Motor mount inserts and all new bushes

I recently upgraded my motor and now that I have a lot of extra power I need to apply it to the road

I purchased a complete bushing set called HYPER-FLEX bushing kits from Energy Suspension in the US

This kit included:

- Front Control Arm Bushings
- Rear Control Arm Bushings
- Front Strut Rod Bushings
- Front Shock Mount Bushings
- Rear Shock Mount Bushings
- Front End Links
- Steering Rack Bushings (power steering)
- Transmission Shifter Stabilizer Bushings (manual tranny)
- Tie Rod End Boots (did not use)
- Ball Joint End Boots (did not use)
- Front Sway Bar Bushings - 22mm
- Rear Sway Bar Bushings - 15mm
- Rear Trailing Arm Bushings

All bushes are POLYURETHANE and I chose red, black is also available

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This is every bush in the whole I car couldn’t find one untouched

The kit was around $240 au, very cheap compared to that I got quoted $200 for just rear trailing bushes locally not fitted

I got these installed by a suspension specialist as I didn’t want to spend all week trying to push these bushes in myself

Fitment the bushes cost $600


I also purchased the motor mount inserts from Energy Suspension
These slip inside your existing engine mount to make them a solid mount therefore a stiffer fixture to the body
This reduced the amount of play my motor had dramatically as it would almost lift out of the engine bay upon acceleration
Now its as stiff as a rock so the power can go to the floor
Having the mounts make a lot of the vibrations travel throughout the car, so if you like having a smooth ride don’t bother to get these

This set of three motor mount inserts front, back and side cost around $40 au
They don’t make one for the gearbox, who know why not?

The motor mounts I installed my self therefore was free
The front and side mounts are easy but the rear is very difficult not much space to work with, the inserts fit very tight

All up for the bushes and inserts cost $340 au including delivery to my door via UPS

You can see below the red circles are the bushes and the yellow boxes are the motor mount inserts

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My existing suspension upgrades included yellow Koni adjustables, Pedders springs and a front strut brace
Before I had the strut brace installed the seams on the strut towers started to split and come apart
The hard driving and stiff shocks did this but once the strut brace was put it in it rectified this problem

My cornering was always good but now its even better
The bushes was most noticeable in the shifter stabiliser, it is more straight to the point with less wobble
I also have no more annoying squeaks or rattles
The ride is a little stiffer then stock but I like it like that
The motor mounts and new bushes helped with my wheel tramp/hop problems reducing it slightly but it’s still a problem
I have a LSD box


Total cost of this project was $940 + my labour

The money could have been spent elsewhere but the way I drive it had to be done.

I am yet to be out handled by another car

interesting, so confident buddy

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Originally Posted by kayot1k

interesting, so confident buddy

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hahahaha i was about to say the same thing


but good work with teh choice in mod... i woulda put half of em in myself... not a hard job, especially for strut top, sway bar, etc...

got the money aint got the time so what do you do

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Originally Posted by kayot1k

interesting, so confident buddy

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not saying my car is the best handleing car out there but it is the best i have ever driven
and i havent come up to a car that can handle as good as it is on the streets

is your dash rattling like crazy?

I still have my motor mount inserts sitting in my room, i've had them for abour 18months now, i just cant get the bolt on the front mount off.

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Originally Posted by man.exe

is your dash rattling like crazy?

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my dash has a bloody TV coming out of it where the air vents are
when i pull seconds the screan flaps around like crazzy
but i have removed the whole dash and tighted and reinforced the whole thing coz stock it used to rattle like hell now its tight as i have had the tv fall out of the mount before

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Originally Posted by ACTI0NMAN-1

I still have my motor mount inserts sitting in my room, i've had them for abour 18months now, i just cant get the bolt on the front mount off.

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I have removed mine at least 5-6 time is the last 12 months
only one side will spin, the nut has a locator on it so it want budge
you have to undo it from the bolt
thats if you didnt allready know that

can u change engine mounts without an engine hoist?

howcome u didn't use the ball joint end boots?

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Originally Posted by EG_2_TEG

can u change engine mounts without an engine hoist?

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you dont need a hoist just a trolly jack will do just to hold the motor up from below it want fall out

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Originally Posted by krasyvy

howcome u didn't use the ball joint end boots?

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they dont fit on securly well they didnt seem to me?
so i left stock in there, they do nothing at all but be cosmetic comapred to the other ones
if anyone wants them they can have them for free + $5.00 postage

motor mounts make everything rattle. the ES mounts are fairly good though compared to my prothane mounts. they rattle a heep.

howd u go installing the top motor mount insert? with my prothane kjit u had to gut the old stock mount as it replaced the entire thing. was this the same as urs?

what one is the top one?
these are insers that surround the open parts in the original mounts there no gutting out

Where did you buy them directly from the manufacturer in US?

I got them from a reseller I found on e-bay and got bulk discount as well

Since you bought in bulk how much can you sell to us?
Ebay US or Australia?

