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Ok so i think what i posted b4 was a little long to read....
New civic coming here wit a 115KW 2.0l k20 Sport model...and for the base model the VTI and lux spec VTI - L the 1.8L
Jinsay smaily sales managent says that eventulay were are looking at getting a type R or S down under wit simialr power to the tegie type S
prices start from $20,000 for the VTI and $29,000 for the Sport flagship model
That sports model should fare well versus the Mazda 3 SP.
However this might affect the 2.0L Integra Luxury's sales.
who care about tegie lux sales...HONDA I MEAN HONDA actually gave us a civic wit a k20 in it can you believe that imagine the mod coming out for dis thing in like a few months
Definitely, the modding crowd will be quite pleased :)
well the K20's been in a civic for a while.
are they gonna be selling a Vi hatch?
Nah, it won't affect the Integra. 2 door vs 4 door. Enough market differentiation there. I just hope that the Civic Sport has the option of sports fabric and sports leather seats. Just like how the SP23 has an optional leather pack. You know what's the funny thing? Honda did it again. 115kW from a 2.0L compared to SP23's 115kW from 2.3L! LOL, even with the low end i-VTEC on only the intake cam!Quote:
Originally Posted by RyDC5S
thats because there is no other car company that can compare to how honda R & D thier motors to be the best compared to other car........in so many words they do more with less.....s2000 best example and so is the NSX beats ferrari's and its half the engine 206kw compared to 260kw +...................GO Honda!
any pic to look at at?
go to the honda website there is a preview website
lol old news and you post this YESTERDAY.
the new civic will be on display at the melb motorshow which i think is next week or the week after. they will be displaying the new sohc 1.8L i-vtec model and the hybrid too.
nah aus isn't getting the sexy hatch that europe is getting:oQuote:
Originally Posted by thatdbeme
http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0...-21822,00.html
The Civic Sport comes in auto only, with a leather interior. :(
yeah i read that too..auto only, nothing to be excited about...
Honda just has been a soft c0ck in recent years...pissing me off
guys it's got the paddle shifts, so it's not all that bad. the jazz vti-s with the paddle shifts are pretty good, i'm hoping the civic will be the same if not better.
i'll give ya some feedback after the 06 civic drive day i'm goin to next week ;)
Even with paddle shifts, it is still an auto and will have that slight 0.5 second lag between you pressing the paddle and the gear shifting. It's the same as having the sport selectable auto mode. Just that it's in paddle form...Quote:
Originally Posted by panda[CRX]
and how long does it take for the average manual driver on ozhonda to gears? less than 0.5 sec?
i was sceptical of them at first but knowing how many people drive shift gears manually this isn't really much worse
there's 2lt manual too. according to:
http://www.hondacivic.com.au/civic_specifications.aspx
there's fuel consumption for manual.
pity its not a hatch
that car would be hottt with a mugen dominator kit
i see more k20 swaps on the horizon :thumbsup:
Shame. MT would have been great.
the 2.0L model has the K20Z3 engine in it and the type S has K20Z1....apperently the K20Z3 has a betta head design so we could see a type S civic hear wit the potencial to have more power than the tegie type S
no coupe?
no hatch? :(
nah....not yet but according to high management depending on how the new sedan goes we might get the hatch from europe.....and if there is enough interest in the coupe from america then we might get it
its not about how long it takes u to shift only... its the overall feel and control fo the car, the experience and the fact that auto boxes dont put power to the ground as good...
btw i dont htink the article sez there is no manual...just no manual forthe person to test on the day
i really doubt honda would bring a car out with only a slusher box, given how mcuh australians acutlaly like manuals. I mean comeon, they brought out manual for the honda accord ffs, y not for civic of all things
lol not that impressed 2lt honda making 115kw and 2.3 mazda making 115kw.... wait what do the b16a boys get oh yeah 1.6lt with 118kwQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Definitely time for my upgrade, getting very tired with my 05 gli, not so impressed with only 115kw but its definitely better than my current 88kw asthmatic 1.7.
i thought the k20 would've made more power than 115kw?
Civic Sport
5 Speed Manual
$29,990*
5 Speed Auto
$31,990*
Civic VTi features plus...
2.0L 114kW i-VTEC engine
Curtain airbags
16" alloy wheels
Leather trim & sunroof
I just finished reading todays Motoring liftout from "THE WEST" (west australian daily papers). They had two page review of all new civic that's on the way to oz.
