new comer : Integra GSi

Hi, looking for a car, and thought of the integra GSi. I just turn 17 and i am not sure if i should get the car or not. I found a 1999 model for around 18grand, is that good?. Does anyone else is 17 and has a GSi? if do, what are the insurance like? also, i noticed that earily integra has sunroof as standard features, but later model doesnt, can anyone tell me whys that?

and last, the GSi only has 107kw. is there any possible power gain to the VTi-R standard of 124kw??

If integra aint a good car, then any suggestions would be appriciated

thank you

its seriously up to you... the gsi is not vtec i believe and it may be hard trying to reach the same power as the vtir version. you might be able to find a slightly cheaper one than 18, but i think they would be around that price for the 99 model.. insurance depends on the company and considering it is classified as a 2 door 'sports-car' then its going to be a bit more expensive. the integra is a great car, by all means go ahead and get it :P

if you do some good reading of the forums, you should be able to peice together any information you would need on purchasing a honda.

Good luck :)

welcome to the forums by the way.

why dont you post in the introductions aswel :)

buy a slightly older vtir for the same amount of money
there are more mods avail for vtec engines

get a free quotes with READY PLANS INSURANCE Company ... 1300 131 366 ... when i just got my teg, i went around and call around for quotes from AAMI, RACV, JUST-CARS and other.... i remember i paid $750/yr thru Ready Plans, this year only 630$... i am pretty happy... i remember other comp quoting for over 800$...

good luck dude

Hey.. I have seen 1998 Integra VTI-r going for 18k before.. try looking around if you're not in a rush to buy a car..

You can get VTi-R's for about $16,000 these days easily. They are far better than the GSi but will be more to insure. You should get quotes for both models and see which ends up being cheaper. It depends a lot on how much money you have but i highly recommend getting the VTi-R and if you can't getting a different model Honda. The GSi is a sluggish unattractive car.

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You can get VTi-R's for about $16,000 these days easily. They are far better than the GSi but will be more to insure. You should get quotes for both models and see which ends up being cheaper. It depends a lot on how much money you have but i highly recommend getting the VTi-R and if you can't getting a different model Honda. The GSi is a sluggish unattractive car.

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BAHAHAHA.... *takes the bait*
The GSi and VTiR share basically exactly the same features barring the engine and ABS systems.
A 1995 GSi will LOOK exactly the same as a 1995 VTiR DC2... except the VTiR is colour coded on the door panel mouldings and comes stock with 15" alloy rims (as compared to the 14" steelies on the GSi).
If you are after something for performance definitely get an older model VTiR. As tanghy mentioned, there's plenty of performance and go fast mods for the B18C VTEC engine.
However if you're 17, not that speed orientated and looking for a decent package with nice looks and decent power then a GSi should be fine. It handles equal to a VTiR stock, and the same suspension/handling mods can be thrown on both cars.
Oh yeah...apparently the non VTEC GSi engine is easier to turbo as well....
Or you could just listen to those who have absolutely no idea about what they're on about............ :P


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Sorry AK, it's 5.30am and i've been driving for way too many hours....
Good luck in your search buddy.....



(wishes there were some non- "sluggish" stock GSi's in Melbourne....... would teach some ppl a lesson :roll: )

You just turned 17 and you want a GSi? Are you a stock broker? How do these kids afford this stuff? Ok you might be able to BUY the car, but not be able to OWN it. Think about it...

Insurance, accident repair bills (there WILL be some), pety mods to be cool to your mates, fuel and services. All adds up man. Dont be another one of those people that buy something just for looks. I'd love and integra, but on the same hand I wouldnt want one if I was tearing out my bum hairs to afford it (Guess I could own a Ferrari with the amount I have LOL!).. Think about your financial situation first, then maybe consider something a bit cheaper to run (Civic etc)..

Theo

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You can get VTi-R's for about $16,000 these days easily. They are far better than the GSi but will be more to insure. You should get quotes for both models and see which ends up being cheaper. It depends a lot on how much money you have but i highly recommend getting the VTi-R and if you can't getting a different model Honda. The GSi is a sluggish unattractive car.

