B16B into EK1

Hi everyone,

Was just wondering if the Faq's for swapping a normal Ek4 halfcut parts into a Ek1 would be the same as using an Ek9 halfcut into an EK1.

A mate of mine said that it would roughly take 2 days to swap all the stuff over, dunno if that was including the console and dash, would that be about correct.

One last thing, whats the rough selling price for and Ek9 half cut these days. Any one know any one that has them available?

Any help would be apreciated, as im gonna try complete the swap, with a few friends and myself.

Thanks

ek9 cut goes from 6500 and up (full cut)

we have 1 full cut with everything you need and 5 lug brakes

but you are way too far from syd..

with that cut would it include all the panels and head lights, oh yer would the half cut also have the sensor for the climate control (if the EK9 has climate control)

why not b18c? it'd take the same amount of effort...

last i heard the b16b is more "aggressive" in terms of its cams... but then again.. b18c would provide more displacement..
why not a b16b+b20b(strengthened block)?

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Originally Posted by CeeVicK

why not a b16b+b20b(strengthened block)?

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too much money involved to make it run efficiently...

i reckon just go b18c man.. bang for buck suggestion... :)

yer i had originally wanted the B18C type r, but i spoke to a honda mechanic from perth (I think Gavin's his name from Cypher industries), and he was telling me it is alot easier using an EK9 half cut for the swap, less custom stuffand modifications, less headaches, cos i only have an EK1.

plus this is my first type of project of this scale so im trying to make it as easy as i can for myself.

Form the people on Ozhonda i've spoken to it seems as if $6,500 is the normal going price for a Civic Type R half cut, but has any one seen the ad's in Hot4's, Fast 4's and other mags like that with place's saying they can sell them for $5,000, but when you ring them up they're like um no we dont have any.

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Originally Posted by EG5

ek9 cut goes from 6500 and up (full cut)

we have 1 full cut with everything you need and 5 lug brakes

but you are way too far from syd..

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Do you guys still have that half cut available?

PM him, try keep any dealings to the market place.

there is one for sale on the forum - just buy that and save the headache!!

climate control only comes the facelift model correct me if im wrong

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Originally Posted by CeeVicK

last i heard the b16b is more "aggressive" in terms of its cams... but then again.. b18c would provide more displacement..
why not a b16b+b20b(strengthened block)?

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correct and...

ctr cams = aus itr cams..

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Originally Posted by BlitZ

correct and...

ctr cams = aus itr cams..

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ctr are not = AUS itr cams i was told

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Originally Posted by furiou5

yer i had originally wanted the B18C type r, but i spoke to a honda mechanic from perth (I think Gavin's his name from Cypher industries), and he was telling me it is alot easier using an EK9 half cut for the swap, less custom stuffand modifications, less headaches, cos i only have an EK1.

plus this is my first type of project of this scale so im trying to make it as easy as i can for myself.

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Gavin's a nice guy..and he specialise in hondas....went there a couple of times 2 get some things done to my DC...
personally i tink getting a EK9 1/2cut is v.rare and pricey yet doesnt give u as much power as u get frm a JDM DC2R 1/2cut...if im nt wrong..the B16B only makes 10hp mre than a JDM B16A which makes 170hp..do consider...mre displacement = better:thumbsup:

Yer more displacent is good, also been thinkin about the price difference between a normal b16a and the b16b.

but like i said before everything from the ek9 is a straight swap bolt out bolt in,
spoke to an importer in perth today, hopefully he wont fall thru.

B18CR will be bolt in. only thing extra you'll need is EK4 engine mounts

anrt the axel's n stuff different, will the radiator aircon and all that crap bolt in too?

There is a reason that Spoon makes a stroker kit for the b16b.

Now just for your info, yes B16b has more aggressive CAMs but it will still make less power due to smaller displacement. You should go B18c.

Both have the same block (as the b16 has a destroked b18 block) wiring is identical. Seems to be the case with all B series.

