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Hi there,
HAs any one tried the new octane 100 fuel by SHELL. I have tried it. but I dnt want to be biased or anything. Someone tells me its better for high compression engines eg 12 plus. but some tells me that if your car is tuned on higher octane regardless of compression(to a point). It should still gives more power???
The new octane 100 justb released last week at certain SHELL station. :wave:
i dont believe there is a real point in spending that much money extra on petrol when our cars were tuned to use 92ron fuel. considering that most regular and premium unleadeds r 95+, payin 10c+ a ltr in my opinion is a waste
cheers
so you have tried it?
how was it?
moved to teh tech lounge
Ive heard numerous info about this fuel - such as it is 100RON + 5 % ethanol mix... and that it is only good for hondas of 98 + ~ anything below ( or that is made to use unleaded) could be damamged by such fuel ?
Here is what DJR says
http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?...otorsport.html
If your car is an import or runs on high octane I think your car will perform at peak like he said.
I think for most AUDM cars it will be only be smoother, more consistent delivery of power and torque, better econmy and a much clearner burn. Without tuning your engine to take advantage of the 100octane, I doubt you get or feel the extra 2hp from your engine. It will probably feel like a new engine oil change. :p
U also need to burn more Ethonal to get the same power, so I don't think I will get any extra mileage. Ethonal is not good for pre 2000 cars as Honda listed.
its unreal fuel ;) very very very good ;) all wil be explained soon on www.whichfuel.com
Regards James
good for motorcycles???..........i might give it a try.
ok....I have tried it on my LS but with after market chip claimed tuned on 98 ctane. When i switched back to octane 95. I can FEEL it, that the car runs less meaner. When I switche d to 98. The power gain what noticed.
So my compression is only 9.2.1.
Yesterday I added 100 ctane. I felt more gain than 98. thast why, YOU MUST tried it first and let me know....
I'm waiting for the whichfuel report too! But to me, this fuel will benefit cars with a turbo more, as they would be able to maintain high pressures with less chance of pre-ignition.
i currently have to use 98octane coz i have advanced timing on my 91 Integra, will using this new petrol help me or will it be bad???
my timming advance on distributor had already setting at 1mm from max. Not only that, my ecu had chipped with "power chip" alike from USA-PR4--more advance..
With 98 ctane fuel I still can hear a ping when I DELiBERATLY testing fith at 1200 rpm. But with octane 100. I DNT hear that no more. By the way I find octane 100 makes my engine a LITTLE LOUDER.....IT sounds right but am still doing more trials this week.
where is every one??
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Originally Posted by lspower
are your rpms higher then normal with the new fuel? is that why its louder?
It's the 25th and whichfuel.com still hasn't updated... :(
My ecu revs to 7500 just the same with 98 octane. But it seems the power band can strench a bit longer as compared to 98 octane where the power drops at 7100rpm.
I am sure this is a positive effect.
Combustion will be more complete producing more power with the higher octane rating that's why your engine sounds alittle louder.
Only thing is where the hell did everyone get it from??? my Local shell doesn't have it yet????
Shell Pagewood has it. There is a list of Shell stations with it on the website.
NO FAIR NO FAIR NO FAIR !!!
we even 'ran out' of BP 98 the other week - had to use vortex and shell premium (95.8RON) and man with my JDM motor, it was ratty to say the least.. ohh how I wish we had 100RON over here in Perth :(
i read in todays car guide. dick johnson sed this fuel is top stuff.
only for high performance engines that can be tuned.
dunt think this fuel is recommended for daily drivers wif nominal mods.
i cant wait to put a tank in my accord which is tuned for jap fuel!
quick question.. so would a jdm b16b benefit?
i reckon it would. try it.
This is a damning article on E5 and E10 on yesterday's Carsguide... http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/st...E21822,00.html
i just filled my euro up with this stuff tonight... verdict is still out on it. The engine seems a bit louder and possibly with a bit more power. I haven't found it hugely different to bp ultimate so far tho
This is quoted from the FCAI Website regarding the use of E10 fuel on Hondas
So I guess my EK will be sticking to BP Ultimate!Quote:
Originally Posted by FCAI
u know it :P
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great most are still far away....
Btw.. guys all your JDM engines will love it as 100ron is a standard fuel in Japan. And because we previous did not get the 100ron fuel they had to detune all our engines to run with the lower octane rated fuel here!
I still think that most cars will benefit just gotta try for yourself.