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BAHAHAHA.... *takes the bait*
The GSi and VTiR share basically exactly the same features barring the engine and ABS systems.
A 1995 GSi will LOOK exactly the same as a 1995 VTiR DC2... except the VTiR is colour coded on the door panel mouldings and comes stock with 15" alloy rims (as compared to the 14" steelies on the GSi).
If you are after something for performance definitely get an older model VTiR. As tanghy mentioned, there's plenty of performance and go fast mods for the B18C VTEC engine.
However if you're 17, not that speed orientated and looking for a decent package with nice looks and decent power then a GSi should be fine. It handles equal to a VTiR stock, and the same suspension/handling mods can be thrown on both cars.
Oh yeah...apparently the non VTEC GSi engine is easier to turbo as well....
Or you could just listen to those who have absolutely no idea about what they're on about............ :P


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Sorry AK, it's 5.30am and i've been driving for way too many hours....
Good luck in your search buddy.....



(wishes there were some non- "sluggish" stock GSi's in Melbourne....... would teach some ppl a lesson :roll: )

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I didn't say the GSi and VTi-R don't share the same features.

By the way, the GSi does NOT look exactly the same as the VTi-R because the mouldings are colour coded, the wheels are bigger and the VTi-R also comes standard with a spoiler. That and the fact the VTi-R comes with a far better engine/drivetrain package and ABS makes it a far better choice. Like i said earlier, the only thing might be insurance.

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I assume that is aimed at me?

will be wiser to get a car with abs and airbag

believe they were not standard on gsi

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will be wiser to get a car with abs and airbag

believe they were not standard on gsi

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ive never raced a non sluggish GSI. all gsis are slow if they are stock.

in terms of looks, there isnt much difference between the GSI & VTI-R. Just small subtle things as joneblaze mentioned above.

But the GSI is a good platform for future mods for either Natural aspiration or Turbo applications. It all depends on your goals for the car.

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You can get VTi-R's for about $16,000 these days easily. They are far better than the GSi but will be more to insure. You should get quotes for both models and see which ends up being cheaper. It depends a lot on how much money you have but i highly recommend getting the VTi-R and if you can't getting a different model Honda. The GSi is a sluggish unattractive car.

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BAHAHAHA.... *takes the bait*
The GSi and VTiR share basically exactly the same features barring the engine and ABS systems.
A 1995 GSi will LOOK exactly the same as a 1995 VTiR DC2... except the VTiR is colour coded on the door panel mouldings and comes stock with 15" alloy rims (as compared to the 14" steelies on the GSi).
If you are after something for performance definitely get an older model VTiR. As tanghy mentioned, there's plenty of performance and go fast mods for the B18C VTEC engine.
However if you're 17, not that speed orientated and looking for a decent package with nice looks and decent power then a GSi should be fine. It handles equal to a VTiR stock, and the same suspension/handling mods can be thrown on both cars.
Oh yeah...apparently the non VTEC GSi engine is easier to turbo as well....
Or you could just listen to those who have absolutely no idea about what they're on about............ :P


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Sorry AK, it's 5.30am and i've been driving for way too many hours....
Good luck in your search buddy.....



(wishes there were some non- "sluggish" stock GSi's in Melbourne....... would teach some ppl a lesson :roll: )

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I didn't say the GSi and VTi-R don't share the same features.

By the way, the GSi does NOT look exactly the same as the VTi-R because the mouldings are colour coded, the wheels are bigger and the VTi-R also comes standard with a spoiler. That and the fact the VTi-R comes with a far better engine/drivetrain package and ABS makes it a far better choice. Like i said earlier, the only thing might be insurance.

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80% of GSi's i've ever seen come with a spoiler. Most people upgrade wheels as a basic aesthetic/perfomance mod. Colour coding costs under $300. The price difference between a GSi base model and a VTiR is a few thousand dollars.
So as I have already wasted my time previously mentioning, the only difference between the two models would be the more powerful VTEC engine and ABS.
Not very "moderate" of a moderator to slam a particular model Honda as "sluggish" and "unattractive" is it? What happens if you hurt the feelings of the miniority of GSi drivers on the forums? :roll:
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Or you could just listen to those who have absolutely no idea about what they're on about............

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I assume that is aimed at me?

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You're a smart cookie.

Lets all calm down and help this guy out with his car. Wanna net-fight, go to Lounge or somethin :)

Suspension is not the same between GSi and VTi-R

For starters, the GSi does not have a rear sway bar, and VTi-R does.

VTi-R comes stock with front upper strut brace, GSi does not

Just my 2c worth!

