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hi guys n girls anyone ever tried this stuff in a type R? is it worth it? the sincro's are starting to go i think? and i was considering giving redline a go!
ive spoken to the boys at redline and they suggest the lightweight shock gear oil. anyone got any bad points
http://www.redlineoil.com.au/product-information.asp
all opinions welcome, thanks
i know a few ppl running this in various cars, 2 of them are type R's
this is well worth the money, not one person has had a problem with this oil in there box at all. prob the best you can get :)
if you do go with this oil let me know a price and where to get it. i just have motul synthetic at the moment couldn't find any redline products.
check out the site and call them, there awesomw blokes, will tell ya a life story if ya want, very helpfull. in vic its distributed by bursons and its worth roughly $30 a qaurt (just under a ltr)
its about 100 bucks a bottle man, i think its a 3 or 4L bottle.
Most good spare parts or motor shops will carrie it
i have it in my dc2r.....best description i can come up with is the feeling of like rowing through honey......its that smooth and sweet :D
thanks guys thats all i needed to know consider it ordered :)
Redline MTL is the best
use it and will recommend it anyday
Use superlight in a dc5r, much better shift than the normal lightweight
Heavy weight!!!!
GREAT FOR LSD's
makes them that much closer to been a locker:)
If your synchro's are starting to go why dont you get your box looked at before its totally ****ed. It may just need bearings and some filing on synchro's rather than new synchro's like if you wait to screw the box. Its just a thought
never used redline but new OEM stuff made my gear box start celebrating
i appreciate your concerns JETYPR, its more of a sometime sincro drama if that makes sense? just a little sticky 75% of the time. most of the time perfect, but just every now and then i feel it not be so smooth. ive read and talked to a few different people about redline gear oil, and all responses come up the same! apparentley its da best. try this stuff if you think you have sincro issue's, it will fix it and its life span is 200k to 400k k's!!! yep thats meant to be 400. so i think its worth a go, atleast b4 i dip into the box, if its an easy $90 fix, ill be pretty happy about that
i pick mine up tomorrow, so over the weekend ill put it in. ill let you all know the verdict
and the verdict is :) big smiles. redline is awesome, i cant believe the improvement. improved shifting (like honey) and so, so smooth. definatley worth the $$$ and definatley worth trying redline b4 ya worry about ya sincro's
How much? and does anyone know how often you should change them? According to the service manual, you are supposed to change the tranny fluid (this is with OEM fluid which is also good IMHO) every 40k (for those who do not track at all).
its gonna cost about $90, and redline thinks its lifespan is 400k k's, yep 400 thou??
I am a bit skeptical about that 400 thousand. But if that's the case, it will work out cheaper than using OEM fluid because you don't have to change as frequent.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneekmeister
honestly ill still change it frequently like every 10k but yeh 400k, thats what it says on the bottle
I was changing OEM oil every 10 000kms and redline still felt better than brand new OEM after 30-40 000kms. Once you use it you will never use anything else....
i have bought the lightweight shockproof gearbox oil many times.
they cost $120 for 3.785 litres
my dads company used to use redline oil for there race bike
and they went through 2 gearboxs because it just breaks down under heavy stress... i duno if anyone has experienced these problems but as soon as they changed to.... i believe it was castrol but i could b wrong they neva had another problem
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Originally Posted by CivicOnBoost
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Originally Posted by locote
What are the differents between these and which one should i use in my dc2r???Quote:
Originally Posted by FANATK
not sure bout 'superlight'
but MTL should definetly be fine, and my shifts were much smoother
can anyone recommand a place to buy redline oil in melb?
hahaha LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by sneekmeister
Dejavu !
This thread has been done many times and i have personal experience with it. Been thru 3 gearboxes and 2 sets of synchros to date and the best advice i will give you is stay AWAY from the Redline oils.
Sure speak to the guys at redline and they will say buy their product but ask them if they'll pay for your rebuild in 4 weeks :wave: ???
I imported some carbon coated gear synchros from the USA [Gearspeed] the last time i had a gearbox rebuild and put standard Honda MTF in and its been an absolute dream.
