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Hi, just wondering has anyone done this conversion or knows someone that has? I have been researching this for a bit and found out that you have to sacrifice your air con and power steering for the engine to fit. Does anyone know how it will handle without PS? But from what I hear is the civic shoud really pull hard :D and have heaps of power. 8)
welcome dude!!
you will need customs mounts and yes ur PS and possibly AC will be sacrifice, but you'll have an awesome power/weight ratio civic!
not sure where u live, but if in sydney, go to www.onlineperformance.com.au the owners of Australia's fastest FWD! They luv anything H22A, and have done many H22A conversions and i believe there may be pics/info on their site! Give them a buzz...
Cheers...
Handling? You want handling out of that much weight up front? :lol:
Straight line is awesome - dunno about the corners :P
Yeahh, the H22 non-all alloy block upsets the weight districution of a civic as it sits quite forward.......expect the tail to get a bit happy around corners ;)
Nonetheless she'll be DAMN QUIK!
By the way I live in Brissy. NOt to sure about any performance HOnda places here. SO no one here has been in a h22a civic yet? I am just wondering if it is worth it. :?
hey buddy, I've sat in a few h22a civics man. The swap can retain Power steering if it is done right, and air cond can be kept if u change the radiator peice and the ac peice to small custom made units.
To give you an idea of how fast a h22a civic is, if u were to race a type R integra, u would leave it behind by about 3 bus lengths. As for cornering, the manfiold collector position sits lower in the civic than in the lude, so if u lowre ur car it becomes an issue that the pipes get bent. But if u do ur homework correctly, and get good suspension setup, it will handle just fine, in fact the only problem that we had when we were going hard around corners was the fact that the EK4 in front of us was running too slow ;) granted that it was only mildly modded, that gives u the idea of the awesome performance that a h22a civic has. The only drawback is that h22a parts are always more costly, and thus if u want a fast street car with the luxuries and u dont mind a lack of tourque, then go the b18c or b16a, much better cost wise.
i'd curious to how a H22A EG can beat typers by 3 bus lengths. an EG civic with a stock H22A engine should run neck and neck if not a half to a full length over the typer!Quote:
Originally Posted by pornstar
from my knowledge, stock h22a EG civic have run low 14's....with a CAI and exhaust system, it will get into the 13s. a stock typer will run mid to low 14s (DC2R), modded may break 13s as well. if anything, if quite an equal comparison.......
My friend's dc2 typeR with headers, exhaust and cai can only do a best of 14.79 at heathcote. I don't think a stock typeR can do mid 14's. Maybe, my friend is a crap driver, hehe!!!
i also dunt fink a stock dc2r can do mid to low 14s
ive seen a dc2r do 14.6 but he wasnt stock
A stock DC2R will do at best, a high 14s pass. A stock DC5R will do low 15s. That's real life times, not dropping tyre pressures etc.
My mate Jake has a B18c5 in his lil eg hatchy.
works and absolute treat and here are the list of mods he uses.
(yes he is in cali - but the car is the same as ours)
2001 USDM Integra Type R b18c5 engine
Integra Type R AEM Cold Air Intake
Spoon Sports Adjustable Cam Gears
Spoon Sports 2Ply Head Gasket
Portflow Titanium Retainers
Civic Type R Intake Cam
DC 4-1 race headers
Integra Type R catalytic converter
ReChipped P28 ECU
13.206 @ 104.8mph 1/4 mile :wink:
view video here
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HondaA...ic/CMI%202.mov
I find all these figures weird as the B16A powered EF hybrid hatches in the US will run 15.5 and better. Usually they are 200kilos or so down on a DC2 but they are also 40bhp and don't run a LSD. The EF9 SiR (track version that ran a LSD and power-nothing) weighed in at 900 kilos with a factory 160bhp B16A and pulls 15.3 according to Honda. A DC2 will be a lot faster than that.
my cousin ran a 14.4 pass in his DC2R with a AEM CAI, spoon headers, and 2.5" exhaust, and azenis at willowbank.....admittedly, it's thebest time his ever run at the track ever......
See thats the thing one more chance. Your cousins Type R DC2 is modified, the absolute best time i ever ran at calder with my stock dc2 was a 14.83, and this was lettting abit of ir pressure down. Most street dc2's that are stock will run 15s flat or very close to that. U will be surprised but Jacob Chang's dc2 ran a 13.5 with only bolt ons and sitcky street tyres (im not sure if they were also azenis), so just in comparison, slight mods to the Type R make them quite fast!
As for times, My friends Civic never went on the tracks (for fear of persecution), but whenever we did street high powered runs (on a private farm of course!) the h22a powered civic would win by alot, might not have been exactly 3 bus lengths but that was what it looked like.
These situations were real life ones down here in Melbourne. I have owned a 12sec integra before (i wont post the details, but some people have seen the car before), and this civic was almost as quick as that, but yes it does have headers and exhaust, funny enough he doesnt have a CAI, he thinks they dont do anything for the car...but thats a comlpetely different story!
So in summary man, I would do the conversion if ur patient and take the time to build it right, get a good mechanic to help you out with the conversion. If I were after a fast street car with more potential to modify later on however, without the use of N20, i would go a b18c or b16a tho.