Oi JON: Dont forget the vtiR comes with moon-roof! durrrR..your forgetting the most important thing mate.. hahahah just teasing ya mate! :)

AK: i would suggest calling around getting quoutes first, on both Gsi and VtiR before you even go shopping for a car. Trust me you dont want to buy the car, bring it home and then find out that insuro is too much for ya to pay. Dont forget, you pay insurances, rego, pink slip, regular maintenance and repairs if any required and most important FUEL for the cruiz and runs! hahahaha 98 octane only casue hondas dont settle for second best, only the utmost most! :)

GSi comes with sunroof and moonroof. Also a 14mm rear swaybar. Identical to that of the VTiR.
I forgot about the VTiR's factory front strut, which is missing in the GSi. My apologies.


EDIT: I always thought "suspension" referred to springs/shocks etc, and things like swaybars and struts were more "handling" mods.

ahhh... yes your right JON!... sorry my fault.... forgot they do come with moon roof... Many Appologies mate. :)

hahaha boooost, dont back down, get jon e blazing at you! AHAHAH

hes fat and unattractive and sluggish! ;)

but id like to see any of you race his unattractive sluggish non vtec integra ;) pornstar? vti2? cmon!!!!!!!

Errm... didn't Pornstar run a dc2 VTiR with a few goodies installed? lol... I don't think i'll go there... :)

hahahah fried... just admitting my errors...
hasnt the Gsi gone up against any vtecs?

Hi AK,

Was doing abit of late night reading and came across this thread on HT.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=766802

Sorry for fukn up your question thread, hopefully this assists you in your decision making. :)
It basically outlines the pros and cons of both the DC2 LS (USDM GSi) and GSR (USDM VTiR). As you can see the argument has two sides. Also that thread is very performance based and they're in the US... so do a little more research along with this reading.


jon

If you can get the VTEC get it dont go non VTEC Ive got non Vtec I liked the shape of the LS more so I cose that over the speed thinking I could mod it and get quik time but their is no substatute for power straight out of the factory U now its done properly and any mods u make are worthwile. Go the VTEC..

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Hi, looking for a car, and thought of the integra GSi. I just turn 17 and i am not sure if i should get the car or not. I found a 1999 model for around 18grand, is that good?. Does anyone else is 17 and has a GSi? if do, what are the insurance like? also, i noticed that earily integra has sunroof as standard features, but later model doesnt, can anyone tell me whys that?

and last, the GSi only has 107kw. is there any possible power gain to the VTi-R standard of 124kw??

If integra aint a good car, then any suggestions would be appriciated

thank you

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If ur thinking of modifying your future GSi to the VTiR standard even before u got it, then obviously the GSi is not a car for U. Makes sense????????????
18k should buy u a nice 1995 - 1997 VTiR with ~100k+ km on the clock.
Get the pre-purchase inspection done, from a Honda dealer for ~$170.00 - Good investment! But being a Honda and if serviced regularly, it should O.K
If u can't efford to pay the insurance for the VTiR YET, get something cheaper for the time being.
Test drive Toyota Echo Sportivo. It could be an eye openner for u. :shock: Insurance shouldn't be a problem. Holds value pretty well and there are quite a few dress up and hot up items for it, including the full turbo kit, if u decide to keep it.
Good luck :!: :!: :!:

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You can get VTi-R's for about $16,000 these days easily. They are far better than the GSi but will be more to insure. You should get quotes for both models and see which ends up being cheaper. It depends a lot on how much money you have but i highly recommend getting the VTi-R and if you can't getting a different model Honda. The GSi is a sluggish unattractive car.

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BAHAHAHA.... *takes the bait*
The GSi and VTiR share basically exactly the same features barring the engine and ABS systems.
A 1995 GSi will LOOK exactly the same as a 1995 VTiR DC2... except the VTiR is colour coded on the door panel mouldings and comes stock with 15" alloy rims (as compared to the 14" steelies on the GSi).
If you are after something for performance definitely get an older model VTiR. As tanghy mentioned, there's plenty of performance and go fast mods for the B18C VTEC engine.
However if you're 17, not that speed orientated and looking for a decent package with nice looks and decent power then a GSi should be fine. It handles equal to a VTiR stock, and the same suspension/handling mods can be thrown on both cars.
Oh yeah...apparently the non VTEC GSi engine is easier to turbo as well....
Or you could just listen to those who have absolutely no idea about what they're on about............ :P


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Sorry AK, it's 5.30am and i've been driving for way too many hours....
Good luck in your search buddy.....



(wishes there were some non- "sluggish" stock GSi's in Melbourne....... would teach some ppl a lesson :roll: )

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I didn't say the GSi and VTi-R don't share the same features.