PS higher octane will not hurt your engine, just maybe your wallet!
^^ i reckon my b16b will luv this stuff. will try wen i remember to pump the stuff... will keep ppl posted.
your b16b is gayQuote:
Originally Posted by EK9
Let me know if your B16b dies from the ethanol. JDM fuel has no ethanol. LOL.
does the new fuel contain ethanol??? what about normal optimax?
From now on, Honda will not have any excuse to detune the HP of AUD spec Civic/integra:D
Normal Optimax doesn't contain ethanol. But I have read a news article that shell is testing the waters with Optimax Extreme, and if the response is good, they will expand the use of ethanol to their other fuels.
kinsford shell station has got it. NSW AUSTRALIA
bugger i don't like the idea of being a guinea pig for these fuel companies!Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
how much extra is the Extreme in relation to the standard optimax?
ok did my reading from the stupid shell site now. So does anyone know if earlier pre 2003 honda cars are ok using 5% ethanol? I know the FCAI says that we can't use E10.
Stupid @*(#$@(#* Howard and his dumb E10 plan i hope his car blows up from using the E10 fuel so that he knows what the rest of us have to put up with!
Dang! Thanks for the confidence boost :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I'll give it a go anyway... let's see if my car will go faster!!! LOL... sif :p
For the sake of keeping 98 octane ethanol free, I'll be one of those who boycotts any fuel with ethanol. hehe.
I don't feel any different compare with ultimate and extreme. Maybe i am using stock ecu.
2cents more-1.25 aliter compared to optimax. with my ultra economy shift i did 285 km in 22 liters. shift first at 2000 than skip to third then fifth. the octane 100 is really good because it never pings even at 1000 rpm at fifth floored. The car does not shake or so ever. Tyr the fuel first , if you dnt like it you can always switch back to your favourite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
i would if i was sure it wouldn't ruin my feul seals
honda cars are safe up to 15% blend according to honda manual.....you should be right.
Honda australia's list does not list anything older than a 2002 Integra that will run satisfactorily on 10% ethanol fuel. I'm sure the fuel lines would survive E10, but there are other seals throughout the engine, that might not be ethanol-resistant in the older engines.Quote:
Originally Posted by lspower
Updated list of E10 compatibilities (25-11-2005)
http://www.fcai.com.au/ethanol.php/2.../00000005.html
I just filled up my EK1 Civic with Extreme. I wasn't completely empty, so I won't notice any difference (if any) for a little while. I'll reset mu ecu when the tank is about 3/4 full, because by then all the 98RON Ultimate should have been used.
I'll post how it goes...
**EDIT:
If it stuffs up my engine, I'll use it as my excuse to convince the missus that it needs a new engine *cough* B18c *cough*
:D
e5 is safe for my old integra ls. but e10 would not allowed in austarlia unless we all managed to upgrade. remember, all patrol companies are aim to profitize, if there is a enough demand and support they will keep up. Like octne 95 has been deleted in Shell station.
let us knoww what the outcome is...ill consider it after u try it hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by EK9
Ferrari, who are sponsored by Shell, says they do not recommend the use of any fuel with ethonal. What more do people want??
Yeah also Honda Australia is not recommending the use of ethanol like Aaronng states.
I'll only use the e5 if i'm 100% sure it won't ruin any of the fuel seals.
Only 2002 models up are able to use the e10.
BTW.. FYI Howard wants to allow all petrol companies the be able to use the e10 without having to label!
This govt is going to the dogs!
Shell 95 has only been deleted from the stations that have extreme because of the amount of tanks they have at the site. the site would probably run 4 tanks so they had to get rid of one of the fuel to put extreme in. other sites still have 95.Quote:
Originally Posted by lspower
anyway my brother has called up honda and they have said not to use it.
Ok. No luck for octane 95.
Anyway, after one weeks of using octane 100, not untill last 2 days. the car is running really good and mean. It feels like you want to take on any cars on the street. But I have to reserve that between fuel economy and safety.
Octane 100 does seem to clean up my engine pretty well and defiately a boost increase in performance. Again, we are still waiting for the report on"which fuel to use?".
