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ive heard about jaycar amps being good bang for buck amps
but how do they size up against brand named amps?
cause i got 2 type s 12" subs
n i was planning on buying the jaycar 800 watt rms amp for them
so what do u guys think..
go for the brand name Alpine etc.. or go for bang for buck
with more wattage?
P.S any1 who owns a jaycar amp tell us how they preform
If you want your system to sound loud (SPL) then go for these type of amp, if you are in to quality (SQ) better go for a proper amp.
Alpine also have a couple range of amps, the cheaper like VPower stuffs doesnt sound too good either compare to the F#1 or V12. Proper amps does not include those you can find in JB, jaycar, etc :p
Yeah they lack in SQ, but if you are only powering Subs, it doesnt really matter. You mainly want SPL for subs.
Go for an Audison Amp if you can afford it, I'm sure many ppl here agree these amps kick buttocks both in SQ and SPL :)
yer its just for the subs hence the mono block
sound quality will come from my splitz n speakers..
no but sound quality still comes from the subs.
U can tell the diff between a boss sub and a hertz sub or any good sub.
Well jaycar are decent, but nothing good and nothing bad, only thing good is price, but again theres nothing special about it, it gets the job done.
Say a jaycar amp as a good reliable 1.5L car, nothing astonishing in performance but gets u from A to B.
And compare an audison amp as a Honda NSX, gets you to A to B, but also has performance, looks etc
true so u suggest i should but Alpine mono MRD 605?
anything BOSS audio is pretty 2nd rate. You want deent bang for your buck go Pioneer, Alpine or Kenwood. You want something awesome, go the REALLY expensive brands. Im pretty sure many guys could recommend good expensive stuff. As I am a broke ass student, i dont know about the expensive stuff! lol
nah but jaycar is a different level 2 BOSS
boss is really bad man
jaycar has received good reviews in all the magazines ive read so far
im just doing my h/w before i buy u know?
its the choice more power / cheaper / non brand *jaycar*
less power / more expensive / brand name *alpine*
Jaycar seems to be quite promoted in magazines and stuff... but for me, I'm someone who prefers moderate volume with clarity (rather than loud/muddled), and clear/balanced rather than boomy/heavy. All a matter of taste.
well that depends on your sub aswell
u want moderate defined bass buy a small sub 8 or 10 "
want meduim 12"
deep 15"
so i realli need someone to vouch for the jaycar amp or Ney on it
Never heard it so can't vouch/ney it. Maybe you should try listening to it yourself in the Jaycar store since I think this sorta stuff comes down to personal preference as well.
do they have setups n stuff? ive never been there hey
they look realli ugly the amps dont they
lol
if i put the jaycar in im hiding the amp somewhere good
I don't know actually! I assumed that they would... because what kindof car audio shop can they be if they don't let people sample their products? Esp when they are like.. the only distributor right?
... and yeh they look kindof ugly- but then it could be worse.
there not just car audio hey
there like all electronic goods..
its like dick smiths but like more geeker...
They have all of their car audio stuff set up for testing. I have one of their 4 channel amps and 6.5" splits. Just like most of my car audio set up I got them second hand and I am very pleased with how they are going for the amount I paid.
looks like i have 2 make my way down there...
ebay is selling the jaycar monoz like 100 buckz cheaper n thats inc postage...
just letting people know.
Isn't Jaycar like a chain store? I mean.. they're not as common as JB Hifi or Strathfield, but there's still a store not too far from where most ppl live I'd imagine.
Don't forget to check out the Strat/JB offerings before you commit to anything :)
yer but jaycar is only sold at jaycar...
ebay is the way for car audio man
u save an arm n a leg..
I would rather go to Jaycar than go to Jb and Stratty.
Jaycar are very good with their customers, if your amp dies they give u another brand new amp, no need to fix or waste your time etc.
Jaycar is a good company which sells all your electronic needs.
the new 05-06 models are nice looking, nothing flash but are plain and simple.