By the way, the GSi does NOT look exactly the same as the VTi-R because the mouldings are colour coded, the wheels are bigger and the VTi-R also comes standard with a spoiler. That and the fact the VTi-R comes with a far better engine/drivetrain package and ABS makes it a far better choice. Like i said earlier, the only thing might be insurance.

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80% of GSi's i've ever seen come with a spoiler. Most people upgrade wheels as a basic aesthetic/perfomance mod. Colour coding costs under $300. The price difference between a GSi base model and a VTiR is a few thousand dollars.
So as I have already wasted my time previously mentioning, the only difference between the two models would be the more powerful VTEC engine and ABS.
Not very "moderate" of a moderator to slam a particular model Honda as "sluggish" and "unattractive" is it? What happens if you hurt the feelings of the miniority of GSi drivers on the forums? :roll:
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I'm not going to bother arguing with you. You are a waste of time.

Not only do you go out of your way to be nasty, but you seem to take a stab at me in many of my posts. Yes i am a moderator, but i'm not here to fit some image that you seem to have of moderators. We are here to moderate but have our own opinions. I've offered my opinion on this topic and if you don't like it SHUT UP! For Pete's sake, stop blowing threads out of proportion with your bitching.

Get a life.

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Suspension is not the same between GSi and VTi-R

For starters, the GSi does not have a rear sway bar, and VTi-R does.

VTi-R comes stock with front upper strut brace, GSi does not

Just my 2c worth!

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What ? ANOTHER " ohh i think i know so i will post?" post ?

GSI and vtir share the same swaybar ( 14mm) , and same suspension( if not all componements of the sussy). . . amoungst other things " teh gsi is quick".

The GSi does have a sway bar, I used to have one!

The BEST information you will EVER find on Integra's - be it GSi, VTi-R or Type R would have to be at www.team-integra.net

They have articles and some INCREDIBLY knowlegable people that frequent the site. I highly recommend you sign up and take a look (it's free afterall)

Basically - whatever plans you may have for the car, there will be something there to help you - along with information about the different models and their respective differences. Just remember, as someone said previously - the GSR = VTi-R and the LS = GSi

Good luck with buying the Integra.

Cheers, Dave.

what u ppl seem to forget is that there are 2 series of G3 tegs

93-97 and 98-01

series1 GSi comes stock with rear spoiler and sunroof
series2 GSi does not come standard with a rear spoiler and sunroof, but does have ABS and a driver's side airbag as standard

Haha... a lot of you guys always end up arguing because you all have your opinions and always think that you're all right. I've had a few beef posts with vti-2 and joneblaze...
What I find wrong is that instead of encouraging each other, because we all own Honda's, you guys always criticise and talk crap because you have to be right. Why don't we think about the the thread is about and then post about that? In this thread in particular, I think vti-2 has made fair comments and then joneblaze was the one who started the debates. I know everyone has a bit of knowledge and fair points, but there's no need to be always starting crap, just because you think your opinion is right.

ak, if you're looking for an Integra, I think you can find an older model vtir for around $18K. I would definitely go for the VTIR model over the GSI. They're not more expensive for nothing. But don't be fooled by the GSI as at the last ClubRSX/OH dyno day, a GSI with 17's got in the 70+ kw atw range...

no offence ppl, but your dyno's in the eastern states suck

readings are way too low ;)

find a dynapack, more accurate

ah dear... pissing contests and dynos :P

ANYWHO, the gsi is a very underrated car, IMO. the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and jon's car illustrates the fact that a gsi can get along at a very respectable rate. there is basically a bees dick between a vti-r and
a gsi. yes, the vti-r is marginally quicker, but then if we were all so worried about the extra poofteenth second in the 1/4 mile we'd be driving silvia k's or vn v8 commodores ;)

ginganggooly <<--- dam that bloody nick is hard to spell correctly.. :)
anyways hes right, if you can afford it go the vtiR if you cant just stick to the Gsi, not much diff. dude..
Dynos are really only for tuning purposes, everyone seems to be obsessed with these rollers... :)
take it on the tarmac and thats where it counts. Funny that, dc2r is right there is always hissy fitting going around.. hahahaha

I just wanted to correct EG_2_TEG. Firstly, all Gen 3 Integra's exculding the Type R were factory fitted with a moonroof (glass sunroof). Secondly, being the proud owner of a 1995 GSi i can assure you that the 1994-1997 GSi's did not come standard with a spoiler - it was however an option from the dealer.

hmm, could there be any difference between tegs in the eastern states and Perth? :?

cos there's plenty of G3 series 2 tegs rolling around Perth without sunroofs...

ill take any gsi u throw at me :) nah in all seriousness, the GSI motor difference alone warrants the extra cost. u know u can get 4,500 plus for just selling the mecahnical front cut?

i dont really know wahts stock and not stock features, but abs really helps a fair bit, the gerabox is a different box altogether. The chassis im told is different but im not sure about that, so i cant confirm that. Thing is theres a big thing that ppl ahvent mentioned, but gsi have rear drum brakes, tho vtir have 4 wheel discs.

