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ok, the EM1, EK4 and delsol all share the same engine, b16a2 right ?
and they weigh:
EM1 = 1114kg
delsol = 1114kg
EK4 = 1131kg
the power:weight ratio should be the same on both EM1 and delsol, and slightly worse on the EK4..
then why do people call delsols, delslows, when logically, they're faster than EK4s ?
Because they get beaten by EGs hahaha!!!
same chassis type I guess...
they call em delslows cos it rhymes
because in the US not all del sols came with b16a's. in fact most didn't.
oh and they're slow.
lol....yeah most del sols have sohc engines.
Are them weights rights???? I always thought EK4 was lighter than the EM1.
EM1 is lighter than the EK4??
Is the EK4 built with a stronger body or sumthing? Where is the extra 17kg from? (not that its a big deal, just wanna know since the EK is smaller)
For 1.6L I think they are all quick. I call them del slow's cause its funny.
No they're all tortoises except for yours Dean :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DLO01
NOTE:
All GEN3 CRX's (Del-Sol's) sold in AUSTRALIA were B16A2's.
European, Asian and USA markets recieved both DOHC and SOHC varients.
Because "logically" people compare a car with its abilities on the track as it is most likely to have all the dynamics of the vehicle tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by tRipitaka
Throw 3 stock versions on a track with the same driver and come back and tell me which one is quicker.
not the AUDM ones..Quote:
Originally Posted by mini_s2000
apparently the sunroof adds that extra weight...Quote:
Originally Posted by AF1
Yeah, the sunroof contributes to the slightly heavier weight of the EK4 compared to the EM1.
All EK4's came standard with sunroof (not 100% sure), but the sunroof wasn't even a factory option from Honda for the EM1 :thumbdwn:
correct EM1's dont all come with sunroofs they arne't standard. where as all ek4s come standard with sunroofQuote:
Originally Posted by SiR
The TARE weight of an EK4 is 1105kg.
In wheels magazine etc, the CRX is quoted to be faster than the Civic VTiR. The Civic had a 0-100km/h of 8.8. After over 20 tests of this with a GTECH pro we measured it to be between 7.5 and 8secs flat. They also quoted the CRX has 158HP compared to the Civic of 160.
I agree with SPEEDCORES response :)
It is also important to note that by the CRX being a Targa does NOT make it lighter. The chassis is heavier because it has more reinforcements to prevent flex and body roll due to it not having a structure of those cars with a hard top.
The NSX and NSXT is a prime example !
so whats faster then?
dont think the EK4 is heavier than the EM1
EM1 is heavier than the EK4
no doubt
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpos...00&postcount=7Quote:
Originally Posted by [[d a n n y]]
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpos...9&postcount=13
well i know for a fact that my 96 del sol is slow.
driver maybe?
i race at PI every month on sunday with my project car. average. 2.00.34, 1.59.48, 2.02.09
dude... isnt the ek4 1100...... the EM1 is 1114... i remember its 14kg heavier....
I dont think u can compare it on the track as it got different geometries...
The ek4 would be equivalent the em1/CRX down the straight.
Its so close that driver/tyres would decide the winning faith... the car wouldnt be the blame.... you better off blaming your fat ass or crap saggy rear springs.......
Around the track the EK4 naturally better... well designed for track... EM1 isnt too bad after some suspension work... CRX forget about it..
EK4 backweight ontop of wheel (natural neautral steer)
EM1 Back weight too far cause oversteer (can be corrected lookat the dc2s but not natural)
CRX sucks ass..
Yes.:thumbsup: thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlitZ
Its written on your registration papers kids :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Civic Type R
the Rego papers aren't usually right, i've seen some where they are completely wrong.
But the EK4 is heavier than the CRX, but lighter than the EM1.
I've seen the specs from a Blue slip book my mechanic had.
at the end of the day del sols are hotter looking cars
sif.Quote:
Originally Posted by samsider
yeah, need to find out via track work... cant really say without proper proof... tRipi, email
BMI and get them to do a episode on them ;)
TARE are the most incorrect weights given. If you follow those youll get no where.. in victoria anyway.