I would say that they would require the same amount of work.
The only difference is it might be cheaper get a 1.6 engineered and insured.

why don't buy a b16a halfcut than mod it.
like change aftermarket cam and ECU.

hmm i guess if u got the funds then why not?
it would be a nice conversion
then again, u gotta follow with all the other necessary upgrades that comes with it

i have an ek4, and would LOVE to have a b18c7 in it.

thort about that, black ek, but if i wanted a b16a civic i'd have just bought an ek4.
like i said was after a b18c r, but was advised it was easier to use an ek9 half cut

otherwise, turbo is another cost effective option!

But considering the fact of swapping a b18c to an EK, it would make the car more difficult to handle because of the extra torque. I was pondering on the same thing too. Whether to get a B16B or B18CR. I have spoken to couple of ppl and they say the B18CR requires abit more work. Also swapping the B18CR, you will have to mod the suspension also the rims. THat will cost abit.

Coping with the extra torque wont be that bad, there isnt that much extra torque down the line, but if you were talking turbo then yeah guess there will be more bottom end power
Anyway, i say a set of good coilovers will fix the problem.
What do you think?

hmm... I better do more research first b4 making my decision. Ahhhh... bloody engineer's cert and registration. This is a going to be a pain in the A$$... better rethink again whether B16a B16b or B18c

Engineer cert is to stop you from getting defected, or pretty much a way out to stuff like that.
But if your car remains stock looking, and everythings honda honda, it would be really hard to distinguish the difference unless the police was honda gurus ??

yeah... but you see i am in victoria. Worried about getting into trouble and stuff. what if i can't get engineer's approval... also what do i tell vicroads about the car. "erm operator, it's a 1.8L civic".

also the engineers cert aint just to deal with cops its for insurance.

If you dont let them know you've changed motor and got someone to check it out they'll try stooge ya.

Whooo hooo finally ordered my half cut, roughly 3 week wait yay

what motor did you decide then? b16b?

where you end up ordering it from?

yeah.... which one you decide to go for?

bought an ek9 half cut, i orderd from a guy that imports stuff himelf from japan.

I got the guys contact in japan bought a whole ek9 with 60,000 on the clock.
I felt bad when he said he was gonna chop the car up:( poor ek9.
When i herd that i made him chuck in the seats, rails, tail lights and rear brakes

roughly 3 weeks till it lands:D

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Originally Posted by furiou5

bought an ek9 half cut, i orderd from a guy that imports stuff himelf from japan.

I got the guys contact in japan bought a whole ek9 with 60,000 on the clock.
I felt bad when he said he was gonna chop the car up:( poor ek9.
When i herd that i made him chuck in the seats, rails, tail lights and rear brakes

roughly 3 weeks till it lands:D

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congrats mate..that wld b a very special ek for sure.....are u in vtechnique forum?its a perth based honda club...we do go for cruises regularly..and lotsa civics/integra hehe

i tried creating a log in on vtecnique forums last friday, havent been able to log in so far. But yeah i've been hovering around the site since i got a flyer on my car in 2003 at belmont park during PAS

I also herd you had a cruise on the other night, missed out

by the way has anyone done the B16B conversion into a civic in perth yet. Ive seen a few with B18CR's never a B16B, however a little birdy has told me there are quiet a few with civic type r motors running around

Make sure u do a log of the conversion with lots of pics! :) Which workshop is doing the conversion for you?

way ahead of ya, organising a mates digi cam, dont think ppl will apreciate dodgey shots with my shonky camera phone lol

which ek9 did u get/ non-facelift or face lift model?

coupedup dunno havent checked yet,was way to excited, only told the guy to get it ready to send this week.

No workshop doing it, just getting a few friends to help me through it. Try get a mechanic to help oversee everything tho.