They did testing in NZ, but only 1.8l models with man and auto trans.
It was all positive feedback, but the said they would love to get their hands on 2.0l model, because as they said 1.8 was going pretty good.
Models coming are:
1.8l VTi man $20990
1.8l VTi auto $22990
1.8l VTi-L man $22490
1.8l VTi-L auto $26490
2.0l Sport man $29990
2.0l Sport auto $31990
1.3l Hybrid CVT $31990
All model including enteri level 1.8l Vti man ($20990) have ABS with electronic brake force distribution, power steering, air conditioning, central locking, cruise control, tilt and telescopic steering wheel adjustment, power windows and mirrors, two air bags, active front head restrains, fold-down rear seat and speed-sensative audio controls.
VTi-L adds an outside temp gauge, climate controle, split-fold rear seat, side air bags, security alarm, alloy wheels and six-stacer CD.
Sport model comes with six airbags, electric two way sunroof, electric power steering, 16" alloys, driving lights, steering wheel mounted audio controls and exclusive grey or blue leather interior.
Hybrid has same specs as sport just different engine.
I think that for normal every day driving basic model gives a lot for that price tag of $20990, Sport model is good base for a bit of tuning (K20), still better priced than it's rivals with lots of goodies included in $29990.
They recon if UK build hach is ever gonna come it would be priced in mid 30K, so my opinion is if it's not a Type R hach thay shouldn't b even try.
I was just thinking if it would be possible getting a basic model $20990 but with 2.0l engine, like a special order from honda, of course we would pay a bit extra for engine but if we gonna mod the car we don't need 6 airbags, 16"rims, leather interior ect, I would personaly get bucket seats in, new rims and son on, paying almost $10K for something we don't need is big waste.
Maybe few of the boyz that work for honda could tell us if such a order could be made.
http://world.honda.com/CIVIC/thenew2006civic/
this is the s*@t
very very nice!!!
HAAHH yeah but the 2.0L has 188Nm of torque at 4200RPM !!!! stick that in your B16A and smoke it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by c1v1c
and YES first thing I thought was 'more K20' swaps thanks to many more to be sold and rolling on AUS roads in these Civic Sports.
PLUS headswap of the Type S or EURO's to iVTEC on both intake AND exhaust and then there's the K24 Frankenstein option..
but man fo f'sake !! it's a 4-door.. I'm sorry but a 4-door sedan is not sporty unless you are a commodore driver !!
if sales go good for this new 8th Gen in AUS, we'll more than likely get the coupe next year, but the 5-door still being built in Europe is unlikely.
Bring on the K20 coupe or bring on 2008 and a CRX/DC5 replacement !!
will the civic K20 be compatible with integra cams, intakes, headers???
Ahhh, so there is a manual. Damn, I must be dylexic today. :p
yeah....but how much does it wheigh? Less than a tone????Quote:
Originally Posted by VT3C
it will have a 5 stud pattern i'll take it, correct me if i'm wrong...
the 2.0L sports with the k20a does also come in manual.. its cheaper to get it in manual compared to the auto... :D:D:D might be the next one on my hit list haha
ivtec 2.0 SOHC or DOHC?
should be DOHC..Quote:
Originally Posted by s3ph
They are still an UGLY POS that is the bargain option and not a real sports option. 115KW???? You have to be kidding Honda. My 16 year old import Honda Civic puts out more than that and it looks like a car, not a bug with wheels.
Honda Australia - once again screwing over the real Hondas for granny-carts.
Plenty of cars from other manufacturers that leave Honda Australia's "plan" for dead.
Anyone who buys a gimped piece of crap just because it is a Honda deserves to be laughed at.
EK4s and EM1s were the last of the real Honda Civics - anything else is a Euro/Toyota carbon copy.
i disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by VT3C
how the hell can a commodore be a sports car they look like a regurgitated chev thats been spat on by all american car manufacturers!!!!
sedans can look sporty if you do the right aesthetics to them...
http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/21.jpg
now tell me that isnt sporty...
the new civic has a hell of alot of potential for being sporty
and whats funny... when i hear people saying they wouldn't pay mid 40s for an accord euro.. that they would prefer to buy a holden!! LMAO dumbest shit I've ever heard....
too right thats true...i would buy any honda ova any auzzie made crap..doesnt matter how fast they are...there holdens and fords and fall to pieces only after a few months
Exactly... afterall reliability should be everyones concern... You could give me a clubsport, I'd still choose a little civic... I don't care if the clubsport would maul the civic to bits in performance/power... but seriously where can you use all this power besides the track?? The civic would run the clubsport in the ground when it comes to reliability..