The labour and parts u would need to get that up to a vtir integra alone are worth more than what u woudl pay for a stocker.

aesthetics wise i have no idea if spoilers roofs etc came std. but i guess it boils to performance v looks. if ur just after looks yeah gsi is fine, but remember big wheels will look gay with drums in the back...

Id go with the vtir anyday if i was chaseing performance, turbo, nos or NA, its a much better motor to begin with. u gotta realise that the states have alot of cheaper parts for hondas, the hondas over there are cheap. only the crvtec has really taken off here in terms of hybrid motors, ls vtec was never really done cos it cost so much in labour etc.

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Ubber gay!

ROFL, are you serious??? :)

ALL Gen 3 Integra's are fitted with DISC brakes... You find me somewhere that says otherwise...

As for chasing performance, well the VTi-R and the GSi are essentially the same engine except for the head. If you were gong to be modifying the car - i'd say to get a GSi for the simple fact that you will be able to more easily and more cheaply get power out of it - since tuning a supercharged/turbocharged VTEC engine is quite expensive and few tuners know what they are doing.

i can't remember the firsrt post.. but from what i remember... this guy is 17 and he doesnt say anything about turbo mods (like he can afford it now)... but simple I/H/E mods to a VTEC is better than the same mods on a non-VTEC.

Id have to agree with you there, for low level modifiacation a VTiR would produce better results

This guy's 17 and didn't really mention he was huge on performance or hardcore speed, so he's probably after a good solid first car with reliability, looks and some speed.

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You can get VTi-R's for about $16,000 these days easily. They are far better than the GSi but will be more to insure. You should get quotes for both models and see which ends up being cheaper. It depends a lot on how much money you have but i highly recommend getting the VTi-R and if you can't getting a different model Honda. The GSi is a sluggish unattractive car.

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BAHAHAHA.... *takes the bait*
The GSi and VTiR share basically exactly the same features barring the engine and ABS systems.
A 1995 GSi will LOOK exactly the same as a 1995 VTiR DC2... except the VTiR is colour coded on the door panel mouldings and comes stock with 15" alloy rims (as compared to the 14" steelies on the GSi).
If you are after something for performance definitely get an older model VTiR. As tanghy mentioned, there's plenty of performance and go fast mods for the B18C VTEC engine.
However if you're 17, not that speed orientated and looking for a decent package with nice looks and decent power then a GSi should be fine. It handles equal to a VTiR stock, and the same suspension/handling mods can be thrown on both cars.
Oh yeah...apparently the non VTEC GSi engine is easier to turbo as well....
Or you could just listen to those who have absolutely no idea about what they're on about............ :P


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Sorry AK, it's 5.30am and i've been driving for way too many hours....
Good luck in your search buddy.....



(wishes there were some non- "sluggish" stock GSi's in Melbourne....... would teach some ppl a lesson :roll: )

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I didn't say the GSi and VTi-R don't share the same features.

By the way, the GSi does NOT look exactly the same as the VTi-R because the mouldings are colour coded, the wheels are bigger and the VTi-R also comes standard with a spoiler. That and the fact the VTi-R comes with a far better engine/drivetrain package and ABS makes it a far better choice. Like i said earlier, the only thing might be insurance.

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80% of GSi's i've ever seen come with a spoiler. Most people upgrade wheels as a basic aesthetic/perfomance mod. Colour coding costs under $300. The price difference between a GSi base model and a VTiR is a few thousand dollars.
So as I have already wasted my time previously mentioning, the only difference between the two models would be the more powerful VTEC engine and ABS.
Not very "moderate" of a moderator to slam a particular model Honda as "sluggish" and "unattractive" is it? What happens if you hurt the feelings of the miniority of GSi drivers on the forums? :roll:
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I'm not going to bother arguing with you. You are a waste of time.