Im with Adrian (SPEEDCORE) on this one ...
straight line id say they are very much the same. Your spliting hairs with the weight. 17kg difference is all thrown out of whack when you get a small asian guy weighin 55-60kg and a big aussie/wog weighing 100ish or more
bOng if your tossing up between the 2, just get the one you like the most.
Delsol interior is cosey as shit i loved it ... shits over the EK interior IMO, but EKs styled right, nothing is hotter.. especially if its 99-00 face lift
any civic = family car.
del sol = sports car
Well theres also another angle to look at.
I dragged my car when stock and got 3x of 16.2
A friend dragged his EK4, also stock and got 15.6
He is 15kgs lighter than me but so what.
I weighed my car at the Motorplex drag strip on that occasion and it was 1123kgs. The car had everything in it and about 20l of fuel.
Negative. NAh I like the look of all of the above. I guess everyone is different. some ppl like JDM look and some like pimped out look. Give me any of the above and some cash to spend on it so it will look and run how i want it to and i will definately not say no.Quote:
Originally Posted by samsider
No..jk
:D :D
:thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by z3lda
wat about ek9?
go do a survey and ask this question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Integra_Type[R]
"is a Honda Civic a family car or a sports car"
90 out of 100 people u ask on the street will say Family
the other 10 wont even know what a civic is.
which is why ek4's are such sleepers =)
not much of a sleeper if its slower than a del sol if u ask me :P
who cares.
The CRX is marketed as a Honda Sports car.
The Civic is marketed as a family / hair dressers car.
However, there are performance varieties of the civic which can be defined as Sports etc or hot hatches. I.e. EK4 and EK9
At the end of the day, both cars are almost exactly the same so the biggest factor is driver ability than a few kgs here and there. :cool:
funny people categorise civics as family cars... just because they have a family car segment doesn't mean shite all... what chassis/build do you think the CRX came from??
CR-X ie civic racing experiment? but yeah i agree who cares? who cares that the every tuning house in japan runs an EK9 or EG6 as one of their track cars... don't see many CRXs around... when in doubt look to the source... and that ain't the yanks.
Top fuel have made a project Del sol. EF, Eg and Ek civic
respect to the EF!!!!!
An EF tuned JDM style would be hot !!! soo much better then a del sol or ek!!!
speak to Ekslut :) actually get him to post up some piccies :)
Bah... who cares, they are all nice cars. I actually like the styling of Gen 3 CRX, especially with kits.
All three cars that initially where being compared at the start of the thread are great cars and you just really need to weigh what you really want out of a car and go from there.
THERE IS NO REASON YOU CAN'T HAVE FUN IN A DEL SOL OR EM1 ON THE TRACK!!!!
My preference is EK4 out of the three and I will be passionate about discussing why. Please..... don't take my comments as elitist, cause like I said.... all 3 cars have their place. :thumbsup:
I almost was gonna fly to melb to kick Sir JDM's arse when he told me he sold his del sol. :p
Then he finally produced pics of his new EG.
Now I'm flying down to steal it... ;)
lol thats funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by SPEEDCORE
Sir JDM's went from EG to DEL SOL then back to EG
Good to see he came back to the dark side :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
i rest my caseQuote:
Originally Posted by Civic Type R
sport = fast
family = slow
i went from gen2 rex to eg then back to gen3 rex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
cuz once again.
civic = family car
crx = sports car.
But what point are you trying to make Zelda.
I dont see any Type R Crx's ..
I track my del Sol regularly. All I can say is. UNDERSTEER CITY :(
common mistake, CRX does NOT stand for civic racing experiment!Quote:
Originally Posted by type one
it's 'civic renaisance model X'
and please stop calling del sol's crx's as they are not a REAL crx :p
you guys are talking about tracking a del sol.... del sol's were never designed to be tracked, it doesnt take a genius to see that. they're just a nice girly road car;)
bongers just have a think about how you will use the car and if/how you plan to mod it. if you need back seats obviously the del sol is outta the picture, you prolly would choose a civic over it too if you wanted something to track (i'm not saying you can't track a del slow, just saying the civics are more suited to it) on the other hand the del sol has the chick attaction and funky targa roof factor.
just think of simple things like that when you make your choice.
chick attraction overweighs everything.. :p
we were put on this earth to reproduce, not to track cars ;)
and Civic Type R..