Hmm plenty of potential for this car.
I/H/E and ecu tune?
what i wanna know is, what restrictions does the K20 have in the sport civic for the australian market? obviously it doesnt sport the K20A for the civic type R, DC5 R and Euro R as that engine makes over 200hp and has no restrictions. this engine however only produces 154.2hp... wheres the extra 45hp gone???
dude have u even read the reviews about this civic.. this car has already won awards over in the states (car of the year awards) its been given such high reps and ur comparing ur old crx to it :confused: to be honest.. not dissing crx's but they too look like bugs with wheels, its just a civic with the back cut off. dont get me wrong i love crx's but thats the plain truth. and ur sayin ur car puts out more power than it so im guessin u have the b16a which is wat? 3 kw's more power? lol but u forgetting b16's dont have much torque. look at how much torque the civic puts outQuote:
Originally Posted by Setanta
agree ^^^
VTEC's only on the intake cam. Compression ratio is also lower than the DC5R's engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by j-specAccord
what bout p&p? intake manifold? the intake only has vtec, so the exhaust cam is 2 lobes but the intake is three? that would mean the head is built differently and the heads flow is put out dramatically. surely .X of comp ratio and a higher (VTEC) intake cam makes up for 45 lost horse power? not jumping down anyones throat, i juz wanna know WTH honda is doing
Fanboi-itis.Quote:
Originally Posted by dc4t
My car is 15 years old and Honda built it around a B16A. Not conversion, manufactured that way. By the way, an EF9 SiR is a JDM Civic, not a CRX, it'd be nice if you got your facts straight. Torque is one thing but I can guarentee my EF9 will get out of the hole faster than the so-called torquier new Civic. So, a 15 year old Civic puts out more power than the new Civic - that's a step backwards in my books. The EF9 will still out accelerate every Civic that was available in Australia (unmodified for all cars) - that says a lot about Honda Australia's marketing plan.
I do this every time some fanboi trys to tell me how wonderful Honda Australia is, so here we go again:
'72-'79 Civics - Japan gets the RS1200, we get the budget version. RS1200 is faster and better kitted out.
'80-'83 Civics - Japan gets the S varient, quicker and better fitted out, we dont.
'84-'87 - Japan gets the Si powered by a ZC, we get a POS budget varient powered by a 12 valve slowpoke. Japan gets the Si CRX powered by a ZC, we get nothing.
'88-'90 - Japan and Europe and Asia gets the ZC powered Civic and CRX as well as a 160ps SiR CRX and Civic (150bhp in Europe), we get a Si CRX and a goddam twin carb slug. Japan also gets an AWD 4 door Civic (not the shuttle that some people mistake it for.
'91-'93 - Japan gets a 170ps B16A powered Civic - we get chaff by comparison as our top of the line.
'93 - Japan gets a frigging Type R, we get a detuned SiR (160ps instead of 170ps).
Do you see the trend?
The Australian market is second best and even third best as far as Hondas are concerned. For the money you put out other companies create equal cars if not better which are sold for a better price in Australia. Honda quality is equalled by other countries. Buying because it's Honda is a poor reason to do so.
I've looked at the car's stats, it's not impressive. CoTY awards are nothing - Magnas, commodores and Camrys have got the award here, the Yanks are no better.
Don't tell me you'd buy this Civic as a performance platform - because it's crap and nothing like what will be available to other countries and a decided piece of rubbish for the enthusiast compared to the offerings of other companies.
man i hate wat the australia honda market has to offer.. just fact of the matter is that speed aint everything, the car is alot better than urs overall.. but yeh i see wat ur saying, honda is going downhill, i think the only country doing good for honda is america!!
JUST LOVE TO MAKE A POINT!!!... the us civic may have won awards and so it should have its beautifull..... but take note DC4T, we dont get the american civic!!!!
The head is different. Of course the 115kW k20A head is not going to flow as well as the 147kW K20A. Also, the K20A in the DC5R does not have P&P. That was in the DC2R's B18C. Intake manifold should be the one with long runners. And yeah, the intake has 3 lobes + VTEC mechanism, while the exhaust is 2 lobes and normal rocker arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by j-specAccord
In the end, comparing the 115kW and 147kW K20A will be the same as comparing the 118kW and 140kW K24A. It's all in the head, compression ratio, VTEC, cams, intake runners and crankshaft balancing.
