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Today myself and probably a few others of you received an email from James at Hondata regarding the progress of development of Hondata for the Euro's ECU.
As James gave consent to feel free to share this information here it is for all you guys out there who may not have received the original email.
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Originally Posted by EMAIL
Very nice to know that it will be available soon.... Matell, will you have one on your Euro?
Yes :pQuote:
Originally Posted by PNR888
Removing my ECU to get the serial number on Saturday or Friday after work.
Do they charge you $350 for a trial kit ??? or trial kit is free plus they give you a couple of lollies as being the sunbject?
No idea at this stage. Awaiting a reply from James.
i want my hondata dammiT!
do we get discount bulk order rates? :b
What is this HonData? some sort of performance upgrade chip ?
Ive heard the K-Pro works on K24 can anybody verify this?
I was wonderin the same thing, it's nice for those who don't keep up with all of the tech news to know what you guys are on about ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kam
WTF is HonData?
Ive heard the K-Pro works on K24 can anybody verify this?
Yes this is true… other wise known as the k100/kpro will work, if you want to loose your drive by wire... swap over your throttle body to cable driven, not have your dash work what so eva, no air con, and all features of the car lost… including traction control temp control etc other than the engine working... if you call that working ;-) then sure it works…
The new solution is specifically for Euros to maintain all stock features and gain more power ;-)
Regards James
Here's a link from TEMPLE OF VTEC that does a review on the TSX with Hondata ECU reflash.
Theres a few things that are upgraded. first, Vtec engagement down to 5000rpm from 6000rpm, and redline from 7200 to 7600rpm. also, theres more lower end torque.
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...icle_id=339233
Remember, the K24 motor in the acura is a K24A2. our oz euro's are K24A3 motors and are a little less powerful than the american counterpart.
Thanks...Quote:
Originally Posted by BLKCRX
Could someone post up a photo guide on where the ecu is (I know passenger side glovebox, but where? Under or behind the dash?) and how to remove it?
It's behind the center console. you can access it by removing the side panel (somewhat triangular piece) on the right side of the passenger side footwell...Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
should i have any worries about taking the ecu out? :S
i won't wanna break my car :(
lol
Cool! I was looking at the wrong place then. I'll have a poke around this evening to see how it's set up. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
Save yourselves the hassle of removing the ECU to find out the code.
Stop in at your nearest Supercheap and pick up a telescopic inspection mirror. I grabbed one on the way home for $9.99.
http://img148.echo.cx/img148/5787/in...nmirror7eg.jpg
Use a torch to illuminate the ECU and work the mirror up between the side of the ECU (which faces the front of the car) and the centre tunnel so you can read the numbers off (they'll be backwards obviously) and have a helper write the numbers down for you as you read them out.
Simple painless and done in less than 5mins :)
Oh and I believe the number you'll be looking for is above the barcode. My May 2004 build ECU number is: 37820-RBB-Ö01 (Ö=O for Oz :p )
lol.. smart thinking there matell
I'd love to have my car tested but how does it work with VAFC?
Also, I need my car running 7 days a week, so I guess I'll have a miss.
dayyyyynmmm matt, no wonder your an engineer!!
No idea about the interaction with VAFC, or time without a car...that's what I keep my Camira registered for! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by euro77
lol. There's always an easier, more efficient, and common sense way to do things.Quote:
Originally Posted by baboo
u coming on sunday matt........?
Might do if I can be bothered wasting 4hrs on Saturday washing, polishing, and waxing my car. Poor thing needs a wax, but it's just such hard work!:(
I have an auto Euro....is that worthy to be a lab rat??
After June or so I will have to another runabout car, so I am definately interested.
Give James an email and find out :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Slugoid
Just noted the post from Hondata on acura-tsx.com announcing their success at reflashing the Aussie ECU where the ECU code is RBB-Q01, not "RBB-Õ01" which is what I interpreted it to be using this lazy persons method of finding out the ECU number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matell
I blame it on trying to focus on small font text, reflected and inverted on a piddly little reflecting surface with my eye's at all sorts of strained angles ;) lol
James is going to think me a total jackass with all my correcting emails :o
Have been too lazy to check, but can anyone confirm if the code is the same for 05 built models?
05 built models might have different code.
This is going to be great....
who said EURO can't fly....
http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22990Quote:
Originally Posted by blkeuro
In the US, I read that Hondata still hasn't come out with the 05' ECU version of the upgrade.
Ah - that answers my question. Well Im not too keen to be the 05 ECU guinea pig, so I'll just sit tight and wait. I am keen however, to pay for a fully tested official release .. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Matell
actually, closer to home, powerchip.com.au has just released a chip for the euro. power claims are 151kw/240Nm. But it cost a cool $1990.
powerchip is crap.