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Originally Posted by furiou5

i tried creating a log in on vtecnique forums last friday, havent been able to log in so far. But yeah i've been hovering around the site since i got a flyer on my car in 2003 at belmont park during PAS

I also herd you had a cruise on the other night, missed out

by the way has anyone done the B16B conversion into a civic in perth yet. Ive seen a few with B18CR's never a B16B, however a little birdy has told me there are quiet a few with civic type r motors running around

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i dnt tink there are any B16B runing around...there a a couple of jdm B16A EGs....B18C EG around....B16B is rare

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Originally Posted by vteccoupe

i dnt tink there are any B16B runing around...there a a couple of jdm B16A EGs....B18C EG around....B16B is rare

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yeah he's right... we are pretty rare!

Good shit i like rare stuff

so how much did it end up costing?

congrats on the purchase,, gonna be one sweet ride!

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Originally Posted by newbie

so how much did it end up costing?

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how much?

ill ask what everyone else is asking which wont make a difference to how quick he replies





how much?

$7,000 it cos me for the half cut

thats really good! well done... and did that include rear brakes as well, what about the interior?

yer included the rear brakes, yer the only interior goodies i'll get are the console rails n seats

thats unreal! good buy... can't wait to here your results!

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Originally Posted by mini_s2000

thats unreal! good buy... can't wait to here your results!

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yeh wat he said.. good price!. congrats again.. dam gonna be one nice civic!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

what colour is your car? you could make it a ctr replica!

my cars silver so yeah i could make a replica, i was looking at trying to get the boot off the ek9 too as they dont have a rear wiper, plus maybe have a type r wing. Got a mugen front bar waiting to get sprayed too.

Anyways all thanks for all the support, cant wait for the results too.

Im hoping to get it all fitted and running within a month of the halfcut landing, but you know shit never is done in the time frame you make.

However there's a little something something extra, that ya'll will have to wait and see when its finished, i have a feeling some wont like it tho

sounds good should make a project worklog or something :)

sweet. gonna be nice.
if you wanna get activated on the vtechnique forum put up a post in the intro section asking to be activated.

good luck!

thanks for the info sivic,

However new news has come to light, for a little extra (told the importer i wouldnt make the price public) i've decided to have the whole car sent over.

Now i have a huge problem, rip appart a prefectly good civic type R and make a replica, or keep the civic use it for motorkahanas n track meets, and drive on permits.

big decision to make before it lands

just rebirth the ek9

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Originally Posted by Perry

just rebirth the ek9

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i think that you would be silly by rippin apart a perfectly good ek9.

yer if it was possible to get away with rebirthing i would, but i dont really want to become someones bitch in jail

i was told it will b easier rebirthing ek9 where u are ask ur local wreckers or work shops regarding about it first or just strip the ek9 and put everything over

The customs people have been cutting cars in half lately. Unless you get a race permit it won’t be aloud to leave the docks in 1 piece. id just transfer everything into your car.

PS: race permit requires L3 Cams licence not something that’s cheep or easy to get

yer i was told the car would be coming through as a rally car, ah cams licence that rings a bell, hmm i dont have one, i wonder how im gonna get the car out

i'll make some calls tommorow, more info tommorow night

I got pics too, i'll upload them when im not half asleep :D

As long as import approval has already been done it shouldn't be a problem. JMS in Adelaide had a rx7 that came in as a full car for "parts" customs made them cut the car in half.

I did look at importing an ek9 for a track car but the information that you had to provide to dotars was just stupid and you had to provide proof that you were currently active in motor racing already.

Best thing to do is call your importer and ask if the car has import approval already and under what sort of approval it’s coming into the country

yer i spoke to them today, the price he quoted me was out of the docks.

Currently im working with Quit Targa West, lots of the people involved with organisation, race other events, plus my uncle used to race Targa Tasmania.

:D fingers crossed no problems arise

booo hooo, looks like customs will want my car chopped in half, will know by monday the latest if it will come in whole :(

ohh thats crap...

its a bitch, but no big deal i guess, just strip everything and put it in my ek1

yeah true! it should be fun and you will learn alot more doing it that way...

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There's the pics, i soooo hope customs dont make me chop chop

nice!!

wow, now yets pray they dont murder it...

yes murder is the exact term in my mind for them wanting to chop a perfectly good ek9 :(

oh damn they are cutting that ek9 in half =( looks hot