Integra Suspension and Camber issue

Hi All,

I have just bought an Integra, last owner was kind of motor enthusiast and has changed so many things from stock to custom tuned.

Now after driving the car for two days, I am feeling ride is not comfortable I mean I thought suspensions are stiff.

So I went to a Suspension/Wheel shop after checking the car he told me that your car is tuned for high speed cornering with this set of figures
Camber front negative 3 with slight toe
Camber rear 1.5 or 2 without toe
Adjustable suspensions are set to lowered the vehicle and probably configured for a little harder damping.
Yokohama tyres 195/50R15 advan AD050 with advan racing wheels

Now, let me describe a little about my driving preference, I mostly drive smooth like a family man but occasionally I try to accelerate off the line or sometimes try to speed up on freeways just to enjoy acceleration. I dont drive like a racer or neither need a high speed turns.

Other concern is economy, means I am not a rich person so that I cannot easily afford every now and then wheel alignments($120) and replacing tires after every 20-30K. All I want is a economical yet fun car with maximum possible straight line acceleration, I think personally with this type of configuration eventually after 5 or 10k(in a year I usually drive around 15-20K my work place is 10mins drive but I often travel interstate like 750Kms one side) I would need to either replace the tires or atleast align the wheels two times a year, What I was advised by bridgestone engineer" unless you drive interstate this setup will not give you extra and unusual wear on tires"

Now with my driving style and focus about economy what you guys think should I do, stay and live with this camber and toe and just change suspension setting by adjusting ride height (probably a little high) and change the damper setting to little soft as I feel a bit hard or uncomfortable after driving for more than one hour OR restore the camber and toe back to stock i.e. zero or anything close to zero with then try to change suspensions setting because I was told by an engineer that these suspensions are tuned to suit camber etc to provide optimal handling in corners. All I need is best off the line and straight line acceleration with not out of par but reasonable corners with normal speed and normal tyre wear, Is this possible with same camber and toe but with changed suspension configuration(I must have to do it for relaxed driving i.e. suspension thing) or else I have to reconfigure and retune both?

Thanks in advance

its a killing set up your previous owner did.
I think u meant A050 tyres? they are one of the best street tyres u can get, but due to the soft compound, it wont last long on the street.
I think u could sell the tyres if they are still new-ish, if not, only change when it runs out, RE003 and AD08 are good tyres for street.

change the cambers back down by 2 deg, otherwise it would chew up ur inner tyres like no tomorrow. its good set up for high speed cornering, but not on the street

raise a bit and soften the dampers which you can do it yourself, save some money.

what integra have you got? vtir or GSi?
not much you can do to help acceleration as our car is limited until you open up the engine for cams etc or playing gear ratio as well, both are expensive.

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Originally Posted by connorling

its a killing set up your previous owner did.
I think u meant A050 tyres? they are one of the best street tyres u can get, but due to the soft compound, it wont last long on the street.
I think u could sell the tyres if they are still new-ish, if not, only change when it runs out, RE003 and AD08 are good tyres for street.

change the cambers back down by 2 deg, otherwise it would chew up ur inner tyres like no tomorrow. its good set up for high speed cornering, but not on the street

raise a bit and soften the dampers which you can do it yourself, save some money.

what integra have you got? vtir or GSi?
not much you can do to help acceleration as our car is limited until you open up the engine for cams etc or playing gear ratio as well, both are expensive.

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Thanks for feedback,

My tires are at the moment road legal but I dont think they are re-sellable, I have vtir, which camber you are referring to? front and rear or only front, I dont have tools so i cant adjust the suspensions myself, what about toe does it affect tyre aging as well?

Any idea with 50-60% tread how long I can go without changing camber and toe? and after raising the ride height and adjusting the front camber to negative 1 with zero toe what difference I would feel in terms of handling?

A050 is not a street tyre. It is a race tyre. There is a good market for used 050's depending on size. If they really are 40% worn then plenty of racers will pay decent money for them (maybe $400-600 for the set)
Sounds like you have a good track setup. Honestly if you're only after straight line acceleration and comfort sell the car and buy a v8 falcadore. Will be much better suited to your needs. Sell the honda to someone who will use it as intended. If you start changing settings you'll destroy the balance and end up with an ill handling piece of crap.

