as the topic says, are these kits anygood, more specifically the stage 2 kit?
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as the topic says, are these kits anygood, more specifically the stage 2 kit?
i would go custom ! or talk to age from Razz Tech, but it all comes down to how much money you want to spend... in general you want a few key things
Correct fuel and ignition management
4 larger injectors
Nice large size turbo ball bearing if you can afford it, the larger side of
things help traction, gives you more power as you rev.
Nice stainless steel manifold
i could talk all day regarding conversions but yeah ;-) go custom it will be much more expandable
Regards James
this is what is included...im lookin at a budget or $8-10k... this is down the track (i was initially looking at all motor .. but i dunno still in 2 minds)
Integra DC2 VTi-R Stage 2
Kit Includes: Cast Exhaust Manifold, 320hp BB Turbo, S/Steel Heat Shield, Link Plug-in ECU, Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator Kit, FCD, K&N Air Filter, Front Mounted Intercooler & Rubber Intercooler Pipes, 2.5" S/Steel Dump Pipe, Quality Hoses, Clamps and Fittings
$4954.54
http://xspeed.dreamhost.com/catalog/...2b366fc174a82a
how much for labour and on top of that hondata s200 and dyno tuning?
would i be better off swapping any of the parts in the kit?
any help would be good
Also im in Perth if u know anyone here i should talk to
vti-2 edit: post removed. You have a PM.
Please keep this on topic.
I've seen a DC2R with the AVO kit.
It does the job. I think the quality of the install will matter.
The one I have seen didn't use the link ECU that AVO offer, instead he went PowerFC. Also upgrade to a Koyo triple core radiator + oil cooler.
The AVO kits are reasonably good for the price. Only thing is you'll have to upgrade the injectors and find a trusted workshop to find you a good ecu. There are many debates on which ecu to go, it all depends on your budget, goals and workshop you go to.
I personally would purchase only the manifold/heatsheild, turbo, dump pipe, oil&water lines.
The cooler and all the piping and fueling (rc injectors, fuel reg, pump) your better off outsourcing or letting your trusted workshop source it.
Then if you plan on going for big power you'll have to rebudget that 10K and budget for a rebuild.
How many kw should your car be putting down from that 8-10k turbo kit ?
Around 120kw atw ?
pffft....with 8-10grand you should be 160 plus kw@wheels
For a vti-r teg ? 160kw atw for $10k ?
Keep in mind that 8-10k does include labour, as the guy did post the turbo kit itself only cost 5k.
But hey, if you can show me a contact (phone, website, email) to get a 160kw atw turbo kit for $10k drive away, i'll be very greatful.
160kw on 7psi on a stock engine, you will never make 160kw.
ok fine you can get fake dyno graphs but believe me iv tuned many turbo Honda running 7psi, fine you can run more boost but for how long until you need to rebuild your engine.
we do basic turbo kits all the time for the b engine, with Adrian from razz tech in melb and typically on a b16 we see a increase from 85kw (NA) to 130kw (Turbo 7psi), on a b18 we see changes from 90kw (NA) to to 135 - 140KW (turbo 7psi)
Of corse the condition of the engine, compression and engine wear plays a HUGE role also in how much power you make, trust me thow 7psi boosted Honda’s are a blast to drive !
spend 10k on a unreal setup nice manifold injectors fuel pump ecu cooler cooler pipes, get it professionally installed, and design your turbo kit to run not only low boost but HIGH boost, so one day you can build your engine and have a absolute crazy car.
Regards James
James, so are you saying it is possible to get my DC2 Vti-r to run 50kw atw more for $10k drive away ? Although not as impressive as 160kw atw still pretty impressive stuff. $10k, no cutting corners, everything done right ?
DC2's a different kettle of fish, the high compression on the engine, makes a large difference.
We have a dc2 right now in the workshop, the car made 190kw on 10psi of boost, the customer wanted to run more than 7psi.
Anyway the engine now has no compression on no3 cylinder the car made power but yeah.
