guys, do i have to go to a Honda dealer to get another key cut for my car? no one else but Honda? it that was the RED key is for? to make copy.???
i know not to never use the RED key...
thanks.
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guys, do i have to go to a Honda dealer to get another key cut for my car? no one else but Honda? it that was the RED key is for? to make copy.???
i know not to never use the RED key...
thanks.
I heard if you try and start the car with the red key it will kill your ignition and then you will need to get it to Honda to get it reset.
yes that was what i heard and read in the manual too...so i better stay away from the RED key.
the red key is so they can make spare keys.
I wish my car had come with the red key. At least your car came with the red key. i got my car from a dealer and they didnt have it. if i want to make copyies of the key i will have to find out the previous owners and see if i can find it.
damn man....thats harsh.
good luck hey
you heard a myth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tu88y
the red key wont kill your car. after a couple of minutes it will start with the black key. you do need the red key to program new unique ID keys into your system by a dealer. this is the better way but the more expensive way. you can however find some locksmiths that can copy your exsinting black key and duplicate ifs RFcode as well as its key pattern.
Spare key = $84.75
Key Cut = $5
Honda programming the RF code = $99
= $188.75.... For one key.
Trust me.
I had it done last weekend.
You don't need the red key to make a copy, but you need it to program the chip
thanks man...i called up Honda and they are quoting me $92+ just for the key.
What Honda dealer u went to man?
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Originally Posted by Sprung Munkey
Big place in Livo.....Peter Warren......
okies no worries man thanks.
did it take u long to get the key done? like sit and wait for it? or comb back another day?
I got fc*ked around cause of the time od day that i did it.
aka: Sat. noon. Mechanics and shops and stuff shut up then. But if you do it with in business hours, half and hr @ max.
Get key from spare parts.
Get cut/programmed over at service centre. Done.
Took the guys @ Spare parts a bit to find the key, but they had them in stock thats what slowed me down
the honda system is amazingly stupid and expensive... i had my immobiliser killed and removed... then added my own system...
Care to elaberate on the process of killing the stock system and replacment of the newer one?
What involved etc?
interesting, as my sisters civic cxi did not come with a RED key(previous owner lost it). and she only has one key for the car, Honda said we needed to change the entire alarm/immobiliser system if we had lost our only one BLACK key. So shes extra cautious about her car keys.
Is this true what I've been told?
New immobiliser system they quoted was about 1400??
yes its trueQuote:
Originally Posted by CONAN
but parts only cost about $700
Okay here's the definitive answer, no urban legends, no confusion. This was experienced first hand. If i'm wrong its cos honda dealership is wrong ok? :)
depending on where u go... the cost can go up to 1000 to fix it up if u lose both keys. I went with my mate to go to eastern honda, basically we were told:
1. The Black key contains the kill switch, basically a piece of magnet emitting a frequency that turns an electronic "switch" to allow u to start/lock the car
2. The red key just gives u a template to cut the black key, it does NOT contain the kill switch.
3. The kill switch frequency is NOT unique and CAN be defeated easily. What this means is that there are a relatively small number of frequencies and the Honda Dealership can work out your frequency even if you lose your black key.
4. the ignition control key chamber (basically the slot u push ur key in, fancy term, their words not mine) however, IS UNIQUE for every car. They do NOT keep records and there is no way for honda to "reverse engineer" a key for u if u lose black and red.
What does this all mean?
If you lose the red key ONLY: you can start your car no problems
if you lose the black key ONLY: you CANNOT start your car normally, but u can get ur red key, give it to honda to make you a new black key with a kill switch. They get the frequency by examining your car.
(ps: there is a dodgey way around this, my mechanic had to hotwire my car cos i left the place with the red key in the glove box but my black keys in my pocket. So to get the car into his garage he used a set of magnets or SOMETHING to kill the killswitch. apparently really easy thing to do)
if you lose BOTH keys, however, you are going to get screwed.
You do not have to pay for a new kill switch b/c as i said before honda can determine the frequency from your car.
BUT, honda has to completely replace your ignition control key chamber (again, the slot where u put ur keys in) b/c for security and privacy reasons they dont keep a record of what your chamber looks like and the matching key and also they CANNOT reverse engineer it. This is where the big $$ comes in cos ur basically asking for 2 new keys + the chamber
Now here is the unconfirmed rumor i heard from a friend of a friend who knew some guy. Apparently if u can get another honda with same chamber size (i think all civics eg/ek are the same, all dc2 gsi/vtir/type r are the same, etc) you can actually REPLACE your chamber yourself, hence saving u a lot of money. BUT the prerequisite is again that you need to have at least ONE key from the new chamber u got off the other car, cos once again honda cant reverse engineer the key bla bla bla
The
Another thing to add, sorry for the confusion before but i didnt mean "remove" the kill switch as in physically remove.