My car is worth 5000$-6000$ in a good nic. I dnt worr about the seals...
i have used this fuel and i like it feels better more responsive and its only 4 cents more than optimax but i dont like the ethanol part of it so i prob will stick to optimax and only use extreme once every month or sumfin
i'll wait till i used it up and find out if it lasts longer than optimax but so far its very similar
Mate, this government went to the dogs a long time ago.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
Well, my EK1 feels a little bit more responsive after filling up with Extreme - only slightly though. But it could be due to the fact that we've had cooler weather here in the last few days....Seems alright so far.
ethanol will clean out all the junk thats in the bottom of your fuel tank and fuel lines so check your fuel filter after a while if you guys decide to use it. it won't cause you to have to change your filter twice as often its just the initial time you change over to it.
I've been readin up on it and everyone says its alright theres a lot of pros the only concern is with prolonged use and seeing if it damages engine parts.
I would be concerned about filters and injectors but apart from that i can't see any other things that may get effected.....maybe the pump.... dunno. but we'll see how it all goes.
jase
Quote:
Originally Posted by V205
chalk and cheese mate, chalk and cheese
ferrari motors has absolutely no relation a honda motor.
Mate if you wanna clean out your fuel tank and injector i'd rather use injector cleaner and the Fuel Dr stuff as at least i know they are not causing any damage to my engine.
DomenEK - yeah govt went out ages ago but they seem to be getter worse this last yr. Some totally idiotic ideas.
Yeah Ferrari and Honda are in different leagues, their engine are totally different, thus fuel requirements are also different.
I'll wait for honda to give the ok before i use it. ALSO on the FCIA site honda only recommends new engines 2002/3 +, so i would assume they have been using different seals int he past, and only now using seals that can take the ethanol mix.
i wasn't sure so i made the safe call and called Honda,
and they said not to use the new optimax extreme...thats enough for me :D
Shell Optimax is the go for my lude :D
i just rang honda at Roseberry. They didnot know about it whether it will damage or not.
They reckon, if the govenment said so. Let it be. I am going to keep my car for 2-5 years at max. So far so good. If the ethanol should damage the seal, its likely at 10% blend or greater..... e5 is fine.
The list of E10 compatible cars are for E10 only. If you put E20 into the Aus spec ethanol compatible cars, you will still ruin the seals. E5 on your LS would be risky.Quote:
Originally Posted by lspower
Think the problem is the amount of people that change from 98octaine to 100 blend and swear blind that it makes a difference is growing by the day.
BTW did you know that you can also gain a 2hp boost by adding Altezza lights to your Civic..... OR 15hp by adding a Mugen badge to the side.
I mean really people
99% of the crap you hear about these fuels is spread like WW2 propoganda...
Oh Dick Johnston swears by it.
Is this the same Dick Johnston that used to drive for the Ford SHELL HELIX team?
What a coincidence.
The government want to get people to use Ethenol because the fuel is cheaper to make but the can charge more because its "Better"
Stick with the Shell NON blended fuels
or to be really safe just use BP Ultimate (sure its only 98 but its not a blend or mixed with 1000's of additives).
just my 2c
^^ I agree. My steering lock gives me more hp than the 2 extra octane points. :D
I found this site. and it shows e10 is the limit for pre 1980 vehicle. therefore e5 will have no effect on corrsions. ARE you driving an old 1980 civic???
http://www.deh.gov.au/atmosphere/fue.../ethanol-limit
Read the whole article and you will understand it better.
i really dont know if its just me but i have advanced timing in my LS and i was told to run it with BP Ultimate as it is 98octane, i tried the Shell Extreme and the car seems to run a little smoother however i think i experience greater throttle response when running the Ultimate???
can any suggest why i would experience this or could the difference be too little for me to pick up???
you must read the article above I provided. It expains all.
wow i also found that taking my number plate holder from my prelude increases my power by 4 KW... :D j/k
i poured optimax extreme E5 last night to test it out...
the pull to red line feels smoother... and a bit slower...
engine bark isnt as loud...
i think i have to push it harder and see what the hype is about..
what u mean by "and a bit slower"?Quote:
Originally Posted by incoming
Push harder? You mean you did not go full throttle?
What part ofQuote:
Originally Posted by lspower
http://www.deh.gov.au/includes/ssi/a...eader-logo.gif
Did you miss?
Its just more propoganda released by the government to justify their new cause.
Also note that it was published in 2002 and that they use the following examples...
Brazil - A 3rd world country
United States - National Corn Growers Association
Europe - Transport fuel for farmers
Australia - the Sydney/Wollongong basin ...Nuff Said :p
They didnt use daily driving cars as their test sample unless you use Brasil. But if that was the case, we would also looking at having a carnivalle next year and our best samba schools are going to have to make floats and parade down Oxford Street................hmmmmm.