A dyno will be the way to determine if its worth it.. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by MiSloVic
If its like the Kpro for the DC5R then it should be around the $1800 mark...hopefully cheaper :)
Well it is not like the Kpro - this is a reflash. KPRO includes hardware - this is just a software change.Quote:
Originally Posted by blkeuro
The reflash should be cheaper than Kpro - in the USA the TSX reflash is $599USD. I would expect us Aussies to pay a little more - say $1000AUD but we need to wait and see and I am just speculating.
is it really worth $1000 for just a little bit more power ? (that according to the hondata website isnt really that noticible)
1000 is a bit of dosh :S
Depends on what you want. People fork out $500 for those silver plastic trims kits in the Euro. Just a few pieces of plastic. The Hondata will be noticeable - don't focus so much on peak power gains - look at the change in the curve - the power arrives sooner and there is much more. For the TSX there is 29hp increase at 6000rpm.Quote:
Originally Posted by kam
The Euro may also see a bigger gain as it is detuned compared to the TSX - or is that just wishful thinking! Time will tell.
well what I was trying to do was do a price comparison...since we never got the re-flash for the DC5R like the RSX-S in the states, so I figured that would give an indicative price...but yeah I guess the re-flash would be much cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
i think it'd be worth it even for a grand... just depends what type of gains we'd be looking at.
like yfin said there's even a chance will notice more than a 29hp gain at 6000rpm if the difference between k24a3 and k24a2 is only in the tuning.
But yea, powerwise this mod should make a big difference and coupled with a good intake and headers you could be looking at close to a 50hp gain in some part of the rev range... all for under 2 grand :p
Im a cruzer, i enjoy driving slow and easy. im about all 'looks' and no 'go'. and thats fine with me. if i wanted "go" there are a lot of other cars out there. And what with all the stupid speed limits and the huge fines for doing 3kph over the limit, 60kph would be the average maximum speed that i drive at...
1000 could go into a nice set of extractors and a catback.. would that do more wonders over an ecu?
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Originally Posted by VirIIx
No way could headers+catback give you a gain of 25hp at any range RPM!!!
Check out the dyno graph (attached) that is supplied with the PowerChip product - not even a true reflection of the euro's power/torque curve!! what are these guys trying to pull?! Sounds like a bunch of BS to me.... :thumbdwn:
Hmmm...couldn't attach any files for some reason...try this link
http://www.powerchipgroup.com/Datasheets/1/Hon0064.pdf
There are too many dubious claims and data in that brochue to warrant any further comment. Buyer beware..........
that sure can't be euro on that dyno!!!
They say the powerchip does not interfere with the Honda warranty.
I think Honda may have a different view if, for example - there was a problem with the Honda ECU and it needed to be replaced. Or perhaps if there were engine problems due to the increase in power.
Sure there is speculation in all of this - but I don't think Powerchip can say how Honda may view the chip.
Damn this is exciting to heaar...hopefully the bang will = the hype so far around it..
since its software change as discussed..i assume this means you could flash back to stock?...i dont know why you would want to ... but yeah whats the go with that ?
any more news on the hondata?
Extractors and exhaust would probably provide similar or slightly greater peak gains but they would be much less noticable than the ecu treatment given the huge gains throughout the rev range.
Also waiting to see if HonData will be available in Perth for 2006 Euro Sport/Euro models.
And if there will be a local installer / tuner in Perth :)
More news..... Doug from Hondata USA was here the other day and they did some more testing. I am now running DC5 Cam gear on my engine which I beleive James maybe offering as an option this alters the cam angle by up to I think 50 degress (but don't quote me). I don't know the full story but they were running better than 135+KW at the wheels with the honda standard exhaust and extractors and only the ECU tuned. I don't know the full details but I will ask James to post information on his other site. The exhaust and extractors are being shipped as we speak so they should be here in a week. Once double checked against the car they should be on the market... Sorry I can't say anymore cause I am not sure about the finer details.
OMG woot =D this is the best news i heard all week
The nm figures thru parts of the rev range don't make sense!!!They're overvalued.325nm@6500 rpm in std form???i thought max.torque is 223 nm@4500?There's something not right here.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by blkeuro
Sounds GOOD please keep us posted.I'm hanging off doing any mods to my car untill the Hondata gear arrives.By the way,Peekay,the cam gear you are testing is it a replacement cam actuator(i think that's what it's called)or replacement cams.Cause i've heard you can rep.the euro actuator with one from an integra or crv!Apparently these allow for cam angle up to 50 deg.wereas the euro 1 only allows for up to 25 deg.can someone here verify this?cost is approx.$240.00 plus fitting(4 hrs to fit):pQuote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
I can confirm the Cam timing Gear was replaced not the Cams.
This must be what my guy is talking about!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
sound so sweet :D
o mans wheres the update on the exhaust!
Deliverey is suposed to be this week. Will update when I know....