But EBAY, u have the risk of not getting good warranty, and repairs and service. of course there are some which say you get 1 year warranty, but still u don't have that reassurance...Cause its ebay.
Firstly, it depends on what your budget is, if u have a large budget, get another brand, if u have a budget of 300-400 then get a jaycar amp.
This is for a monoblock, assuming you want a mono for ur subs...
The jaycar amp, is what i said nothing good nothing bad, just do the job with reliability.
Just matters about your budget
Another MAJOR concern with ebay is fake gear, they'll look almost identical to genuine products until you take a closer look (which by the time you can closely inspect it, you would've already spent your $$$).
From what I've read about jaycar amps is that they're great value for money. I actually considered getting a Jaycar monoblock to use temporarily until i could save up enough for a good monoblock (Digital Designs SS1 :p ). Then i really thought about and decided it wasn't worth getting a amp, then selling it off to buy another one since i'd just be losing money. Much better off to purchase the good gear first. That being said if you're not interested in what your amp looks like or chasing extreme performance then a jaycar might be just right for you. I havn't personally heard any Jaycar car audio gear, but from what i've read if you on a budget then Jaycar amps are bang for your buck.
Personally i'd save up more for a better amp because you do get what you pay for. I've got a DD C4 amp and it just pumps, I stood outside my car and turned up the volume (deck has a remote) and it wasn't phased. Sub sounded good and amp didn't clip, it actually sounded really good bar my front speakers (lol). The C4 isn't a monoblock, it's actually a 4 channel amp but what surprised me was how well it performed at loud volumes powering speakers as well as a sub. I'm learning more about car audio, higher end gear and so far I think it's definitely worth it to save up and get the good gear.
I'm also scared of Ebay for various reasons (incl. those outlined above). I wanted to import stuff very cheap from my cousins overseas; but the cost of fixing any problems/issues because it's a foreign distributor/parallel imported makes it a very risky investment. To me, since my car was new and I wanted to have the best warranty service should something go wrong- I minimised number of shops I do business with; in this case, I bought my gear (probably a bit overpriced) from Lifestyle, and they did the install- they offer lifetime warranty and since they also provided the speakers; should anything go wrong, I just bring it back to them. If I had imported the gear, then if something went wrong- they might blame it on the place I got the gear from and then I'd have to prove that the components were good to begin with- something which I think is rather difficult. That's just my overcautious 2 cents.
AND also, some installers won't even touch ebay products, because what if something fcuks up, and then ull blame them for screwing up your amp, but really it was already a dodgy product to begin with .. etc
doesnt jay car haf DIY amps...
wait till the revised DDM1 comes out; DDM1a. 1300wrms of pure blessing. i heard they'll be retailing for $599 as well.
do you have the 06 type-s's? from teh specs they look like 05 type-r's. they'll handle 1300wrms =]
and as for jaycar its not bad at all. it does the job.
Stay away from ebay unless if you know what you're doing. I've heard stories about fakes, people selling short circuited amps. etc. Sometimes paying that little extra for piece of mind is worth doing.
Never used any other brand amps so can't compare. But Ive had no problems with my jaycar amp so far.
yeah jaycar do have DIY amps, i think they have one which produces 115wrms, and thats the most power DIY ive seen.
n back to the original question.
yes the jaycar amp will do the job fine. but do u prefer quality over quantity?? jaycar amp for type s subs for DAILY use rite??
if its for daily use, u only need about 200rms for things to go damn loud. if its for daily use, u wont venture into 800rms watts. the diff btween 800 & 200 rms is a couple db's. hardly - if at all - noticable, especially if its only ur daily driver (lets say u get this jaycar amp, when u turn it on 800rms doesnt magically appear. low volume=low power) sooo i say save up, n go for 1 quality amp instead.