According to my mechanic you cant do this cos it goes into the ECU wiring or osmething. So basically the immobilser HAS to be in your car for it to start (i'm sure there are ways around this but thats too complicated for me and it'll cost you more than the followign solution)
So taking a tip from a few mates i know in HK, what they do is
1. Rip their black key apart
2. Take out the magnet/kill switch/thingie
3. Stick it (permanently) right near the kill switch ( i THINK its on the right hand side of the steering wheel, near the mirror adjustment pad)
4. Get a new immobiliser/alarm aftermarket
This has been the proven, cheapest, easiest way to get past it
some of the things you say are totaly wrong Ghost
the only unique thing about the immobiliser is the Wire wound RFID capsual in the keys. red keys are no different to black keys, the concepts is the same, the immobiliser control unit just sees the red key codes as the learn key. each key will have a code like this for example
black key 1 010101110010001110010
black key 2 111000101010110101001
red key 101010000111001010100
as you can see adventually all posible codes could be generated, but it would take a while with some kind of hacking mechanism. but it is posible to copy that code.
the lock in the ignition has an electronic reciver which powers the key to tranmit its code. there is nothing unique there and this part is interchangable with all hondas ( if you could make it fit ) the code recived from the key is sent to the immobiliser ECU, if it is accepted the immobiliser allows the PGMFI ECU to start the car. the PGMFI ECU has a code programed into it to only trust the immobiliser ECU ( you cant just change OBDII ecu with out reprogramming the immobiliser code )
if you loose you RED key you are ok until you want to add another genuine Honda black key.
if you loose a black key and have only 1 black key and no RED key, your ok but you cannnot add another genuine Honda black key.
if you loose both black keys and have the red key, your in the crapper.
you can find some lock smiths that can copy your black keys.
if you need to replace everything because your left with no choice, the parts cost about $700. then the install price.
you CAN remove the factory immobiliser. it is posible, but its not a walk in the park.
i'm not saying ur wrong dude but that was SO NOT WHAT we were told my Eastern Honda : (... but in any case my mate had NO KEYS so yeh total replacement of that key chamber,.
What i have basically done is (as i said above) implanted my chip next to the kill switch (my mechanic did it) so my immboliser is always off : )
hey guys i have only 1 black key and someone has made a copy key. So it is possible to copy them. I only got 1 original key so it couldn't be that hard to make a copy when i have an aftermarket key to drive the car isit?
Another question while on the topic of spare keys, say you already had a black key with the little magnet thing inside(I'm assuming is what the immobiliser needs to start the car).
Can you tell them to rip it out and put it in the new key to get around the whole $99 to reprogram it? I know I can definately rip the little thing out(its just pushes into place, I can literally push it out myself)
I don't want to go sticking things permanently to my car, just a spare key will do :)
ECU-MAN: "you can find some lock smiths that can copy your black keys."
do you know of any locksmiths who will do such thing???? If so, please let me know, as I am in the 'crapper'! Thanks.
syd.
Hmm, this has made me think I should probably get a spare key cut.
I bought the car a month ago and the previous owners had lost the spare.
I sure don't want to be stuffing around with Honda if I lose my one and only key.
So $200 for a spare? That might be good insurance.
Hi guys.
While on this topic, (I know it’s a bit old now..) I need some help.
I have 1 black key, which is falling apart.. and NO red key.
I bought a key from Honda ($95) not knowing about this whole red key business… I don’t want to put a new immobiliser in like Honda say I have to…
I am thinking of either;
1. putting my chip next to the kill switch, or
2. (preferred) Finding someone to code the key I bought from Honda.
I am in Melbourne. Car is civic EK1. built OCT ’95
Please someone help!
thanks
oops forgot to add, can someone tell me where exactly my 'kill switch' is in my car, incase i have to put my chip next to it.. civic EK1 late '95
thanks!
I need a new black key cut because the rubber surrounding has all worn off :(
When i bought my car its rubber surrounding had fallen off, didnt look very pretty. We went and had 2 new keys cut. Very expensive exercise (we needed spares anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by Civic Type R
I did mine recently in West Ryde it cost me $79 including programing
got my key done for 70 something bucks.... somewhere in plumpton..
programming and all...
you have no change programming the OEM black key into an EK1 with out the red key,
you best bet would be to seel the key or try to get a refund.
the black ring arount the ignition lock is the reciver for the RFID transponder in the key.
Does that mean you had both the Red Key and the Black Key? Care to share whereabouts in West Ryde and the name of the place? :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
I did mine with only the black key didn't need the red one cos i don't have it. They never even needed it or asked for it anyway. Key works fine no issues at all.
They are called 'Buffalo - Lock & Key' crn Buffalo & Princes Street Ryde
02 9809 0294
man im still meaning to get my key cut.
i already bought the black key, n i was told that cutting n programming was roughly 50bux at peter warren warrick farm? as someone said 70? lets hope not for my sake. lol
20dollars can do me good. haha
my black key is actually made of solid plastic surrounding so i can never haf the same probQuote:
Originally Posted by Civic Type R
and that 1 key is the only key that can start the car, got a spare, but nly works wif doors
so its about 70$ for a spare that will start the car ey?