All in all it was to do with the "OIL SHORTAGE" and incase they lost the Iraq supply again.
Just stick to Non Blended 98
Scandals scandals http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/au...howa-a30.shtml
Thanks guys.
After 2 weeks of oct100, I am putting oct98 this morning just too see if i can tell the difference.
YES....its feels smoother......but less brisky.
Smoother means the ignition timming/map is more retarted than oct 100.
Usually you will find that more ignition advance/map means the engine will run a bit londer and briskier...DNT get confused with engine pinging.
I will put back to oct 100 tommorow as I know the oct100 is doing its job. I
So you completely drained out the fuel lines and changed the filters to do this comparison?
Dude you wouldnt happent to be a government agent or something that infultrates car forums to spread the gospel about the new ethanol blands and how great they are?
run your car for a week on one first
then refill with like $10 or 10l of fuel and test.
then fill your car with ethanol blend and run that for a week
then once again refill with $10 or 10l and test.
and by test i mean do some 1/4 mile comparisons, dyno power tests etc.
Otherwise what your saying holds as much weight as someone saying that you can tell the difference between the type r and std civic gear ratios, and the type R turned out to be faster but it was nothing to do with the fact that the b16b was a better engine ...it was all the gearbox ratios*.
*note the sarcasm being the fact that they use the same gearbox and ratios.
I use my fuel till last 3 liters..where almost hit the empty mark. I am very sensitive to my car since I GTEC it all the time in the past. Oct 100 is the way to go. Its only a e5 blend not an e10 blend. I know on the www.fcai.com.au that E10 is for honda 2004 model above. Therefore, we can not say that e5 not safe for 2004 before.
One thing is we must have efi model to run e5, the old 1986 model cabburator...is not suitable...
I am not an gov agent, but rather a Honda enthurist...but I am a chemical back ground, thats why I know e5 will not damage your car. Its too diluted. Its loke put 2 drops of sulphuric acid in a cup of water....and its safe to drink..but if you had 20 drops...it will burn your mouth...haaaa. I hope this helps. By the way my ecu is tuued for optimax 98..therefore the p4 ecu is still good for ajusting the ignition timming when I swapped back to optimax 98. I enjoyed the performance difference.....
Good luck guys...
Imagine if you drank that diluted sulphuric acid everyday. You wouldn't die from poisoning or corrosion, but you would find that you get more mouth ulcers than usual. I'd say, if you are willing to live with the unknown longevity of the seals running Optimax extreme, then go for it. It could be that ethanol does nothing even if we run for 15 years on E5, and those of us who are holding back would have missed out on a good thing. It's all up to the individual. To me, I'm not supporting this sneaky way of introducing ethanol blend into our/car's diets. :)
i put this today in my dc2r.
If you see in the for sale section you can see what mods i have done to the car. Basically its a 32degree day here in brisbane and the car drives like even smoother with the extreme fuel. At first feel it is def worth putting into the car. Even more so if the car has been tuned for 98. I feel in this heat the extra octane gives a slighty larger margin against detonation. If i was keeping the car and every shell had the stuff then i would have the power fc retuned for it.
have putted it on the MDX and yes it does make the engine sound smoother and the throttle is more smooth as well... the car usually have some filtering noise from the engine even for RON 98,.. but extreme got the noise gone...
and swaped back to 98 RON ( optimax) and the noise reappeared again...
so yeah i would love to have extreme again~~~
Ok tonight i took the car out for a good strap. And yes its confirmed it even more......the car loves the extreme fuel.
Pay someone enough money and they will promote anything (dick )
I KNOW A FEW GIRLS THAT LOVE DICK:wave:
Some things to think about below
To many car manufactures recommend not to use it
I also think that the fuel company would have spent a lot of money to change their plants to make this fuel. So they would do anything to get you to use it.
I also think that HONDA and other car companies would have been told that this fuel is on the way so still no real TYPE R . If this is a performance fuel will we now get the performance cars to, prob not, since the performance car maker we already have there cars in Aus say don't use it (Ferrari)
If the fuel is good why don't the V8 supercars (which use optimax) change to extreme ( yes i know they will have to re tune)
we have to wait and see the big super cars...as time gets by....higher octane will introduce eg 102..103..104. But we still need to keep some low octanes for some older cars and "affordability".
Thank you for reading this.