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Originally Posted by Hondarally

A050 is not a street tyre. It is a race tyre. There is a good market for used 050's depending on size. If they really are 40% worn then plenty of racers will pay decent money for them (maybe $400-600 for the set)
Sounds like you have a good track setup. Honestly if you're only after straight line acceleration and comfort sell the car and buy a v8 falcadore. Will be much better suited to your needs. Sell the honda to someone who will use it as intended. If you start changing settings you'll destroy the balance and end up with an ill handling piece of crap.

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I know about but this will be an additional job for me to sell those tires then buy another set then alignment and etc, So please suggest me some reasonable idea rather than selling this and that.

I know what I have bought and there is a reason behind but at this time I only need what I have asked, I have had honda's before and I know how to drive them but priorities change with time so now I need a daily plus some element of fun which is not possible in driving a falcon or commodore.

get a set of C spanners for the coilovers, raise it urself.

soften the damper is as easy as turning the knob on the coilovers.

then go and get a wheel alignment for $50

drive til the tyres gone then change it to street tyres.
like I said

wheel alignment guy will fix toe for you.

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Originally Posted by eridzone

I know about but this will be an additional job for me to sell those tires then buy another set then alignment and etc, So please suggest me some reasonable idea rather than selling this and that.

I know what I have bought and there is a reason behind but at this time I only need what I have asked, I have had honda's before and I know how to drive them but priorities change with time so now I need a daily plus some element of fun which is not possible in driving a falcon or commodore.

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What we're all saying isn't registering that's why we're repeating ourselves. We are suggesting reasonable ideas, you're not listening.

According to your requirements, a few small adjustments aren't going to change all that much and may not suffice your standards. Check your other threads too, everyone has given decent answers [minus a few of the spammers]. Read them properly then answer instead of no I don't feel like it cause its a hassle or somehow unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by connorling

get a set of C spanners for the coilovers, raise it urself.

soften the damper is as easy as turning the knob on the coilovers.

then go and get a wheel alignment for $50

drive til the tyres gone then change it to street tyres.
like I said

wheel alignment guy will fix toe for you.

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What he said...

thanks all the guys

Mate just take your car to a reputable wheel alignment shop.

Tell them what your looking for, how you wanted it adjusted.

From memory its $20/corner for coilover adjustment. $99 for rotation, re balanced and wheel alignment.

Make it clear your looking for full adjustment camber and toe. I would say 2 deg is massive camber for a car that will never see the track.

Get neutral not too sure about AD050's but im currently running AD08R's they are running out pretty fast.

They will even give u a report of before and after.

I recommend JAX Tyres.

If recommend against Jax, they are a franchise so the quality of staff varies greatly.
It sounds counter intuitive but I'd take it to a place that dose work on track cars etc, my reasoning is that when u explain what you want they will do just that, I have seen countless times where a customer takes their car to the local shop just to have minimal adjustments made then the print out fudged, a store that dose work for cars in motorsports know the importance of correct alignment. That's not to say you couldn't find a good guy at Jax but when shooting in the dark this would be a safer bet

Yea do u think he knows any shop like that. Keep it simple for him lol.

I reccomended Jax cos dats teh only franchise i know that will have the c spanner for him.


More edit: Pedders as well. 100% ripp off here.

Mate, go and re read the replies from hondarally and dread Angel they are spot on.

Your bc coilovers are never going to be "comfortable" no matter how many clicks you make on the damper. You can raise the height easily enough to avoid scrubbing if you want.

Your A050's will be screwed very quickly on the street. I'd be surprised if you got more than a few thousand usable kms left by your description of the current wear and alignment settings.

Daveho is right on the wheel alignment places unless your local franchise guy is extraordinary. Most will pretty much only adjust toe even if you specifically ask for camber adjustment. The usual answer is "nah you can't adjust camber" even when you walk over and point to the adjustment bolt. Who knows whether it's ignorance or just plain laziness on their behalf. You won't get a shop to do a full height camber and toe setup for your standard $50-$100 price. It's going to be more like double that price and by your requirements you will still be disappointed I think.

Ok thanks guy.

Finally I have aligned my car and increased the ride height with some damper adjustments from a good tyre shop, Once I finish my yokohama I would probably buy a more relaxed wearing and quiet(because AD050 make a lot of noise on road) tires may be potenza

was wondering if I remove coilovers and install stock suspensions in my VTI-R, Whether GSI and VTI-R suspensions are same from the factory or not because I have found one set from GSI for sale, can i install them or to look for only VTI-R suspensions?