Guys
I'm able to modify the OBD2 ECU's to be able to accept any key with transponder in it.
If you're interested, im just an email away.
i just went to get a quoteQuote:
Originally Posted by CONAN
i dont haf a red key
they sed $600 ish for new immobiliser etc
ne melb places ne1 no of?Quote:
Originally Posted by CONAN
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrwillz
well...i had my keys cut in clayton...some locksmith shop near the station...i didn't hav much trouble finding a locksmith cutting my key...
some shops refuse to cut car keys...dunno y..
but that place in clayton did...soo yer hope that helps
they refuse because if they stuff up its a 50 to 70 dollar blank key down the drain
that shop in clayton, is it a tobacco station also?!
nah....it's further down abit more...it's....i think across the road from anz bank...i think it's anz...it's sum bank..can't remember....across the rd from news agent.. :)
i've tried
2 'master' locksmiths
www.saslocksmiths.com.au and another one
n they both say they kant do nefn wifout the red key. 'master' for nuffn'
im gona try find that shop u talkn bout vti-ek9
ok i've found a store for all u east melb ppl
its at knox city called mr minit
they can do transpondr keys for civics n other honda's
myn is getting ordered atm and total cost is $74.95
so you dont need the red key to make a copy?
yep basically they sed i dont need it (i dont haf the red key btw)
so im happy
better then a new immobiler n key etc from honda dealer for $600+
cool
any places in sydney that can do that?
mm if u read back a couple of pages i fink i saw a no.
Buffalo Locksmiths at Ryde did mine back a few years ago when I got my car. Cost around the $60 - $70 mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by CONAN
Hey did you get the key back? Did it work?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrwillz
I have Ek1 (late95), reckon it will work for me?
i bought Honda black key, got it cut so cant get refund..
If i put the transponder from old key on ignition ring a NON-OEM key starts car, but not the Honda one. Must scramble signal maybe? Anyway could i try to 'rip out' the chip inside the honda key? cant do much else with it.
thanks ECU-MAN in advance!
my key is on order atm,
u shud b able to keep both keys.
the place i went has a machine that will program the transponder to the same as ur original black key i fink that wot he sed.
still waiting atm
visit them n see which yr n model they can doQuote:
Originally Posted by DANSKA
im sure they kud do urs
thanks limbo...just called them and its $88 each key and can be done....looks like i will be there very soon...Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
lets go a group buy on spare keys??? HAHAHAHA u never know what discount we can get :)
Sweet! Astro, another guy was saying there's a guy in cabra that can do it too.
but 88bux is not to bad!
i jus piked myn up today
$74.95
works fine.
i heard a rumour that you can have a blank key cut and successfully bypass the ultrasonics sensors by doing a few simple tricks with the ignition. Reason being the sensor will re-educate itself to the new ultrasonics to the new key after 8-10 attempts :confused:
Only takes 30 seconds he said.
Anyone else heard of this ?
i heard of this too.. but its not just a regular cut key, laser cut i think..
just to let you guys know that i went to Buffalo Lock and Key on saturday and i was in and out in 2 mins...and got my spare key for $88.00. works fine and the spare key looks exactly like the OEM Honda key just without the H badge on the key....Quote:
Originally Posted by Astro
very happy chap.
PS. They cant do all Honda's, only most models...Eg: the salesman told me that a guy came in with a 2000 model CRV and he couldnt do it as he does not have all the software on all Honda's.
just something for you guys to know if u dont drive a civic.
This might be reviving an old thread, but...
I have just bought a DC2R 2000ym, and need a spare key done, after reading this, would explain why the red key i have doesnt do anything..
Can I buy a red key anywhere that can be programmed to work? I like the red key to match the badges haha
Where is the best place to get keys from these days?
Cheers
Chris
I doubt if this can be done. Still, go to a locksmith, key cutting places like Mr Minit can do these types of things.
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Originally Posted by tseesinngwailo
I can program a red key to start your car. Iv done it for a few people already ( without loosing immobilser function )
with the key problem i work in the australian locksmiths supply company and to my knowledge you dnt need a red key just a key that has your transponder chip in it and we supply all keys for all cars...so if you have a enquiry that i can help with let me know.
we also have the machine to program transponder chips here.
Thanks ECUMan, but I realised my RED key doesnt fit my boot grr, I like the look of it being red, that why I hoped to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by vti_boi
VTI_Boi, can you pm me with details please? I want the key to be the same as what I have (with Honda H moulded in etc) and where you are in Sydney
Cheers
Chris
chris if you want oem key's, goto JDM concept - leo has one them from memory!Quote:
Originally Posted by tseesinngwailo
otehrwise, use international ebay, much cheaper and yes you can find oem!