Bring it on Peekay... That wait is almost over. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
yes im gettin all excited and having wet dreams hahaha =P
lol i wanna see the numbers vs prices ^^
Please keep us updated re:price and packages available.Also if there's going to be a group buy.I,like the others are quite keen!!!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
This product is shocking. I remember reading an article, and they sell like $4.0million worth of them per year. They've advertised regularly on MOTOR and WHEELS for countless years, which means the mags themselves have never written anything bad about it..Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
And then, some golfer decided to put some money and to a joint venture to promote it overseas - I think it could be Allenby..
This world is weird indeed. At least Unichip actually works.... :D
Why is it shocking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
Know any one who's had one fitted?
To a Honda?
To a Euro?
this product is still under road tests.. but there's a superb short film at hondata website where they compare two 04 euros one with the flash and one without...
so u will kno why it is shocking!
I had one fitted to an 02 Subaru liberty that i used to own.cost $900.00 fitted.I thought it was good value for the money.The figures they're quoting for the Euro though don't make sense!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by msnealo
Why Powerchip is shocking or Hondata is shocking?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamchen
Got a link to the clip?
I can't get any quoted figures from the Powerchip website.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
this thread is starting to get very confusing... its what happen when the information people really want to know if kept under wraps for so long.
That clip is a vid of 2 TSX's. Not Euros.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamchen
could post a link to the vid? cant find itQuote:
Originally Posted by jamchen
http://www.hondata.com/reflash_tsx_06.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by sports06
and scroll down to "feedback from 04 TSX owners" and click on the pic to download the video...:wave:
Thanks for the link. :)
Still not convinced.
considering u can still (possibly) maintain ur warrenty and no modifications required... i reckon its on my must-do list..
This is a notorius product in the tuning world that nobody actually wants to touch (to people confused, this is NOT HONDATA I'm talking about but something else. Hondata seems to be a better product). Why? Because it can affect the car negatively in too many ways. There are many cases of known engine failures, idling and stalling problems, hesitations during acceleration, and unfortunately for turbo car owners, it likes to 'pretend' to work well on a turbo car application when it hideously installs a pneumatic bleed valve to increase boost without the owner knowing, which easily increase seat of the pants power, but then leads to the car actually pinging as shown on a dyno. UNKNOWN to the owner because they can't even hear the pinging going on, but its picked up on the dyno time and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by msnealo
I've seen it installed on BMW M3s (E36), Commodores, Nissan Pulsars, S14 or S15 200sx, Porsches, Audi A3s. I haven't seen on installed on a Honda Euro Accord because its not available. A lot of people I know had problems with this chip, i.e. Commodores engine breaks down. Pulsar rev-limit is raised but the car hesitates and blows out white smoke. S15 200sx owner so distressed because not only his car produces less power than my S15 with a stock ECU, but it stalls.
The biggest reason and suspicion that should tell u to be weary of this product? Because, they ALWAYS advertise the wrong 'potential' power gain of the car models. The common mistake customers make is that, they always buy the chip or ECU or piggy-back system that promises them the most power. That is 100% the WRONG APPROACH.
In reality, as long as any ECU works well enough - all cars should only make similar power when tuned properly. Putting an APEXi PowerFC or E-Manage or Unichip or SMT6 on a certain car might net you say 8-10KW. Putting a full MOTEC worth thousands more, doesn't actually mean you'll get 15KW out of it. You'll still be restricted to around 8 or 10KW, as a figure of speech. As long as the potential's already realised, and the ECU hasn't any problems, AND a good Tuning Safety Margin has been put in, and even considering that the Aftermarket or Factory ECU is able to pull off Timing in case of bad fuel or problems, that maximum power gain is always similar between good-enough ECUs. The choice between ECU's should be mainly because of the other optional fine tuning parameters, ease of retuning, tuner's knowledge, price, etc, NOT advertised power output.
To say it simply - a product which advertises it gaine MORE power than everyone else, ESPECIALLY when the dynographs shown are very dodgy or falsified and/or the aftermarket dynographs shown are 'wrong' or 'too good to be true', you can rest assure that in the long run, this product is killing your car.
This chip isn't tuned in Real-Time specifically for your car either (actually so is Hondata in that respect). This is a very bad thing in general, especially if your car is modded. The other thing - under their website, they list Synergy/Ultimate/Optimax as under one category of fuel. In reality, these 3 fuels have very different amounts of boost and Ignition Timing that could be run.
The problem with most 'chip' owners is that they never even bother to put their vehicle on a dyno after installation. Because when they do, they'll realise they might have only gained slight throttle response, but power hasn't actually gone up, yet the car is pinging its head off due to excessive timing. And on turbo cars, the boost has crept up, power has gone up, but for that boost level the car is actually down on power even compared to a stock ECU running exactly the same boost. That's because, the tuning is completely wrong for that boost level... even though power is slightly up, its damaging the car :p
Have a look at this and see what you think???Page 5 blkeuro.:thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by msnealo