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Big talks have been arising between myself and some mates on whether an S2000 would beat a 1995-1996 Nissan Skyline GTS-T...
I've been in both, and think the S2000 is quicker, what are your opinions guys...
Seeing that there is no "Standard" 1/4 mile time from an aussie imported (complied) gts-t that i know of, post up your thoughts, and your times from stock or whatever, to help us compare...
We are going to drags end of month...
s2000 will beat it easy, i have a dc2r and it beats those 32 and 32 gtst easy by 2 car lengths
Use one of those 1/4 mile estimators that they have online. At least it is better than guessing or trying to extrapolate a stock GTS-T time from a modded one.
Stock S2K makes 130KWat the rear wheels
STock GTST makes (R33) 150KWat the rear wheels
the GTST will beat the S2k but not much.
agreed,Quote:
Originally Posted by [[d a n n y]]
and that isnt even taking into account the torque of the nissan over the slug that the S2000 is off the line.
what about weight? S2000 would be a fair bit lighter correct?
what about the weight difference?
and doesnt the stock gts-t have 184kw (Jap spec)? whereas the s2000 has 176kw at the engine? where is the loss in power to wheels on the s2000 side? Not to mention the power to weight ratio...
Ive heard that they are very close... but want to hear some proof from drags...
I recon the S2000 will be quicker.
Stock R33 skylines (well the ones i've gone against) are not that much quicker then my DC2, in fact one was slower.
The problem is that not very many skylines are still in stock form...
Dont R33 skylines way about 1500kg? What does the S2000 weigh? 1000kg?
I thourght it was more like 141kw at wheels..Quote:
Originally Posted by [[d a n n y]]
if straight line is all u after.... dun go with honda
the s2k will might just beat the 32 GTST but againts the 33 GTST no..but it will give it a good run.
Just SMSed my mate who has a R33 GTST with 3inch xorst, upgraded intercooler, tuned ECU and CAI, he was dynoed with 161rw KW. So i'd expect a stock one to have much less then that, say around 140rw kw....
I recon it'd win, depends if the skyline is 4 or 5 speed. I doubt R33 GTST's surely would be in the 14's stock.
i can say from my experiences that the s2000 is quicker than a stock R33 GTS-T. Managed to beat it easily...not sure about a modded r33 though.
any gtst wont stand any chance to a s2000, if they cant win against my dc2r they wont win to an s2000 at all, ive beaten gtst's 4/5 easy run,
my mate was beten by a s2k a while ago, it easily beat the r33 and he was fairly shocked and was driven by an older lady! the r33 was stock just with BOV added. Hes got a full exhaust and about 160 170kw at wheels so would prob be closer now.
judging by 0-100 times kicking around id imagine the S2k would win. Granted the S2k is a little sluggish off the line, it would nail the GST-T in 2nd gear.
lolz on tat.Quote:
Originally Posted by EGB18CT
i rekon s2000 will give a good run with R32,32 gtst. it wont be much difference.
but if both with similar modz, straight line s2000 wont have much chance..:(
honda is more built for corners:thumbsup:
stock for stock s2k easily as ive seen it before,
s2k is lighter, no turbo lag, higher rev range and also rwd so no traction issues
moded gtst with exhaust cooler higher boost then skyline
A mate of mine had an R33 running about 11psi (from memory) with an aftermarket cooler and he ran a flat 14 sec pass (car was otherwise fairly standard). So the R33 is a pretty slow car standard, its the ones that have been heavily modified that you need to worry about. :)
S2k will win. My friend's wrx can beat r32/33 gtst pretty easily and its stock. And he gets beaten by the s2k on the top end.
stock r33 gtst skylines are pathetic
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by 0098
Hahaha my mate made same thread on Skylines Australia :P
we are both keeping it a secret trying to find out whats faster... i think we have a winner from reading this...
http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/for...owtopic=101680
Hahahaha makes me laugh...
I'd say the s2000 would be quicker if launched properly. Otherwise they're pretty close and it depends on the drivers.
i had a few drag with Nissans,
my s2k VS S15 Silvia Stock with air intake, i was winning 1/2 car length
my s2k VS R33GTST stock with 18 inch rim, i was winning 1 car length
my s2k VS Ford XR6 Turbo stock i was winning 1/2 car length
S2K launch around 6-7000Rpm.
those are my personal experiences with few mates. btw my S2k is stock with spoon air filter and carbon bonnet, FYI i think S2k is around 1280Kg in weight.