1 question. wat impedence r ur subs?? dvc 4ohm+4ohm/2ohm+2ohm/other??
if ur planning on entering comps, then yes the jaycar is the best BFYB amp. but u wont win any comps with that + 2 type s's anyway.
so i reakon i go for the Alpine MRD 605 then...
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Originally Posted by Int3gra-T
A decent 12" sub can surpass an average 15" sub anyday ;)
Combine an Audison Amp with an Adire Shiva Subby in a decent box, and feel teh earthquake :-D
Reminds me of a video I saw where some guy made a small 6" speaker sound like a mega-bass 12" subwoofer simply by tuning/sizing/designing the sub box properly. Amazing stuff...
Thats alright, but I would prefer to get an Audison LRx 1.400, http://www.audison-america.com/Produ...1400/1400.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Int3gra-T
or bridge this into one channel:
http://www.audison-america.com/Produ...SRX2/srx2.html
if u want. depends on ur budget i guess, n if ur happy with jaycar quality, n if u prefer quality power over raw power, n other...Quote:
Originally Posted by Int3gra-T
Yeh I've read alot abt ppl who turn small subs into things which sound like much bigger subs with proper design/tuning.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
Errr, so you say Alpine amps are pure SQ? I don't think i can agree with you dude. JB sells JL Audio amplifiers, speakers and subs. I can tell you from experience that any of the V series amplifiers from Alpine are not better than the JL Audio Slash series. I'm sure others will agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by tron07
slash series ftw! very awesome sq.
I dont know why people are putting down stores like JB. They might not be specialised as your private audio store but they still stock some decent stuff.
Those slash series amps by JL will absolutely gun any alpine amp has to offer SQ wise. Heck even autobahn is selling decent audio gear these days, ive seen orion amps for sale at autobahn.
And as for audison. they're nice amps but a bit pricy though. I have one myself but i still i think they're too hyped up.
Yeh JB offers some pretty decent stuff but there's alot of premium gear which you won't be able to find there which some people would prefer. I asked the guy if he knew anything about the Punch subwoofers and he said he'd never heard of them- I was gonna ask him his opinion on the Pioneer vs. the RF punch.
Anyway back to what you said though, JB is fine- I'm pretty sure they do decent installs; but in my case, I had a new car which had a lot of electronics and integrated dash; and the last thing I wanted is an inexperienced person working on it. The price difference between JB and professional audio store was actually very little (less than $100) but I ended up with an installation job which I was happy with and confident that they'd do a good job- whereas the JB guy didn't exactly inspire confidence when he said he wasn't sure what would happen.
Hellllooooo....I did not mention all alpine amps are pure SQ, but alpine F#1 amps are pure SQ. JL amps are good, however the ones I seen at JB are old models, maybe they have new stuffs now. I dont have an issue with JL as I am using their products too.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-MuN
Most company got a few range, from cheap to expensive, however some only have expensive and more expensive range. Those are the proper ones, like McIntosh, DLS, ARC Audio, Brax, Tru Technology, Alpine F#1, Audision VRX or Thesis.
Mid range stuffs would be the normal Alpine, Audision LRX, Audio Bahn, RF, etc... Low end, sony, kenwood, mostly stuffs you find at cash & carry like JB, Best buys, etc. Dirt cheap stuffs, taiwan stuffs like Concord, Hunter, Alfine, rockwood, etc.
Catagories are just some example, as most companies usually have a range or products, so try not to flame me.
JB is good? I ask the guy do they carry the 12W7 and he said to me JL does not make 12W7.... only 13W7.
Anyway back to the question, your budget and your equipment matching is important to decide what amp you want. No point of using a low end sub and match it with a US amp, or a W7 with a Jaycar.
LOL, never ask a Jb person an opinion, he'll always push his product rather then the other, ie the pioneer vs RF.
My comparo, i reckon RF bangs on pioneer for subs, but RF is very expensive, and u can better for price.