If only you were in Melbourne, I would do you a massive favour and swap my nice comfortable toyo teo for those crappy a050's.

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Originally Posted by eridzone

was wondering if I remove coilovers and install stock suspensions in my VTI-R, Whether GSI and VTI-R suspensions are same from the factory or not because I have found one set from GSI for sale, can i install them or to look for only VTI-R suspensions?

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Wouldn't bother with factory mate, they would be really old. Get OEM replacement or one up on OEM replacements, either GSI or VTi-R would be getting on in age and would handle like tofu or rocks...

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Originally Posted by rc_

If only you were in Melbourne, I would do you a massive favour and swap my nice comfortable toyo teo for those crappy a050's.

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LMFAO! What size are those crap ass A050?

I think you should sell your car and start again. Something thats abit more stock is what your really looking for.

Or maybe there's something really wrong wit your car.

Someone else might appreciate the car more.

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Originally Posted by amant02

I think you should sell your car and start again. Something thats abit more stock is what your really looking for.

Or maybe there's something really wrong wit your car.

Someone else might appreciate the car more.

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Qft..

amant may be right, sounds like you bought a car that is completely unsuitable for you.

OP

Sell your suspension and tyres / rims to someone who cares
Get standard DC2 ITR front and rear suspension , with rear control arms to suit - and get atleast a upgraded rear swaybar such as DC2 ITR unit. Also budget a ASR brace or similar for fitting.

Your car will now be a tiny bit lower than standard , comfortable and handle quite well. It will also not eat tyres

I think OP might be after a vw polo gti

stock itr sussy is fuking awesome

probably handles better then most shitty aftermarket coilovers

please stick to the question, I need to know whether VTI-R and GSI suspensions are same or different from the factory and are they interchangeable? Anyone have DC2R suspensions in good condition for sale?

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Originally Posted by eridzone

please stick to the question, I need to know whether VTI-R and GSI suspensions are same or different from the factory and are they interchangeable? Anyone have DC2R suspensions in good condition for sale?

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Check below please, already mentioned before :)

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Originally Posted by DreadAngel

Wouldn't bother with factory mate, they would be really old. Get OEM replacement or one up on OEM replacements, either GSI or VTi-R would be getting on in age and would handle like tofu or rocks...

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

OP

Sell your suspension and tyres / rims to someone who cares
Get standard DC2 ITR front and rear suspension , with rear control arms to suit - and get atleast a upgraded rear swaybar such as DC2 ITR unit. Also budget a ASR brace or similar for fitting.

Your car will now be a tiny bit lower than standard , comfortable and handle quite well. It will also not eat tyres

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This thread is surely a wind up? How can this be getting so much traffic?

And multiple threads on the same crap?

Srs just sell me your unsuitable parts, you pay shipping to Melbourne though because I am going you a favour.

Yeh the guy's s serious troll, or a serious idiot. Haven't quite decided which.

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Originally Posted by Hondarally

Yeh the guy's s serious troll, or a serious idiot. Haven't quite decided which.

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His lameness entertains me.

you seems nice and knowledgefull person,
thanks for your suggestion any idea how much DC2R suspensions would cost? or if you any one who is interested to sell them?

I am keeping all my gear for future purposes and right now I am only trying to convert this car as a fun daily and I have considered benjamin advice for ITR suspensions and no I am not interested in selling any part so please relax and stop enjoying with no reasons.

Anyhow thanks experts for your valuable tips and thanks to rogue time wasters for nothing but wasting their time.

Bro. ITR won't fit ur car. And still no one offers suggestion how to change my gf from bein semen vampire and more into shopping for various homewares.

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Originally Posted by eridzone

was wondering if I remove coilovers and install stock suspensions in my VTI-R, Whether GSI and VTI-R suspensions are same from the factory or not because I have found one set from GSI for sale, can i install them or to look for only VTI-R suspensions?

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to answer that.
yes GSi and Vtir has same suspension, only the type R has different rear suspension.

sell the coilovers and get type R suspension with type R rear low control arms (required)

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Originally Posted by connorling

to answer that.
yes GSi and Vtir has same suspension, only the type R has different rear suspension.

sell the coilovers and get type R suspension with type R rear low control arms (required)

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by PJT

Bro. ITR won't fit ur car. And still no one offers suggestion how to change my gf from bein semen vampire and more into shopping for various homewares.

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Send her to user u mad?, he will sort her out m8 he helped with mine