cam lobes to the cam shaft), it uses sensors (probably using techo reading as an input) to activate the lock the large cam lobes.

By using sensors, vtec can kick in at a perfect rpm. (Please correct me if I'm wrong 'cause I read this on a website awhile ago).

the change of cam profile is still done by using oil pressure.
it changes at ~5800rpm every time, no varience is there.
there is still only 2 cam profiles in the engine

the 'i' refers to the engine having cam phasing on the intake cam,
this can change the timing of the intake cam by upto 50deg (depending on engine varient)
depedning on a number factors to change fuel consumption etc.

dont forget that the revs that shows on in your cluster arent the exact revs, must put it on the HDS to find out the exacrt revs. I think its HDS if i can rememebr corretly from worknig at honda. quite often the revs in your clusters indicate a higher rev reading than the true revs of the engine! sooo MR DC5TYPER suck my **** lol :p

can someone post on the front rotor sizes and add it to the first post pls?

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Originally Posted by dark138

can someone post on the front rotor sizes and add it to the first post pls?

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DC5R: 300mm ventilated at the front, 260mm solid at the rear.
DC2R: 282mm ventilated at the front, 260mm solid at the rear.

out of curiosity, a mate gonna look at 2004 DC5R tomorrow at the dealer.
the dealer thinks it a type R but not 100% sure now cos he also thinks it might be a normal integra but luxury model.

this car comes with the type R spoiler but it also has leather seats, fog lights and sunroof.

is this normal?

it does have 6speed. i guess we can confirm the engine number to be safe. but what if the engine is from a conversion?

what else can i check to make sure its 100% type R

is the luxury model engine number the same as the type R or different?

could be a Type S :thumbsup:

Type R has a different dashboard, also aluminum shift knob with red shift pattern.
Interior mats has Type R badge.
Exhaust tips has a nice metal finish if it is the type R
red H on the steering wheel
red H on the rims
go around a big roundabout n feel the lsd working
type r lip kit.

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Originally Posted by gun57i

out of curiosity, a mate gonna look at 2004 DC5R tomorrow at the dealer.
the dealer thinks it a type R but not 100% sure now cos he also thinks it might be a normal integra but luxury model.

this car comes with the type R spoiler but it also has leather seats, fog lights and sunroof.

is this normal?

it does have 6speed. i guess we can confirm the engine number to be safe. but what if the engine is from a conversion?

what else can i check to make sure its 100% type R

is the luxury model engine number the same as the type R or different?

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Originally Posted by gun57i

what else can i check to make sure its 100% type R

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DC5 Type R MUST have Recaros in black, red or blue.

DC2 disc size is 282mm I think!

dc2 type r fuel cut 9100 rpm i think someone has said 8600 trying to find confirmation of this

redline 8400rpm, cut out 8600rpm - DC2R

And from my understanding the AUDM DC5R & DC5S both dont have LSD

The JDM DC5R dpes.

However, the AUDM DC2R does have an LSD.

from what I've read..i'm pretty sure AUDM DC5R does have an LSD and DC5S doesn't

AUDM DC5R has LSD.

Read ......http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xch...002_1000km.htm


Under 'Performance'

" ..The 2.0 litre engine has a motorcycle-like angry, frenetic character and voracious appetite for revs. It is matched with a six-speed close-ratio gearbox and a torque-sensing limited-slip-differential..."

Also here:
http://autospeed.com/cms/A_1592/arti...popularArticle

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Originally Posted by T-onedc2

Type R MUST have Recaros in black, red or blue.

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thats not true... i have yellow recaro's

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Originally Posted by teggiboy

thats not true... i have yellow recaro's

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I was replying to the previous 2 or 3 posts refering to DC5

It's probably been covered but, and the search has too many random results, so,

what is the diameter of a stock dc5r exhaust?.

i though FD was 4.9?

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Originally Posted by teggiboy

hhhmmm....where is this thread? :confused:

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this may help

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...nro001/itr.jpg