Fuel additive and oil flush

Just dropped my car off at a Perth Honda dealership for its 40k service (euro). They had agreed on the price before I arrived on the telephone.

After I arrived to drop off the keys they tried to "upsell" me to an engine oil flush and fuel treatment. They said it is highly recommended - and an extra $58....

Now at this point I thought about it and said - "no thanks". I remembered some comments on this site about not flushing oil (could be wrong). Anyway - the service guy insisted "we do recommend it". He then made me feel like a tight ass by saying "oil sludge is a big issue these days.. blah blah - $58 is a small price to pay. "

Anyway - I left without getting this done - service guy was a bit cheesed.

Putting aside the oil flush - what is this petrol treatment Honda dealers use? Maybe I can get it at Supercheap for $8 or something :p (i have seen injector cleaner treatment there, etc). Or is this a waste of time.

injector treatment IMO is a big waste of time and money ~ mainly for older engines with crud buildup maybe but hardly warranted for your newish euro.
Keep the thing serviced as per schedule and always use OEM fluids and it should be good for 200,000k's + liek the rest of us hondas :)

yeah new car like yours shouldnt have enough sludge in the fuel tank to warrant a fuel treatment. nor should it need a flush if it has been serviced regularly as there shouldnt be oil sludge.
anyway, an oil flush and fuel treatment shouldnt cost $58.
this wasnt honda north by any chance?

engine flush is pretty good. most places will do it free of charge though (ultratune). It just cause all those cheap generic oils those service places uses breaks down quickly. Never take ur car to kmart auto...

Don't flush if you can, because most flushes involve 0w-20 oil and running your engine with it to loosen deposits. Loose deposits floating around into your bearing journals are bad.... And fuel injector treatment is Wynn's brand. Buy it from Supercheap auto. One dealer I spoke to used Wynns. hahahaha... they charge so much for something you just pour into your fuel tank.

But kudos on not falling for their trap. Haha, yfin - 1, dealer - 0

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Originally Posted by yfin

He then made me feel like a tight ass by saying "oil sludge is a big issue these days.. blah blah - $58 is a small price to pay."

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Right, then the Honda FEO oils they use must be bad :D :D :D..

Good on ya for not falling into their buy more crap.....

engine flushes are fine. Your oil filter should be picking up anything that large and also you shouldn't have anything that large in your engine. You'll normally just see darker oil when you use the flush cos its taking the grime off the walls of the engine.

Injector cleaner help but not that much. Put a bottle from supercheap for like $8. Engine flush costs like $10 at most. So i don't see how $18 --> $58 is justified. Also this is me buying from your general mechanic, image how much they get it for!

Large pieces at worst just scour your walls. It's the fine sludge that poses a problem as it gets into the bearings.

the guy was pissed cos he prolly gets a comission on what he upsells to you like extra stuff that you didnt ask for he prolly gets like $5 extra for selling you something per item. it all adds up if you can sell 1-3 per car and you service say 20 cars a day thats a bit more money in the salesmans pocket.thats how it all works i can tell you most dealerships do this the one i used to work for did this.

cheers.

I've heard the engine flush can remain within your journals and cause excessive wear. As for the fuel/injector cleaner......i'm pretty sure they just pour it into your fuel tank :)

The only way to properly clean injectors is to take them out and have them ultrasonically cleaned.

Glad you didn't fall for the 'upselling' :D

STOP oil flush is very similar to disel feul its very thin and collects all the sludge and debry stuck within the engine while the thinnes of the product dose minimal to no damage (when used properly at idel) wat it can cause is debre to move into sensitive areas such as jornals and cause premature wear to the internals but scince your car has been regularly serviced(every 10000k - 7000K RIGHT!!) this should not be an issue at all as u dont need oil flush

injector cleaner dose absolutely nothing!! and u dont need it as injectors only seas up with extremely bad feul or months of not starting the engine(in engines 150000km and higher) to clean the injectors take them to a shop where they will most likely blast them with solvent

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Originally Posted by sivic

this wasnt honda north by any chance?

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No it wasn't. I ended up buying the Wynns petrol treatment for $9 at Supercheap.

I don't think I will be going back to this dealership - got the car home and noticed that my strut brace was completely loose. Not sure why they had to remove it (checking valve clearances was an item on the service - so maybe that is why) - the least they could do was put the strut brace on properly.

at least they checked your valve clearances if thats the case, but no good leaving the brace loose!

btw.. i noticed that injector cleaner seems to add a little boost in the engine, but i've never noticed it cleaning the injectors. They seem the same once i run out of the injector cleaner

Just serviced my car (5000km) today - it's a new Euro Sport.

All I wanted was for them to drain the oil, put in a new filter and the Motul 4100 I brought with me. Instead, they did a full service, check of my car and "fuel injector cleaner costing $14".

So a $120 oil change ... I'll have to double check that oil level too - I have a feeling it's just a little bit too high as I've got almost nothing left in the bottle. *hmph*

$120 for just being too lazy to change the oil myself because of work commitments.

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Originally Posted by tanalasta

Just serviced my car (5000km) today - it's a new Euro Sport.

All I wanted was for them to drain the oil, put in a new filter and the Motul 4100 I brought with me. Instead, they did a full service, check of my car and "fuel injector cleaner costing $14".

So a $120 oil change ... I'll have to double check that oil level too - I have a feeling it's just a little bit too high as I've got almost nothing left in the bottle. *hmph*

$120 for just being too lazy to change the oil myself because of work commitments.

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$120 is good. It costs $200 here in Sydney if you bring your own oil.

I have used an oil flush in my car when it hit 200K - main reason I tried it was because a good friend recommended it. No complaints, used it in my car and my mum's ek4 which has 240K on the clock. Cleaned the engine right up and both cars have been idling even quieter since.

as for servicing, oil changes and easy stuff I do at home....

cost of honda oil filter is approx $15. Cost of oil approx $45.

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Originally Posted by yfin

No it wasn't. I ended up buying the Wynns petrol treatment for $9 at Supercheap.

I don't think I will be going back to this dealership - got the car home and noticed that my strut brace was completely loose. Not sure why they had to remove it (checking valve clearances was an item on the service - so maybe that is why) - the least they could do was put the strut brace on properly.

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it's annoying when the dealers try and push-sell random crap onto you.

was any adjusting needed re, the valve clearance ?

btw, does this mean you're back from travelling?

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Originally Posted by Chris_F

it's annoying when the dealers try and push-sell random crap onto you.

was any adjusting needed re, the valve clearance ?

btw, does this mean you're back from travelling?

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I didnt ask if any adjustments were done - I am pretty sure the invoice just says ´checked valve clearance´.

I am not back from travelling - my quote above is from December 05 - someone just bumped up this thread :D

I'm also in Perth - which dealership was that? I'd love to find myself a nice Honda dealer who is honest with his/her servicing and has good quality control as well.

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Originally Posted by tanalasta

I'm also in Perth - which dealership was that? I'd love to find myself a nice Honda dealer who is honest with his/her servicing and has good quality control as well.

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I cant remember to be honest but it wasnt Honda North in Scarborough. Following a not so positive experience there (not bad - just not great) I wanted to try somewhere else.

I think it was on the Leach Highway but cant be sure without looking at the receipt (can you see I dont know Perth well?)

You went to Prestige Honda.