Pornstar you got PM :wink:
man why dunt we all bring out cars and test them out ..on a 1/4
then well see whos bsing and not..
pornstarQuote:
Originally Posted by pornstar
you have said somethings which i would like to be cleared up. i don't doubt u, i'd just like some things cleared up. u mentioned that you owned a 12 sec interga. i imagine this is a FI car of somesort, if it's a NA car, you're up there with the ALLMTR civic as a top 2 FWD NA car in OZ! a close friend of mine, Le Hua who owns the famous twin turbo H22A civic...has has gone through 3 engines to get the car in the state he has. he ran the car at last years jamboree with slicks, stripped and the best time he got was 12.8. and this is a twin turbo H22A civic that has no expenses spared.
also, beating a car by the vercinity of 3 bus lengths means you you beating a car by a good 2-3secs. that one thrashing in anybody's eyes.
a stock ITR runs high 14s from the factory. stripping it with sticky tyres with the right track temp will see you run mid 14s. as for my cousins' time, it's actually a slack time considering the amount of mods he has done. he was hoping to crack a lower time.
if you have time, do post some pics and list of mods that the h22a civic has done. also, some more info on your 12sec integra would be great too.
must be a beast of a thing!
cheers...
yeah ur right, im not talking all motor for the integra :) but i dont want to discuss the mods that i did, suffice to know that it was built and it was running n2o.
I admit that I dont know all that much about the scene, i only began serious modifications in the last 2 years, and only been on the drag strip in the last year! I dont know the famous twin turbo h22a civic, but I know enough to say that he has gone a very expensive way to get poewr, since h22as are 4 cylinders and thus u would be using 2 cylinders per turbo, id imagine those turbos would be quite small...
I've seen a stock JDM ITR run 14.7 and that was the absolute best that I have ever seen. The driver of the R that we muck around with is no where near that class of driver, and in street trim, having car stereo, full pressure street tyres and not slicks on the right pressure makes for a slower R. I dont doubt that ITR's are a 14s car, but about 95% of the ITRS that i have seen have run flat 15s or very close to that.
Again depending on driver and track times ITR times can vary, but from experience they are a 15sec car. For his mods, and being stripped (which i didnt know before) i agree that the time is kinda slow, but its still a quick car!
The h22a civic was sold about half a year ago abit longer, he never told us all the mods to it BUT from what he did tell us, JUN aprts were used externsively. Im not saying the h22a civic was a 12 second car, not at all, im jsut saying it was fast to be close to my 12sec car (on the street).
I guess im confusing, but ill try my best to clear it up. My car did a 12.85, but that was stripped down (not interior) just subs amps boxes etc, spare wheel, running full slicks! When I ran it in street trim I managed a 13.87, with azenis and full stereo gear. The civic on the street would keep up with me. The ITR that i said this civic beat was basically stock, so u cna imagine the gap... As for 3 bus lengths, I msut need glasses, but It was far, maybe i over exagerated the length, but u get the pic that the ITR was quite far behind :) hope that helps.
For privacy reasons for the new owner of the civic, I cant post info on the setup, the new owner lives in perth, but does not race it on the drag strip, he has done track timse i believe tho i cant confirm it. did i clarfiy? or did i just make ir more confusing?
pornstar:
Jacob actually recorded the 13.5 on a gtech meter...
Jnr Teggy, Are you sure about that? I as told by Dean and Jacob that the test was done on a proper qtr mile... i wasnt there so i cant say for sure.
pornstar
its all gravy champ! yeh the H22A twin turbo, Le will admit that the turbos he is running is much too big for the engine (he is running 2 TDO4s from WRX). I'm sure with smaller turbos or one big single, you should be able to run much quicker times. from the factory, its states that the DC2R ITR runs 15.1 on quarter miles. but many automotive magazine reviews have shown high 14s for the quarter in dead stock form.
many drivers don't know how s launch a FWD properly, therefore when they take their cars on the strip, they don't get the time they say be.
but thanx for clearing that up champ.... 8) :)
no probs bud. As for the FWD lanuch, I agree 100% man, thats why i said that its capable of 14s, as i've seen one or two do it, but the majority of drivers dont know how. You will know that u hvae to rev to 5,500rpms (jsut above) so that vtec is engaged and feather the clutch, making full use of the LSD... :)
Damn man, 2 tdo4s? gee, those things wouldnt spool til about 4k rpms from rough intuition man. Do you know what psi of boost he is running? Is he on any websites? Id love to see some more about the car!
Anyways, about the h22a in a civic, Ill summarise my experiences. It works and can be reliable, costs alot more in labour as the work to do the conversion is labour intensive (though the motor and hardware is cheaper), is abit heavier than the b18c, makes a gob load more tourque, but lacks the aftermarket support of the b series. If i had a choice from what I have seen, b18c in a civic makes for a damn quick street car, and the added power that u gain from a h22a can be compensated by using after market parts that are cheaper for b series than h series.
Remember last week when i posted some specs and times of my mate Jake with the EG hatch and USDM B18C5 Type R engine transplant.
I just thought i should post some good news for those fans of NA Type R conversion power. He sent me this email a few mins ago :) ...
<<The track gods have giving me what I wanted (enough suspence?, lol). Yes, I have finally broken the 12 second barrier. Ok, to the numbers, the first being early in the day and the later, well later in the day. All these times were from the CMI races today......
2:29PM (12.851@106.108) 0-60ft- 1.854
3:17PM (12.798@103.275) 0-60ft- 1.829
4:52PM (13.155@102.714) 0-60ft- 1.843 (missed 4th gear)
6:02PM (12.774@105.287) 0-60ft- 1.853
6:23PM (12.836@103.671) 0-60ft- 1.835
6:41PM (12.752@104.918) 0-60ft- 1.848
And yes, ALL MOTOR BABY! I might just work for 11's after all (ya, some have told me this would happen, lol).
>>
and yes this is a daily driver with interior still intact !
^^^^^^^^^WTF! fast times
^^^^ WTF OLD Thread!!!!!!!!