The car was running a motec ecu, tuned by me, which was then further tuned by another workshop, who leaned off the af more than what i would. 1 week later the engine comes back to us "blown" although they did make 210kw at the wheels, ( on a difference brand dyno)
if I was going to tune a dc2 and make it run safe I would never go over 7psi, I would use a external wastgate to regulate boost.
Your in melb.. so pop down to razz tech and you will see the car im talking about.
Adrian by far has a huge amount of knowledge and can custom build you anything.
Regards James
ops
dc2 = type r = the car im talking about..
vtir = different again ;-) much less power.
Regards James
With vti-r's, 7psi is that on stock internals ? 140kw atw is good, going NA would you be able to achieve the same result for the same price ?
i refuse 2 promise KW figures to any of my clients, NO ONE can predict how much power a car will make !! having said that there are only guidelines...
A dyno is a tuning tool not a accurate power output device !
were building a $25,000 b20 engine ATM and that’s expected to make 130kw - 140 at most but at the end of the day it all depends.
Regards James
none the less it will still be a quick car 130fwkw on such a light car :D
reliability should be number one priority IMO.
Reliablity is no1 and also quality this thing will rev to 11,000rpm ;) easy !!
Regards James
dayum!Quote:
Originally Posted by BLKCRX
:P
has Razz Tech got an address and phone number?
Call me and ill give you the required info... - 0417 875 785
Regards James
for a basic turbo setup, u are looking at 5k + tuning if u do it urself. if u get a workshop to do it, ur gonna pay around 2k in labour and markup on every item.
The thing about a turbo is, maybe u will only gain ~8kw per psi, but u have a good 8-12psi to push on a stock engine, depending on turbo and mangement.
im gettin about 165 wheel kws. runnin on 10psi
160-ish on 4.5psi
160ish on 8 psi
oh wait, that was a d16, not a b18c...
dont you have a b16? what kind of compression are you running?Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
yeah, stock everything, including stock exhaust.
and your choice of turbo? Im just curious because 4.5psi is pretty low boost for such a decent power figure.
its a T3 off a VL commodore
I know the thread is OLD, but just shows you the kind of rubbish floating around the internet about what power is attainable.
And all this crap about top of the line turbos and top of the line manifolds is all a ploy for people to sell you shit you dont need.
As a guide, my turbo is a rebuilt VL T3 cost me $300 in the Trading post.
You don't need $5k to do a turbo conversion if you can source parts yourself and turn a wrench on your own...
stock everything? everything as in compression and internals?Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
so basically you have sourced all bolt on & custom goodies, pumped the engine to 160kwafw on 4.5psi on a bloody good tune...
Hmmm... congrats...
Any tips for us del-sol people that need a turbo to get us to the hairdresser's faster?
yeah,
47.5% RESEARCH
47.5% TUNE
5% DOING THE MECHANICAL WORK
Get someone to tune it who knows what the hell they're doing.
exactly
WAY too many people are in too much of a hurry, do no research at all, buy a set up they can't tune, and wonder why their engine blew up and/or they made pathetic power
if you're going to have someone turbo your car for you, research it to the point of where you could do it all yourself.
if you're going to do it yourself, you need to go way way further than that before ever even thinking about picking up a wrench or purchasing anything.
This is what i tell all the guys who msg me about doing a cheap turbo setup. in the end i have given up because a good 9 out of 10 want to be hand feed, which isnt going to work. SO i just quote 5-10k now. its much easier that way :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
yeah I know what you mean.
Nothing gets up my nose more than people asking..
"How much for a ......."
that phrase should be banned on this site.
175fwkw @ 6psi only reving to 7000rpm
would getting the cyl head ported and goin bigger valves, upgrading cams and valve gear be a better way of making more power when the motor gets boosted later on??
i was told a while ago that PnP a cyl head is not worth it if your planning on boosting a motor is that a myth???
im sure PnP the head and goin bigger cams will for sure get the turbo spooling quicker and letting it hold power all the way to the redline.
Whoever told you that should be bitch slapped!Quote:
Originally Posted by locote
so the upgrades i wanna do to my cyl wil help it make more power once boosted???
remembering its a B18B.
They will be excellent upgrades considering the b18b doesnt flow aswell as the b18c, there was a thread on it a little while back if you do a search :)