JB are working on a quota, so all they want is for u to buy there stuff.
lol. Yeah well obviously that particular salesmen doesn't have a clue does he?Quote:
Originally Posted by tron07
You guys seem to be making a generalisation in terms of the salesmen at JB. Yeah, ofcourse they are there to make money for themselves but not ALL of them are out to sell you shit. When you see ppl walking out with a full Pioneer system, it is mainly because the buyer's budget was limited or he wanted a shick system bro.
Yeah sounds about right. Excuse the pun.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-MuN
Ive never bought Pioneer stuff, but it seems that Sony and Pioneer equipment are in the same boat, i.e. both companies manufacturer a huge range of products, therefore dont dedicate themselves to speakers, and as a result lack professional quality.
In other words, dont buy anything Stratfield Car Radios' sell ;)
lol, yes well said. But IMO, Pioneer do produce very good headunits but they do lack in the speaker, subwoofer and amplifier department.
Pioneer have their pro's and con's. But i wouldnt say their gear is crap. Sony is on its own league.
Pioneer have great headunits and pretty decent woofers! i dont own any pioneer products but their entry level gear woofers are bang for buck. The yellow cone splits have awesome midbass. Their Pioneer-TSW-5000SPL tanked up sub as well. They might not be specialised but they do offer gear at a great price point and sometimes value is worth more to the consumer.
I dont know that I agree with that statement made about re:pioneer. I have seen and listened to the top end gear that they produce and am nothing but impressed. While you might pay a slight premium, I think they sound good.
The other point to mention is that without direct comparison, most systems are able to produce a semi-decent sound that the purchaser is happy with. It is only (at least for my own personal listening) a noticable difference when you have two speakers sitting next to each other, configured in the same way, playing through the same source, playing the same material that I can particularly hear the difference (at least with the mid-lower end gear).
I do think that some people get hung up on this brand over that or noticing very slight differences in gear, when at the end of the day if you like how something sounds and your budget allows then just buy what you like.
I agree... unless you compare side by side, alot of the time you will be pretty darn happy with what you get. And I've experienced some pretty nice Pioneer systems so I know they definitely have their merit, but my opinion on JB stands. I know it's unfair to judge and generalise, but the reality is, if two different JB guys after checking out my Civic and said they weren't really sure how things would turn out and would have to disconnect rear speakers for the sub or buy an Audiocontrol unit (some $300+ thing for stock sound systems to work with amplifiers) yet Lifestyle could do it fine without either; I'm inclined to think JB is more suited to doing regular installs in ordinary cars rather than the more modern breed which have alot more components/integrated dashes which pose many more problems for installers.
Yeah good point. I think the problem is that Pioneer offer cheap entry level speakers, which degrade Pioneers overall image. Where-else manufacturers like Boston Accoustics only sell mid->pro stuff, and therefore have a more professional image overall.
The problem with Sony is that their stuff is overpriced, so if you pay for $150 speakers, expect $75 quality.
ps. JaCe thanks for mentioning LifeStyle in my thread. I went there today (Parramata) and they were very helpful, they even unpacked two sets of speakers and pre-fitted them into my car in the carpark. They know their stuff :thumbsup:
True true.
Btw this might be a bit off topic but I was looking through the MB Quart brochure and noticed how low-powered their speakers are- even their premium and Q-line components only do 60-130w and 90-170w respectively; yet they all (even the cheaper models) sound so much better (clearer/cleaner) than the high-powered Japanese ones!
Yeah its strange how Japanese speakers arent so great, where-as German and US speakers are top notch...
Alpine, Eclipse and Clarion are japanese company and they make some pretty good speakers. As for saying speakers are top notch, it's very subjective. In terms of build quality then that is simple enough to judge but when it comes to the sound which is reproduced then its a different story has different people have different preferences.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
Take Boston Acoutics as an example, so many people rave on about the build quality and the fantastic sound. I had a listen for myself and didn't like them, maybe the speakers which costs over 1000 sound fantastic but with what I listened to on my budget (300-600) and I didn't see why people say they're so good. Same deal with Rockford Fosgate splits, I auditioned a set which costs around $550 (sale price) and found they weren't to my taste.