THANK **** SOMEONE AGREES WIT ME LOL
they r good at the low revs but put em under stress and they just break down
the people at redline oils rekon its sooo good coz thats wot their paid to say
Thanks for that, that's very insightful :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Civic Type R
OEM FTW, even better is that OEM is heaps cheaper :p
looks like everyones had different experiences, well its been 5 days since redline went in my gearbox. keeps getting smoother everyday. my mates had it in his rex for 15k and its still as good as it was in the first week??? i cant dis it!! ill let ya know in 3 weeks if my box is in pieces! lol, i doubt it will be.
Try taking your car to the race track and see how it goes.
i will, considering my mates rex has 190kw at the wheels pulls a 12.6 down the qaurter, id be assuming his box is seeing some high revs. with a couple of gearbox changes and sincro's? maybe its not the oil letting you down? maybe its the guy on the end of the foot that presses the clutch??? or the guy on the end of the hand thats selecting gears??? lol, dunno?
so y did it happen with 2 race bike gear boxes when before they neva changed em once and after neva had to change them again...
and im assuming sneekmeister u take ur car up to the redline everytime u rev?
haha, my cars a street car A-man not a race car! it sees the redline every now and then, but no i wouldnt say everytime? how bout you? you redline everytime?
Have any of you stopped for a second and realised Honda gearboxes are completely DIFFERENT to subarus , Nissans etc...
sneekmeister, keep us posted with how it goes .. in 3 weeks time ;)
yeh im callin a truce, different applications too, street/track/drag etc etc. i dont really want to kill my gbox, im no sadist. but it seems to be doing the job. and it does feel better? so in 3 weeks if im asking where you got those carbon coated gear synchros from the USA, i hope ya can help me out ;)
peace
GET THAT IN WRITING !!Quote:
Originally Posted by sneekmeister
IMO HONDA MTF all the way.
I don't get it? Why do you all want Redline oils and stuff for your stock unmodded cars? Do you not get that Honda, or any manufacture, has their recommended oils/lubes? I can see spending a lot of money if you have a performance motor or tranny but not one with an intake and exhaust or little stuff like that. Redline is going to tell you anything to get you to buy their stuff as long as it won't hurt your car. Why spend 4 times, or more, for an oil change when 5w30 or 10w30 or 5w40 or 10 w40 will be perfect. The redline stuff isn't going to add hp/tq or help keep the motor any cooler that the recommended oils/lubes. You don't start to see gains until you mod the car a lot. You don't need the Water wetter until you start running all water not coolant in the motor. You don't need the oil until you go up past the redline and heat limits of the car and need a more stable oil, same for the tranny. The tranny lubes might help an old worn tranny but that's about it. It even says all this on their site. I have a heavily modded car and I still use what Honda recommends. I wont use Redline until I need to and that's a ways away. I have a separate oil system for the turbo and it uses synthetic oil right off the shelf. It keeps lubed and cool and is doing just fine.
Don’t get me wrong; I’m not knocking Redline. We use them in our formula and drag cars and love them to death but it’s not for the everyday streetcar. You will not see a gain in performance and your wallet will see less cash. If you have a car like mine use it after 10k-20k miles and see if you need it, but a fresh motor doesn’t like synthetic oils and even some cars that are older. I guess get what you want and see what works.
[SIZE=2]On the main page:
“It’s not designed to be the cheapest—it’s built to be the best. Rather than cutting costs by blending into polyalphaolefin base stock for its motor oil, Red Line Oil only uses superior poly ester-based products—resulting in lubricants that are extremely stable at high temperatures while providing superior film strength at lower viscosities where more power can be produced”
Read that last sentence carefully!
5W30:
“Excellent performance in weather where cold starting and short running duration are concerns.”
Don’t think you all are getting in to the negatives today!!
On the 5W40:
“Our 5W40 engine oil provides for quicker lubrication and easier start-up. Reduces turbo lag and provides more power and economy in a properly functioning engine, while providing 25% thicker oil films than a petroleum 5W40 or 10W40. Recommended for many late-model European vehicles and as a factory fill replacement in many newer VW, Porsche, and Mercedes Benz applications.”
