I plan on my civic being a long term project with a turbo'd integra type-r engine being the final addition. what are peoples thoughts on this? has anyone out there already done it, and if so what was your opinion of it? ohhh and what sort of power would it be looking at making?
Cheers
Rob
how bigs your wallet. 10k would not be enough.
like z3lda said, will cost alot... its a longterm thing, so it won't be that amount in one go... something unique and gutsy is a good thing to own and be proud of... good luck mate! just keep in mind too that if you go doing something like that, money will have to be spent on handling and brake upgrades etc... :thumbsup:
Yeah i was thinking of turboing my civic but then when u work out the cost of everythign u have to do i sort of backed down!
But if u could do it all right and u have the money to damn that would b so sweet as and damn that would fly!
yeah. to turbo a civic, with a type r engine, you are gonna spend like mega dollars. Not very worth it in my opinion. however, if you've got the $$ to spend, and if i were you, i'd go for something more unique, like souping it up, NA Style. 2liter block, cams close ratio gears and the works. imagine you smokin a turboed car with pure NA Power.... how cool is that!!!
Dude there’s no point putting a turbo on a type R motor. Your better off getting a VTIR B18c whacking a type R gearbox on it and turboing that. You’re talking about running boost on a high compression engine. If anything the money you save by getting a VTIR engine you can spend that on upgraded rods and nice set of low comp pistons and turn the boost up
The only real advantage of Type R motor is the gearbox (4.7 drive, light flywheel and Factory LSD)
if u do keep me posted on costs and wat sort of turbo u chose etc..
good luck
did someone say turbo?!
LOL
if ur rich, do wat u want...
if ur not, stick to type r engine and work that SLOWLY - or save for bout 10yrs
i agree with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by CTR Coupe
Waste moeny. If you can get the cheap parts, go ahead. If not, do a research.
dude if ur gonna do that, start saving for one. Then, wave goodbye to traction, and give a hearty welcome to torque steer. Sell ur car, buy a DC2R and play it safe.
high compression and turbo is fun. use a GT28RS, 550cc injectors, a nice EMS and say hello to a great street car ;)
was about to say the same thing as soon as i saw the title lol :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by CTR Coupe
i dont give a fuurrk !! im of the opinion if the motor can make exhaust gases then it needs boost....LOL
everything that makes a type r engine so great are the reasons why it is not suited to boost. its an engine built around the philosophy of NA tuning. to run the sort of boost to make the project worthwhile you would have to start lowering the compression which pretty much means spending money to downgrade the engine. do what was mentioned earlier and go with the Vtir engine
i'm of the opinion that if u want turbo u should buy a subie or nissan... cheaper (parts, original design, etc) and easier to enjoy : )
exactly, I've never been one for turboing engines that simply arent made with the intension of havin that extra pressure jammed into itQuote:
Originally Posted by **Ghost**
turbo engines rock. An R Turbo'd would be mega... no reason why you would need to lower compression to run a turbo setup??
turbo's come in many shapes and sizes and can be tuned (given the right person) to suit all/any application.
i agree with Type One.. it will work well Type R are lighter as well weight advantage. and swapping in and out parts is expensive (labor) so u get a vtir start swapping in type R parts its not cheap anymore.. you just cant run crazy ammounts of boost 7 psi should be fine =P.. although Vtirs are cheaper to start with =P... im bias towards vtirs usually.. but type Rs are cool too
wheres the weight advantage? its going into a civic?Quote:
Originally Posted by wlee2
I was talking about putting aftermarket rods and low comp forged pistonsQuote:
Originally Posted by wlee2
The labour cost involved in putting these in and buying an engine would be the same as buying a type R motor. On top of that you could turn the boost up to 16-18psi
This is right, that’s about as much safe boost as you can run with a thicker head gasket on a standard type RQuote:
Originally Posted by wlee2
This is about the only logical reason you would go the turbo type R route.. Wank factorQuote:
Originally Posted by wlee2
A modestly built turbo motor running 16psi of boost costing the same as type R motor is going to blow the doors off a type r motor running 7psi of boost.
well im sorry i thought i saw type R car =P..
but either way the engine is still lighter for a type R?
rebuilding engines (rods and stuff u said) isent exactly cheap unless u diy?
i dunno about where u from but b18C engines here aint all that easy to find neway. so if you find a type R or a vtir one you got lucky already
but i dont disagree with the 16 psi of boost running on a vtir motor.. it would probably kane..
and as for wank factor isent that what most people want ?
i meen really 16psi of boost on a vtir engine is still a big wank factor really ?
and why get so offended for its not like i was targeting your post? it was just an opinion..
wayne his poiint is to seriously boost a type r engine and vtir engine you do the exact same thing and get the same result. what is the point of spending another grand or 2 if you are ripping out the type R goodies and putting forgies in?
u can't diy building an eingine without proper equipment
yeh i got that.. like i said i didnt disagree.. but he did ask for opinions right ? neway as i said before i read wrong =P..
Man if it were me...
With the money your ganna spend on the civic (enc. Typre R engine + Turbo)
I buy a HOT gunmetal S2000, chuck on some rims and sussy.... and be a happy chappy :)
LOL
(just think of girls throwing themselves at your car) :thumbsup:
lol crxone, girls like in your avatar? if so i might have to buy an s2000. lol jk
but seriously, if i had the money, id like to turbo a civic/integra + max it out with other mods rather than buy an s2000...
just my opinion
Sorry I shouldn’t have pulled your post apart like that. But there was a fair bit of miss-information in the post.