According to this: http://www.importdriver.com.au/Coupe_Targa.htm
Stock R33 Gts25t do 6.21sec 0-100km/h & 14.4sec qtr mile (keep in mind thats a BRAND NEW SKYLNE running JAP 100 Octane Fuel)
when my r33 was stock as rock on aussie 98 octane it ran numberous runs of 6.9-7sec 0-100km/h
Stock R33 have 184kw@fly/engine and 294Nm of torque and weight around 1370-1390kg (average have 130-135kw@wheels) Power/Weight Ratio = 7.55 (the lower the quicker) BUT that does no take into account TORQUE!
Stock S2k have 176kw@fly/engine and 208Nm of torque and weight around 1259kg stats taken from carsales 0-100km/h 6.2sec (i'm guessing on Aussie fuel since Oz-spec) Power/Weight Ratio = 7.15
FERRARI 360 MODENA 294kw@engine 373Nm of torque Weight 1390kg Power to weight ratio = 4.72
as you can see from comparing the Farrari (which is obviously faster the lower power to weight ratio the quicker the car)
my opinion... Stock for Stock S2k will be quicker then a stock R33 but not by much (but not many R33's are stock)
R33 VS DC2R (stock for stock) pretty even, depends on driver. <stock DCR2 0-100km/h 6.9-7sec?>
thats my 2c
my mates have raced this one out and the S2k won by just over a car length. r33 GTST are nuggets.
s2000 will win for sure,last wime i tested my car at WSID and 4 skylines r32 and r33 gtst-s were there and the only mods i could see were intercooler and exhaust and they all ran in the 15s,with my 14 sec car i still yet to be beaten by one.Gts-t drivers these days still think its cool to drive a stock gts-t which i think it isnt.They are very slow on stock form
very interesting reading fells, espeacially from the nissan peeps.
NA all the way :)
...until you see your wallet when you want to get more power :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ECU-MAN
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Originally Posted by aozora
LOL! True
hehehe should try Modified R33 GTST VS S2k Modified on track :) i driven both s2k and R33 GTST, love them both, but i prefer S2k coz of the looks and coz its a vert :)
all i can say is..its all up to the drivers!
Torque makes a car "feel" faster. When a skyline GTS-T is on boost it feels sooo powerful. These turbo p platers drive around thinking they are the king of the road. I keep telling these kids...just because it doesn't have a turbo, doesn’t mean it won’t be fast. They're like "what? is an S2k really that fast?"
From experience, the boost of the Nissans means that they are running more horsepower earlier so will seem frustratingly quicker as you try to get up to the magical 6000rpm. However there is nothing like seeing and hearing a Honda pull away at max revs away using pure power to weight.
If the S2k driver knows how to gear his car above the power band...he's on for a win.
Stock R33 GTS-T produces 220whp on 0.7bar and i think stock r33 is slow before 3rd gear, when you shift to the 3rd gear it goes like a rocket. I agree that S2000 is fast since that it produces 240ps on engine but if you really own one you will notice that s2000 is lack of torque and the gear ratio is quite long unless you can get 4.4 final gear.
If you are trying to compare this 2 cars, i will say that for 0-100, s2k will be faster and R33 will on 0-400km
i use to own a 33 with just catback, and i have driven johns (FLY) s2k and the 33 will beat it no worries (sorry john).. but for a 2litre NA car, it was pretty damn quick.. by far the best NA car i've driven!
lol Phil u nissan freak. But we are talking about stock vs stock, btw ur car was quick had fmic, microtech and some other stuff in it :pQuote:
Originally Posted by NEED VTEC
i agree with you completely on this point. :thumbsup: stock s2k run 4.1 final gear which in my opinion just is slow, dc2r i think have a 4.7 final gear which is why it is a quick lil car, most ppl tend to do either 4.44 or 4.56 final gear mod on the S to make up for the lack of power or pull in the lower rev ranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by spoondc2
your mates cars pretty low powerout putQuote:
Originally Posted by Felix
my mate with 10psi
3" exhast from turbo back. and pod makes 190KWAtw
skyline would own s2000
my gsi owns both ahaha
Then its no longer stock, stocks mean factory and nothing been done to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragons2k
I thought these "vs" threads are banned?
Anyway I love these threads as they are more interesting and always get heaps of responses, unlike most of other threads, boring to the max with only couple of ppl responding...
s2000 should be a little bit faster but they are also harder to drive...
S2k is a sporty convertable, R33 gtst is a GT, so in the short run the s2k might have the edge (eg 0-100) but for top end (eg 100+) the skyline is in its domain, so at the end of the day I would have to say the gtst has an upperhand in terms of speed.
This answer is simple. In "stock" condition the R33 will hit its computer limiter at 180kph anyway. I S2000 will own.
i dont see the point about these threads....it always seems to be 2 different cars of significantly different classes.
In the end , it really is the driver rather than the car - so take it to the track or off-street drags and find out for yourself !
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