On the other hand when i listened to a set of Focals 165V2 (around 400) and MB Quart Reference series and I liked the sounds that were being reproduced. Power ratings are not the be all and end all when it comes to car audio, and as for saying jap products aren't so great and American and German gear is top notch is somewhat subjective.
Very well said Fr3aki3. That pretty much sums it all up.
nice freaki3. finally sum1 who knows wat theyre on about :thumbsup: sounds like stuff straight outta CAA hehe mayb leave the good advice there, it aint worth it here :p
jace, no offence but lately uve been givin crap advice & really u dunno half of wat ur talkin bout. nearly everything uve said lately has made me go 'duh, err ok, wats ur point??' etc etc. theres so many things i could comment n correct u on, in lots of threads..but i cbfd
i know u just got ur system, so ur just genuinly interestd in car audio.. but nothings worse then a noob with half a idea helpin others noobs with no idea :rolleyes:
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sorry for this rant. just havin a bad day
I agree. For this very reason I dont get into any of the threads that ask should I get XX brand over YY. It is compeletly subjective and other than physical build quality (ie will the speakers fall apart after one year of normal use?) all of the remaining points can be oppenly debated as it all depends on your individual taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr3aKi3
That being said, I have listened to one system that included pioneer, jl and audiobahn (all of which people badmouthed) and thought it sounded really good for its price and application.
Sorry... I know I'm a noob to this car audio stuff but everything I say is based on my own impression/experience- if I make mistakes (which I'm sure I do), please do correct me/inform me otherwise I'll never know!
But I did spend A LOT of time (since I have limited budget) evaluating and testing all the different speakers which I was interested in and did as much reading up on them online as I could. Whilst I know this isn't really a match for real experience with the nitty gritty stuff, it does give me 'half an idea' as you put it :)
Forgot to add... aren't Pioneer subwoofers supposed to be quite good? One of my cousins uses their subs in his BMW and they were really really powerful- although not really to my liking (it was way too heavy/strong; and didn't really improve the music IMO).
:rolleyes: exactly wat im talkin about. i could comment on other quotes from u, but like i said...i cbfd. i just comment on ^^
yes, pioneer r decent. theyve got sum great BFYB subs. corect me if im wrong, but i think the world SPL record was held by a pioneer sub. mayb its old news, mayb its been broken, doesnt matter
ur cuzin. maybe he likes the overpowering bass. maybe its been tweaked & tuned to his liking. sum ppl like more emphasis on sub/mid-bass, sum dont. has he got splits? installed well? (solidly mounted, doors sealed, SD'ing, imaging/staging to his liking, etc etc). aslong as he likes how it sounds, doesnt really matter if U dont
like i said, dont get the point of sum of ur posts
ok time to b nice. sweet, uve been researchin. when getting into anything new (hobby/car aduio/fetish/wateva) of course learn ur stuff. but my point was: when giving genuine advice, if ur not sure wat ur on about, maybe its better off NOT to say anything :)
thumbs up tho. i know ur only trying to help, nothing wrong with that :)
True true.. he liked his bass very heavy and made sure everyone could hear it~ but just making a comparison to his other BMW which has a stock HK system and that sounds so much nicer in my opinion. As for the rest of his sound system specs, don't really know- I know he was using MB Quart speakers and an RF amp with a Pioneer sub in the 328.
Anyway, I'll keep what u said in mind- cheers.
nah dude. keep helpin others. its ozhonda, we should all get along n help each other hehehe. dw bout wat ive said, just havin a rough couple of days
Yes, the pioneer sub has held the world record, but it was its big brother ***SPL series, not the 306c series.
Also Jaycar has held the Australian record, for a lil bit lol, with those double magnet ones.