I'm comparing b16a cars.. I didn't mention ANYTHING about CTRs..
hahahQuote:
Originally Posted by Civic Type R
my point is to let everyone know that a civic regardless R F H G or Z its still a family car ahahha
yesh indeed...
crx are sports cars and civics are family cars..
Thats why in the states they only come with D' series engines and are called del slows..
Meanwhile they get Civic b16a Si ahahah
And in japan..
you get the EK9 ........
Who cares.... Everyone likes different cars which is a good thing. Or we all be driving the same car, with the same mods, and it would just be G A Y.
man i dont get u guys..
whats the difference
they pretty much have equal performance.
down to the bone.. they are essentailly the same based on the same chassis.
ahahahah true.. haahha just wanted to boost the image of the civic just incase i wanted to sell it ehehehe..... ;) its all fun
Some good info here guys....so lets back it up with numbers as opposed to opinions :)
Bong, as i said to you a million times, practicallity wise, the del sol don't cut it... if the del sol's got the chick
attraction, yes indeed thats good but you aint got no back seats to continue to the next phase ;)
As everyone has said; the del sol for looks and attention (sunroof) and the civic for practicality.
well there's no such thing as a practical 2 seater car, they're all purely for the driving experience.
no honda (perhaps bar the NSX) was designed to be a track car, think about all the modifications that you need to do to all of them (better suspension, 10 million additional chassis braces, etc.).
so it's a null point to begin with.
i would think the the R's were all designed for semi track..
Dont think any other manufacture has such a well prep track car..
Dont they come std with no radio a/c (no one get ac in hondas).. and no sound detoning in JDM land
i should have probably left out the NSX...
and placed both the NSX and ITR under 'semi-track' car like you said Blitz.
OK I think we are comparing appleas a oranges here.
A Civic is an apple - available in many versions with varieties in power etc.
A CRX is an orange - available in one version (performance)
A NSX is a banana - sharing sex appeal amongst the female motoring enthusiast.
Because my crx is faster, Gen2 SiR, B16A1, under 900kg ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tRipitaka
but yours isnt a delsolQuote:
Originally Posted by BSRacer
it's a crx
how could CR-X be Civic Renaissance model X when they were available at the same time?? Is it that the japanese don't understand how to use the english language properly??
to this very day Japanese are still known to inncorrectly harness the power of engrish :)Quote:
Originally Posted by type one
And -
A CRX is an apple too - available in many versions with varieties in power etc.
(b16a , d16a8 , some 1.5 SOHC ?!?)
Thats why all the AUS spec cars are Granny Smiths...Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
And all the ones from JDM are Mt Fuji (initial D style)
Bloody honda australia
ahahhahah
delsols are faster cause they're usually red :p
why do u wanna know which one is faster? its prob like a 0.00000001 difference at the end and because of this post next time someone wants to buy a car they're gonna base their decision on this thread and buy the thrashed and sh*t "FASTER" car out of the 2 and pass up on the other one that might be more clean and reliable and in the end they end up with a rusty box, not a car.
errrrr ok then..Quote:
Originally Posted by mj3610
What do you guys mean by speed?
Top Speed? Acceleration? Track Time?
The first two would see all three variants performing almost equal. Having equal power and insignificant weight differences. It would definitely come down to driver and tuning.
Track time would have to go to EK4. Having better suspension set up and more rigidity in the chassis..
But for looks... nothing hotter than a lowered black EM1... simplicity at its best!!!
Dont confuse the situation !Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
We are only referring to the AU Gen 3 CRX ~ otherwise known as the Delsol ;) here. They are only available in 1 variety - B16A2
coz the power to looks and style ratio is bad.