I bought for my self and my brother
I want be buying of them agine coz i have allready got the whole range of there products

did the kit come with trailing arm bushes?

the trailer arm bshes cost $30 extra US not included in the main kit
this is the only bush that has to be gutted out and replaced using the original metal souroundings and shaft

contact of the supplyer are
http://www.energysuspensionparts.com
and there ebay user name is
energysuspensionparts

I am thinking about energy motor mount but am scared my dash would fall out..

ive heard silconing the dash screws in ajakakakak

I was thinking about prothane.. but no more since weq mentioning gutting..

IS nrg motor mounts reversable.. can i take then out?

your dash will more then likely rattle i fixed all my rattles now so its nice practically removed my whoel dash
i dont know about other mounts but these fit in and out when over
you can buy the set and just put one or two in not the whole set it will make it stiffer but may not be as bad and rattle

im actually gonna buy the master bushing set and the motor mount inserts within the next week. i dunno about the whole bushing install, that would take for ever!


been thinking.....i might end up doing a huge writeup on the full install if i end up doing it myself, from those who know will this be a full weeked job? if anyone knows all the tools that would be required to install i would really appreciate it. hey SKREMN did it come with full instructions? if not i wont even try

Dam I should of kept them
each little bag came with a instructional diagram
not so much an instruction of how to but where to

i suppose where to wil do for me....but yeah i dunno, i will have to read up a bit more beforehand because i dunno which ones ill need the high pressure press and where i dont.

u have the engine mount inserts too yeah? how r the vibrations really? if u put a glass of water on the dash how bad does/would it ripple. does it kind of "settle" in and vibration lessen? theres only two components for the 5th gen motor mount insert kit, front and rear, with this said i have a brand new front engine mount sitting on the pool table but i was told i should only put in the rear mount because its more prone to cracking. so i was thinkin i should do both but i dont want to compramise too much of my comfort as my car is a daily driver.

your best of putting one in first and seeing how you go
my mounts have warn in but the whole car is stiff on stiff suspension so driving is smooth but at traffic lights the car doesnt rattle
when i pull seconds the dash jumps

this isnt as harsh
http://importnut.net/motormount.htm

hullo,

just thought I'd add a little detail not mentioned so far...

Energy Suspension Master kit doesn't include rear suspension bushes. Don't think ES make them yet for our cars (EK Civics).

Prothane Master kit does include rear suspension bushes.

There are two types of front lower control arms found on EK civics. Master kits are usually for the cast two piece LCAs.

Prothane rear trailing arm bush includes the metal outer shell (and inner pivot pin) which explains why it mucho $$$. If you've got time and tools go ES, otherwise Prothane.

There's a lot of debate about poly RTA's and suspension bind on honda-tech. A quick description is wheel hop, only side ways. Supposed to be an issue on cars taken to track but not really on street. Seems like some really knowledgable people think OEM or Mugen RTA's are the way to go.

Prothane RTA bush and ES RTA bush are NOT compatible. Must use Prothane pivot pin with Prothane bush. (Not sure who this might apply to, but I'm listing everything...)

I think I'm done now...

Nick.

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Originally Posted by SKREMN

The money could have been spent elsewhere but the way I drive it had to be done.

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LOL i remember you posting about your driving style.
goob job on your upgrade, i always try to recommend this to my friends but they always want to go faster before thinking about their own safety (suspension and brake upgrade = #1 priority)

are the mounts the top ones ?? or the bottom ones ?

great werk and clean bay :thumbsup:

Awsome Stuff!
Exactly wot im looking for!
If ur still reading this SKREMN, did the suspension stiffen up with the Energy Suspension bushings?
Also, were there any other bushings u bought on the side?
my teg i recently bought need them done
cheers mate

so will the ES master kit replace pretty much every bush for the rear? coz i gotta get some changed. Anyone know what the rear upper l/link, upper lateral link and r suspension fr. lat link bush is? are they in the master kit? coz i have searched and can't find any.

I read this last night and if it makes ya car shake quite a bit then that's not gonna be very comfy for a daily...
Is there a combo of these bushes you can do that wont make the car shake rattle and roll? Is it worth it?

- Front Control Arm Bushings
- Rear Control Arm Bushings
- Front Strut Rod Bushings
- Front Shock Mount Bushings
- Rear Shock Mount Bushings
- Front End Links
- Steering Rack Bushings (power steering)
- Tie Rod End Boots (did not use)
- Ball Joint End Boots (did not use)

excuse me ,

does the REAR LCA bushes can use on DC2R LCA as well ?

thanks

the ones that make your car shake the most are the engine mount inserts
just get oem replacements if you don't want it to send vibrations through the car

Oh really,I have the 2 lower ones in and it's perfect but by adding the others it's gonna make it shake a lot though isn't it?

depends how worn your old mounts were i guess
using ES inserts on my torque mounts made it transfer a lot of vibration into the chassis but it's not as bad as some people make it
coins in the ash tray shake and you have the odd vibration here and there but nothing thats going to shake your dash loose
put in a solid rear mount and didn't notice much of a difference in vibration

my gearbox mount is still stock/unfilled though

Thanks Vinny!