See the part about turbo? Yes that’s a mod that will need better oil! Also most late model, meaning high mile, cars have wear on the bearings causing a loss of oil pressure as does any car with higher miles.
Syn. Racing oils:
“For drag racing and circle track qualifying where the lowest internal friction is desired. Many drag racers run this oil for 10 to 12 passes before changing, with no sign of shear or loss of viscosity”
The red bottles for oil are for racing, thus meaning mods are present.
Synthetic Gear Oils:
Proper selection depends upon the manufacturers' requirements and whether the application is for passenger automotive, commercial, or racing use
Read it!
Light Weight Gear Oil:
A friction-modified gear oil designed for use where 75W80 GL-5 gear oil is recommended (may be too slippery for some syncros).
If you have a manual you don’t want this until you get aftermarket syncros.
Limited Slip Friction Modifier:
Compatible with petroluem or synthetic gear oils, this product will significantly reduce the friction break-in of differentials, reducing break-in temps for as much as 50 degrees F. Limited slip or positraction units will often chatter without use of this product or a gear oil with a similar modifier, so add only enough to eliminate the chatter and avoid making the plates or clutches too slippery.
Good to have for the LSD but that’s about it.[SIZE]
See you need to read through the whole site, make some calls, and then decide. As I said above I love redline, don't use it in my street cars, use them for the race cars. They cost more then they are worth for the street car/ daily driver. OEM oils are good enough
mate i put redline MTL in my manual box and felt a difference straight away (much smoother shifts) plus the common fault of notchy 1 to 2 shifts in the dc5's have 99% gone in my car
would use it again on any car
dont waste your $$ on over priced products, always stick to Genuine honda oils and parts. you cant go wrong.
I think this thread needs to be closed!!!
Your wrong there buddy.. OEM honda oil are crap.. the bloody engine oil is not even synthetic!Quote:
Originally Posted by thanh
Redline gear oil is awesome....use it!http://ozhonda.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbs_up.gif
Exactly why do people use to get more added protection? and it does improve shift quality. that alone is worth x amount of dollars cause you know its working and as long as the driver can feel an improvement over standard dealers oils so be it.
"dont knock it till you try it"
Think you have misread my post, read it again carefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by FANATK
his post wasnt directed at you.
Fark maybe I should read properly hahaah:wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by joyride
Readline oil for gearbox is top stuff used in my WRX, and 90% of wrx owners use it as well which is a good indication of how good the stuff is.
my post was for the general haters!
Well Ive tried it and already written what happened to me. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by FANATK
ok its been 3 weeks and all is good, no drama's with redline! ive decided to try a comparison, over the weekend im going to put the OEM back in to see the difference. only reason being to finally rest the debate between the two gear oils.
the redline originally made a big difference to the smooth feel of my shifts, but ill admit 3 weeks later the improvement isnt that noticable anymore, still good, but maybe im used to it now? there were no drama's at high revs, i made a point to push the car hard just to see (my sadist side coming out) and the gearbox isnt lying on the road its still where it should be!
so tomorrow ill change it and in a week or so ill give my comparison, OEM or redline? ill let ya know
stick with OEM everything IMO. If honda designed it for the engines they made then why not ?
doesnt honda get there oil from castrol? anyways it is what they recomend i suppose
I just use Shell Synthetic in my gearbox with a worm gear LSD...
Very happy with it, cheap and easily available if I need replacements.
ok its been more than a couple weeks running OEM manual tranny oil, and what can i say? funnily enough its feeling just as good as the redline did when i first put that in. my slight notch has completely dissapeared, im wondering if maybe fresh fluid made all the difference.
since the redline debate started ill have to admit ive been trying everything, shift points at certain revs, different shift techniques, double clutching etc!!! and honestly the best results ive gotten are just from trying different things in relation to driving the car.
at the end of the day redline in my car wasnt neccesary :( OEM has given the same results (as i said, the fresh stuff seems to be all i needed) gonna change the OEM every 5k with my engine oil and filter, that should keep things smooth :)
so after all that, im a big fan of OEM