Not only do you go out of your way to be nasty, but you seem to take a stab at me in many of my posts. Yes i am a moderator, but i'm not here to fit some image that you seem to have of moderators. We are here to moderate but have our own opinions. I've offered my opinion on this topic and if you don't like it SHUT UP! For Pete's sake, stop blowing threads out of proportion with your bitching.

Get a life.

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You're not going to bother arguing with me? Why? I've never been nasty. You just say stupid shit that i've refuted. Why do i have to shut up if I disagree with your opinions? Isn't that the idea of a forum? All my replies have included information contributing to the topic on hand. I haven't blown this thread out of proportion, I merely addressed your little smartass "moderator" comment that a GSi is "unattractive and sluggish". To add insult to injury you haven't even got your facts regarding both models straight.
Get a life? Cheers for the advice champ. I'll endeavour to take it on board. :)

Get over it guys...just relax.

Why cant you all accept that V-tec's suck ?






LOL

powerwise..... ALL means jack unless ur a trackhead, in which case, get a type-r???

the thing is, uve got all that power, or lack of, but when are u going to use it?

if off the lgihts u feel the urge to burn some shiiiick caaaaaaant with tripple exhaust and fully shiiiiiich 15x12inch subbies in his boot, then it all comes down to the launch, and whhether u can launch ur car right or not.

jons used to slam me in my vtir, simply cos he launched harder, and i didnt get up to him till end of third gear. (mind you end of third is reaching 140km/h, in which case ur speeding well over the limit. so that illegal. so u dont need to go there ;)


jsut get the car u can afford, or that mkaes u happy, and work on ur launch. thats my advice ;)

oh, and sorry, i have to add my bit to the keybaord warriors...... juust give opinions without insults.... (unless taken at a level where the others know it is not an insult) and we'll all be fine.

think happy thoughts..... and remember kids, dont smoke crack ;)

oh yeah, dc2r, dont point fingers...... lol its not nice ;) ;) ;)

ironic, isnt it ;)

jsut cos it stirs up more crap... like sides etc.... jsut be friendly and happy, and tickle bums, its fun, u know you'l like it son ;)

Yeh the 2 cars are quite similar yet different.
I'm too lazy to comment..let's all be friends!

Ive notived Ben just sits there and watches these argument fly right pass him. He doesnt say much! :) Dude... its that s15 of yours mate.... its making you lazy... i say hop back behind a real car like a honda and you'll start talking again.
Hey im thinking of getting a sr20det too ben... what do you think?

We shall continue this discussion in private Steve...

:) :) :)

All gen 3's come with disc brakes? hmmm, im mistaken then, but the gsis i have seen have drums at the rear...


just because he launched harder to win doesnt mean u couldnt have done the same fried. it still means that the vtir is still the better car doesnt it? just meant that u were not as good as him driving.

the vtir or as they say sir is a good car, the gsi is too, but i dont agree that the bottom end is the same, theres a few difference, but the block girdle would be one thing that comes to mind. or am i msitaken again, im not sure.

even all g2 tegs come with discs at the rear

is the actual block of the vti-r and Gsi identical?
or has the Vti-R got better internals?

The displacement between the GSi and the VTi-R differs slightly (by a few CC). Also, the VTi-R has oil jets directed underneath the pistons to assist in cooling, but apart from that - the major difference between the two lies in the head.

that difference in cc is actually the rod length, the GSI rod length is slithgly different to the VTIR...

but all in all the motor difference is enough to justify buying the vtir over the gsi.

only wondering, cos i wanna know how much additional work needs to be done if i consider to slap a B16A head on my B18B block :?

ls-vtec
do a search on the net, lotsa info

and it's not so simple just to slap the head on
you need to provide oil for the vtec head

well, i think i've finally lost the battle about dynos :oops:

pulled 111hp today (32 degrees)
car has pod filter and 2 1/4 catback exhuast

more stats: pulled 15.65 seconds down the 1/4 a couple of weeks ago

im 17 and i picked up my late '93 gsi for $7500 a few weeks ago.
Yes , it DOES ave discs at the back and insurance for me is $550 a year :D (its my mum's car ;) ;) )

Congrats on the purchase.... $7.5k? That's hell cheap....
more info on car? Kms, mods, etc etc...


jon :)

yea thats what the seller got offered for a trade in and cause they were family friends that gave it to us for that price!!

its completely stock at 114,000 ks with timing belt etc already done, a few scratches here and there. I know its been looked after becuase i know the person who owned it (family friend)

i just put an alarm on it and cd player, weighing up my options right now b/w an exhaust, mags or sub and amp

good buy man. VERY good buy. K's are awesome too!