Pioneer 306c- good for bass, hits hard, and can handle a fair bit of power.
Also again, its a sedan and the boot is sealed off, so it won't be that loud compared to a hatch.
How much power was he putting through the pioneer sub?
Even though they have fairly high effieciency, i believe they need 400+ to really move hard.
Also is the box ported? If not, pioneer 306c in sealed, sound super crap.
Pioneers need at least a 56L ported at 30hz, and will go loud, even though the factory states otherwise.
The Jaycar amps are really good and cheap..
Im using two aa0429 1500wrsm with two dd 2512 and it made 149.73 in the last sound off.
Jaycar amps produce some serious power at a really cheap price.
Sambo, how do you find the sound quality with the Jaycars?
SAMBO, great numbers mate!
Did u strap those amps? how much power is each sub receiving
hmmm i was looking at getting some DD2512s as well, but just one and one 800wrms jaycar amp.
How big is the enclosure? ported i assume as well?
The sound quality is actually very good but the monoblocks make for a better spl amp.
I used to have the aa0428 800wrms with one dd2512 and it went hard in a slot ported box. Then i update the ampto the 1500wrms and then update to the 2x 1500wrms and 2x dd2512s.
My girlfriend is using my old 800wrms with a 10" type x alpine sub and it goes very hard.
Sorry i messed up my spl numbers i made 147.73 db not 149.73 typeo...
Cool, still high numbers.
Did u test the 800wmrs with 1xdd2512? got numbers?
Also what car are u using, i assume the civic?
I didnt get to test the 800wrms with the one dd2512 due to craving for more power. I had the 800wrms amp for around a week before i updated to the 1500wrms lol...
Its jut like modifying a car once the bug bites its hard to stop.
Sony used to make top notch equipment like 7 years back, before they started the xplode stuffs... The C90 HU is still one of the best HU in the market with its processors, and the amps are very good.
Pionneer, only thing is good is the P9 or P90 HU. The other range of hu like the 9 or 8 series are good too, but then I prefer Alpine over them. Amps and speakers are so so only.
Well, when you say you heard good sound from Pioneer, JL or whatever brand in the market, remember this rule, 80% comes from the installation and 20% from the equipment. Some even say 90% installation & 10% equipment.
I used to have a basic setup of Sony cassette HU + Audio Control Overdrive, Orion Xover, RF amps and Audio Boss speakers..... its a lot nicer then lots of system double or tripple the price, but now all those also upgraded already.
Acctually I dont bother with SPL records, the more money you have, the higher the SPL you can get. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by integraz
But then it doesnt have to sound good, only loud. :thumbdwn:
hehe i knew that! i never mentioned anything about a 306c being the pioneer sub that held that spl record u fool :pQuote:
Originally Posted by integraz
serz? soon we'll b seeing ppl win SQ & SPL comps with boss, rockwood, jensen & that kinda gear :pQuote:
Also Jaycar has held the Australian record, for a lil bit lol, with those double magnet ones.
yup, its a pretty BFYB sub that can play fairly low subbass loudly compared to other entry level subs. by reports, it sounds like pioneer underated the 306c's rms (400). many people feed their 306c more than the rated power (tho im not sure how much is too much power for the 306c) and they say it still runs fine after a long period of time.Quote:
Pioneer 306c- good for bass, hits hard, and can handle a fair bit of power.
i hear alot of "the 306c goes lower & louder in a ported box". i can vouch for that, its true.Quote:
Also is the box ported? If not, pioneer 306c in sealed, sound super crap.
dunno bout it sounding "super crap" in a sealed box tho - given a decent box, itll sound decent enuff to the average ear. tho i guess it depends on ppls tastes & how picky their 'golden ears' are to judge how the 306c sounds..
306c can really punch
giv it some more juice it will be fine..
good value for money as arveson sed, it sure is. i went cheap on the sub ehe ;)