OK, time for the next step: Engine Rebuild

Ok, it's time for a rebuild.

I'm looking for forged pistons and rods. The main reason why I am going to rebuild is so I can go forced induction. My car is blowing smoke out the back, and it has done 174,000k.

I took it to panda[CRX] for service, but yeah, I don't want to keep burning oil, bolt a turbo on and then have to rebuild anyway.

SO ~ Forced Induction Rebuild.

I don't want to spend too much money. THis is what I guess I need.
Forged Pistons, Rods. Gaskets, Valve Stem seals, water pump, all belts.

What kind of ballpark figure do you expect for rebuilding a B18C2.

What compression ratio do you suggest for forced induction applications.

Do I need to have the head worked on.

if you're oing to run relatively low boost, ie 12psi max, go with relatively high compression, around the 10.5-1 mark.

If you're going high compression, say 15-20psi, step down compression slightly and select a flat top turbo piston design.

I prefer wiseco, others CP, or whatever, you generally wont go wrong.
Eagle rods are good value.

Head work, would be a nice to have, but not essential.
You'd better go stainless valves for high boost apps.

Goodluck.

OK, how much do you think a set of Wiseco pistons and Eagle rods can be had for?.

At a guess, both with piston pins & rings for around the $850mark.

ok... so what about the con-rods?

And how much do you think labour is in this process. approximately.

I just scored a F20C short block so will be rebuilding with sleeves, low comp pistons, stroked crank and shorter rods. I would appreciate recommendations for local engineers that can do this sort of work.

contact jimmeh from dna racing for all prices.....cheaps as chips man!dnaracing1@hotmail.com

Cheers! Where abouts are they?

Dulwich Hill? That's not to far.

no , he operates from home but very reliable. he is on the forums name : "Jimmeh"
just send hima p.m for prices

Ok, but it's really the engineering that is the issue not the parts. I need someone who can machine the sleeves out and install ductile iron ones.

adrian from toda .... he will do it right the first time , all the time!

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Ok, but it's really the engineering that is the issue not the parts. I need someone who care machine the sleeves out and install ductile iron ones.

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you sound like your want to resleeve. contact me if you want a price. i know who can do the sleeving for you:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Adrian at Toda Racing in Ingleburn is your man for sleeving.

Never had a problem with any of their sleeves or their workmanship.

I'll have a word to Adrian. He has tuned my car before when I had the SC.

Any recommendations for a workshop to do a rebuild in Melbourne?

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Adrian at Toda Racing in Ingleburn is your man for sleeving.

Never had a problem with any of their sleeves or their workmanship.

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Didnt know adrian had a machine shop?

If i was to sleeve, id have to block shipped to/from the US. Sunk sleeves are bad.

he as an Engine room which he does all of his own work in. No outsourcing except for some sleeving i think ..... im starting to talk bout what i dont know so just give him a call or stop past and say g'day.

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I just scored a F20C short block so will be rebuilding with sleeves, low comp pistons, stroked crank and shorter rods. I would appreciate recommendations for local engineers that can do this sort of work.

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Would be nice if you didn't hijack someone elses thread :)

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Originally Posted by wynode

Would be nice if you didn't hijack someone elses thread :)

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heh. I didnt have the balls to say it.

yourfather, I can help you with what you need

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he as an Engine room which he does all of his own work in. No outsourcing except for some sleeving i think ..... im starting to talk bout what i dont know so just give him a call or stop past and say g'day.

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I guess thats a no, to machine shop then? Building an engine isnt about assembling it.

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heh. I didnt have the balls to say it.

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My bad. My intention was if we were going along the same path we could help each other.

I'll start my own thread if I need any more info.

its not that. it's just that everyone seemed to be helping YOU and not me hah.

Felt left out.

Darton have a supplier for Australia and im sure they would have a contact in each state so might be worth throwing them an email or doing a search.

Adrian has done a few sleeved blocks now and the work is gun so if in Sydney id be giving him a buzz seeing he's already strapped together many turbo B series and F sereis engines.

Freight on a block to Sydney wouldnt be that much either and well worth the peice of mind for your sleeving.

My 2c boys, can only speak of blocks ive seen completed, im sure there are other guys around though.

Here you go:

Austrack Motorsports
2 / 109 Airds Rd
Minto NSW 2566
Phone : 61 2 9820 4255
Fax : 61 2 9820 1544
Email : enquiries@austrackmotorsport.com.au

It's in Minto, which is about halfway to Melbourne. :LOL:

I spoke with Phillip at Austrack yesterday. Sleeves are generally about $1100 to supply. Then you need to get them fitted. He strongly suggests you go to one of his experienced machinists and has several recommendations. B18 sleeves are on the shelf. F2xC sleeves are special order and $250 air freight (the beauty of owning an S).

so sleeving gives you a brand new block?

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I spoke with Phillip at Austrack yesterday. Sleeves are generally about $1100 to supply. Then you need to get them fitted. He strongly suggests you go to one of his experienced machinists and has several recommendations. B18 sleeves are on the shelf. F2xC sleeves are special order and $250 air freight (the beauty of owning an S).

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Who are his recommended machine shops?

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so sleeving gives you a brand new block?

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It give you much more than that. It gives you a bulletproof closed deck block capable of supporting 700hp or so.

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Who are his recommended machine shops?

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The one he recommended to me was John Donahue in Annandale. But that was based on location.

He's a good guy. Very happy to help. Give him a call and tell him what you need.

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It give you much more than that. It gives you a bulletproof closed deck block capable of supporting 700hp or so.

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how are you going to get that 700hp to ground on a FWD though???

Just because the block is capable of 700hp doesn't mean you have to run that high.

And I'm RWD.

If you aims are 250-350hp and your cylinders are OK then sleeving is overkill. If a light honing will bring your cylinders back then that is the way to go.

I don't plan to go much past 400hp I know better than to limit myself. So the intention was to pick up a block with scored cylinders that needed sleeving. The dilema is that the block I picked up (for $200) has near perfect cylinders. Do I hone and run 400hp and then face another rebuild when my lust for power increases or do I spend an extra $2K on the engine now and drive around a totally bullet proof block at 400hp?

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If you aims are 250-350hp and your cylinders are OK then sleeving is overkill. If a light honing will bring your cylinders back then that is the way to go.

I don't plan to go much past 400hp I know better than to limit myself. So the intention was to pick up a block with scored cylinders that needed sleeving. The dilema is that the block I picked up (for $200) has near perfect cylinders. Do I hone and run 400hp and then face another rebuild when my lust for power increases or do I spend an extra $2K on the engine now and drive around a totally bullet proof block at 400hp?

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:thumbsup: fair call on that.

yourfather - if u dont wana spend too much money as u said, and ur engine isnt in too bad condition, id suggest just to get the rebuild done wit wat u suggested at the start, dont worry bout sleeving, and then choose the correct pistons whether u wana run high or low boost. dont aim for too much power cos that will cost u too much in the long run if u dont wana be pouring money into it. hav u chosen a turbo yet??

nic

TD-0518G is my choice.

an 18g? there are much better choices out there that would perform a lot better

OK then, feel free to make suggestions.

I'm lookin at people who actually build these cars btw. not net mechanics/tuners, cuz im certainly NOT one of them. and its obvious that I don't know WHAT is that great.

But you gotta remember 3 things
1) i'm not made of money, the girlfriend nags the crap outta me about cash.
2) I don't want to have to spend months and months trying to track one down or wait for it to come from somewhere.
3) it has to be something that has a manifold for the B series that is also easy to track down and is of decent quality.

:D