The type R block might be a few grams lighter thanks to the P&P head job and lightweight valves. :P
Swapping parts is expensive but it’s not as expensive as buying a type R engine and your still going to have to pull the head off it to put a thicker head gasket in.
All I’m really saying that for the same capital investment you can build a more reliable and more powerful turbo engine.
Don’t take it as a personal attack I’m sure your a good bloke.
Really at the end of the day if you want turbo I think he should invest in a Nissan but if he’s obsessed with a Honda setup then this is the way to go.
non taken but it really was just missinformation because umm som reason i thought he was talking about the Type R car not an engine swap.. (does well to actually read the top post and not reading from bottom up) ^_^.. and missing the "Engine" part at the end of " Peoples thoughts on bolting a turbo onto an Integra Type-R engine"
as you can see if you missed those 2 it would cause alot of confusion when u read put a vtir block in =P..
BOO the turbo honda!!!
honda didnt invent VTEC to be ruined by boost lol thats just un-Honda VTEC style lol :p
lol wayne u obviously didnt even look at the first post where he states it is for his CIVIC ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wlee2
Turbo + Type R = :thumbdwn:
I'm with CTR Coupe on this one too.
wouldn't it be more interesting to make power across the band? turbo down low vtec up high?
rather than larger displacement, i think this idea should not be tossed out...
I am NA all the way, i reckon NA rules the roost, but i think on performance forum we should look to the possibilities... enough with the bleh vtec engines weren't built for this, can't turbocharge a type R cos you will ruin it...
solid arguments for no T/C - give the user something to base his decision on.
b18c's are good bases for boost but would be better to start from a vtir engine rather than type R imo coz u'd be replacing the internals anyway.
why even bother with a VTIR engine. just get a GSI.
hey dude, mysister has a turbo in her type r.. it flies... if your gona drop a typr engine in yours and turbo it.. ur in for some heart pumping rides..!!
farken noobs jumping in -_-
yes fine your sis's car would go well etc etc
but we are talking dropping an engine into a civic ok
the whole point is WHY PUT A TYPE R IN WHEN VTIR WILL DO THE EXACT SAME JOB????
if you are doing a serious swap with serious turbo you would replace the computer and all the internals anyway, so you are saving yourself some money by getting a vtir
relax there panda my man heheheQuote:
Originally Posted by panda[CRX]
Firstly, I haven't gone through other people's comments in answering your query so please disregard my reply if there is any evident ignorance on my behalf...you're bound to be inundated with pros & cons concerning N/A & boost towards your Honda so ask yourself some questions prior to digesting what the forum has informed you so far...
1. What do you hope to achieve with your conversion?
2. Budget contraints?
3. Short-term agenda?
4. Long-term goals?
5. Why the Type-R engine?
I'm not concerned with anyone disagreeing or disputing with me here but my stance on this matter goes like this...if power is your goal & you plan on keeping the Honda in your possession for a lengthy duration then allow your finances to accomodate & boost it...do it right first time & don't settle for second best concerning parts...
You want VTEC then transplant either the B16A or B18C...you want higher boost then upgrade your internals (JE forgies & Crower rods are a good place to start)...don't cut corners...build it right & get the best to tune it...plenty of tough VTEC Hondas around so a wealth of info out there to be digested...in no part am I implying I have a quick ride but after experiencing in excess of 200kWs at the wheels in my own CRX, I'm quite safe to assume that a snail + go-fast bits justifies the outlay for a pulsating drive if power is a priority...all the best with whatever path you decide to embark on mate :cool:
^ very right!
basically what everyone is saying is it's a good idea, however most of us would go for the vtir/sir option rather than spending extra on a type R engine in which u are just going to upgrade the internals anway
man the guy didnt help with the question at all. it doesnt take a brain surgeon to realise that b18c + boost = quickQuote:
Originally Posted by q_ball
so if you want to boost or do an engine swap state your goals and budget then you can research and gain more info from there. your budget might only be 10k.. or you might have a budget like BLKCRX:rolleyes:
there are alot of in betweens so put some thought into it and give us some more info on what u want and we can give a better answer:thumbsup:
also try the search function as there is alot of info floating around here
hmm i have a budget ? lol do tell me what it is LOL ehheeh
Regards James
wow!
There is a lot involved, and some insurance company's will love you to bits :p
I wouldn't bother turbo'ing it, too much hassle
$10k for the work, $10k for the insurance. :p
DONT BE SO NARROW PEOPLE. LET THE GUY DO WAT HE WANTS. his money, his idea, his car. man, turbo or not turbo its a Honda and thats good enough. Geez people chill out abit
What turbo you thinking of getting champ?
I have heard of ppl turbo'ing the B16A *Banzai* :D
But not the Integra engine B18c? something like that... don't know a great deal about them, only that stock they have about 105fwkw's, so I could only imagine how must of a difference boost would make :)
Take the advice from people that know what they are talking about ie. CTR Coupe.
The reason people are saying dont bother with a ITR engine is that if u are going replace parts then u are better off $ wise getting a VTIR engine. As you are going to want to change the compression of the engine to enable higher boost, it only makes sense to buy a VitR engine and save money so u can build the engine stronger.
But if u dont want to listen to peoples advice then dont post asking for any.