Setanta, the real Type Rs are exclusive to Japan. Only the EP3 Civic Type R is sold in UK because it is made in the UK. After 93, Honda was trying to bring in the sporty models, like DC2R and SiR. If Honda Japan doesn't give, they can't get. On the other hand, the killing off of the DC5R and replacing it with the DC5S is Honda Australia's stupid fault. ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by j3z3z
im pretty sure i read that the same civic we get won awards to but meh.. watever.. still an awesome car overall, may not look that good but oh well
that explains alot, where did you get this info from if you dont mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
so basically Honda are doing what they have always done for AUDM.
nothing a head, ECU, piston swap and gearbox mods cant change.
has honda ever taken away the exhaust vtec cam before? the SOHC's dont count
is it worth it to pay $30k for civic sport?
add another $10k you get euro lux
I thought Civic Type R's didn't appear until the EK series?Quote:
'93 - Japan gets a frigging Type R, we get a detuned SiR (160ps instead of 170ps).
The reason why honda australia is not bringing in so many hot models into the country is because of it's demographics. It's all about profits and loss... How many integra type R's have you seen around the streets? The rest of the population would not pay that amount of money to own one! If you read the news in
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...25710A0007246C
you will find that the research results show. They are expecting people who are in the mid 30's with small families to get the car. The average buyer is 49 years old. The population here is small, they don't have a big market to start off with... I guess Honda Australia has done the best they could. At least we still see the teg type R's around and also the euro...
There is info on the 115kW k20A over at asia.vtec.net. The south east asian countries get a K20A sedan (JDM style but made in Thailand). The info on the 147kW K20A not having P&P anymore I can't remember which article it was. It stated that because of improvements in casting tech, there were no more left over bits of metal sticking out from the casting mold and therefore the k20A not needing anymore head polishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by j-specAccord
Info on the runners are from Hondata.com ("Tuning the TSX" article under the news section) where they tried to put the 147kW K20A intake manifold onto the K24A and they explained the differences (which was loss of power everywhere below 5000rpm and a small increase of 3-5hp above)
I think that this new civic sport with 2.0l engine will do wonders with few simple mods like headers, exhaust, air intake and good tuning, remember it's not 1.6 or 1.8, it's 2.0l.
I also think that some bolt on turbo and S/C kits will come very soon from over seas (USA and Japan) so there could be some eazy ways of getting more power, I heard that those engines can heandle boost very eazy.
vote for most irrelevant post everQuote:
Originally Posted by civicCXI
ppl who buy a civic may not want/afford a euro? $10,000 = 30% price over civic...we're not talking mercs or Bmw here where 10,000 is the price of an "option"
Is the 1.8L engine pretty much the same as the 1.7L engine but increased displacement?
I'm suggesting my dad to upgrade to the 06 civic auto from the 05 GLi auto.
I've driven both non-vtec and vtec 1.7L with auto. My dad's GLi feels kinda weak throughout the revs until 3k rpm. My uncle's Vi, feels a bit more responsive down low but still needs to be rev'ved at about 3k to feel something. The engine sound didn't sound very good imo for both engine.
So i'm hoping 1.8L will feel alot better, quieter and more responsive.
Maybe if i tried the manual version it might be a better story but my dad is only after the auto.
The 1.8L and 2.0L are from Thailand.
Is the 1.3L Hybrid from Japan?
Does anyone know whether the vehicles have HID lamps?
my guess would be as an extra?
It's meant to be different. The engine code should be R18 if it is the same one as in the US Civic. The 1.7L engine is a D17 which is more similar to the EK D15 engines that we had before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poeter
And.... the 1.8L has i-VTEC! More torque at low rpm.
these engines in the civics are brand new engines designed by Honda Motor Co. it's a 1.8L i-VTEC and a 2.0L i-VTEC.
Although many people "think" there's alot of potential in modifying this car, the fact is, it's very difficult to extract any power out of these engines. They do no have the "lift" when you hit VTEC. These's car's VTEC point i would assume is at 2,200rpm just like the base integra's 118kw 2.0L i-VTEC engine. It's NOT suppose to be a sports car like the VTi-R, Type R or Type S, it's a "sporty" car for the common people.
The K20Z3 is very limited. Yes it does have the "K" and it does have the 2.0L but that's about it. The intake manifold, ecu, cams, and other internals makes this car "meaningless" to tune. You could do it, but what for? Ever wonder why there's hardly any developement on the K20A3 (until recently) compared to the K20A2?? It's because of those things i just mentioned. I mean the K20A3 from the base Integra has 118kw and 191Nm of torque at 4300rpm, but no one is doing anything about it. It's cheaper now, even cheaper than this new 2.0L Civic Sport and it's 2 doors. Why not just buy a second hand Integra and do all the "possible mods" as you guys so speak of instead of this new Civic? Fact is, it's not worth it.
So in conclusion, unless you're willing to spend another $10k on a $30k car to make it faster, don't bother. It's a comfortable, "sporty", commuting car.
All this VTEC tech and everyone forgets how high revving engines used to make power the traditional way. The base torque of the 188Nm of this Civic's K20A is not yet close to the 100Nm/L mark. There is still much potential to increase the torque and power output through mods with this engine. If you took a 147kW K20A, there is little that you can do because Honda has already used all the lightweight components from the factory. The fun factor of modding your own car is not there anymore.
If someone were to use lightweight pistons, balance and match the pistons to rods and crank position, polish the head and have a better intake, they can get more torque above the starting 188Nm. Then use more aggressive cams to raise the RPM at which peak torque is produced. Since this K20A will be using an electronic throttle, we're still not sure if any aftermarket controllers will be released. So far for Hondas with an electronic throttle, the solution has been to reflash.
In terms of forced induction, the lower compression ratio means you can have more boost pressure. In the end, everything falls back to engine management and whether or not a solution will be produced for the ECU and handle electronic throttle as well.
you missed my point TOTALLY !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by j-specAccord
What I was sayiong was: 4-door sedans ARE NOT sporty... however knobs who drive HSV's etc think their sedans are sporty.. ie. I am saying only morons think sedans are sports cars.
and yes touring cars dont count - but even a V8 Supercar aint 'sporty' IMO.
that's a very bold statement to make VT3C
there are plenty of 4 door sedans i consider more sporty than a 2 door coupe
even some coupes shouldn't even be considered sports cars ie, Hyundai Tiburon
[QUOTE=amato2] the NSX beats ferrari's
idiot :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=TECBOY]hmm...are you sure about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by amato2
hey guys. i got some very very exciting news!!!! i get to test drive the new civics on either monday or tuesday!!!!! i sould be test driving the whole range but will deff let you guys know. i will try to take some pictures if they let me. im sure we will not be dissapointed by the new civic. im only pissed off because it doesnt come in a non luxury 2.0l so weight will be up. wish we were getting a type r version. some words been mentioned of getting a type s or something it seems to me to be pretty much a type s due to the leather and sunroof etc... stupid honda weighing their cars down.
a 4 door BMW M5 is sporty... and a 4 door AMG Merc is sporty... WRXs look sporty to me... as do Lancer Evos.....Quote:
Originally Posted by VT3C
but ur right...this new civic doesnt look sporty
Quote:
Originally Posted by VT3C
that is a very bold statement....a 6.0 V8, big brakes ect not sporty....well wat is it?
V8 supercars motorsport racing....u still think arnt sport cars....hmmm watever.
I suppose u think ur civic is sporty...
not the best of statements imo.
hmmm, wow it looks aights.
2.0L iVTEC engine aye?
well to tell you guys don't bother modifying it that much, you won't get much power from the k20[a,z]3, as you'll sitll be left in the dust by a type-r.
unless you turbocharge or supercharge then u'll get decent performance out of it.
And if you want to get the Sport 2.0L- and want to modify it to go fast, then look at ONLY Manual, there is hardly any aftermarket for the AUTO, THERE IS but not alot, and the gains will be 10-20kw max. You may hope that jackson racing put out a S/c but ive been waiting for 2 years already when they announced it would be out, also you may hope for a hondata for an auto, but i wouldnt bother waiting.
the manuals may benefit from hondata kpro, headers, exhaust.
HOWEVER you won't be able to interchange cams, or whatever from the TypeR DC5.
cause K20[a.z]3 is a complete different engine from k20[a.z]2, except for same engine mounts.
this is just from my experience with a integra base
philz
i don't think u can call any 4 door a sports car.
YES they may LOOK sporty, but they aren't classified as sports cars.
4door cars with fast performance or look 'sporty' are classified as saloons
a sport car is a 2 door car with 2 seats only, so u can't call a gt-r a sports car.
sports cars: ie/ NSX, s2000, mx5, nissan 350z, mazda rx7, porsche boxster etc