hi guys.i just had the hid kit installed last wk...and find that its not as bright as the original globes.....
i am seriously thinking of going back and just putting super white globes....
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hi guys.i just had the hid kit installed last wk...and find that its not as bright as the original globes.....
i am seriously thinking of going back and just putting super white globes....
really?
most if not all people say they are brighter, which they should be.
what colour rating did you get?
and i'm guessin in a euro?
ain't u going to change them back anyway? after suggestions from saxman?
i'd say they gave u a very high K HID.. which looks good but the output will be decreased by the increase of the K rate... r u sure they r 4300k?
thats what the supplier said. Ive already spent the money if i can use it, most likely i will. Could it be that the mechanic who installed them, did something wrong? with normal lights you can clearly see the road in front of you, with this kit i cant see any evidence of the white light on the road.
......i know it looks all that bright in the pic...but trust me...if i thought they wer as bright or brighter than the original lights - i wouldnt be complaining.
is your headlight adjusted? the headlight angel is quite high for halgens so adjust it point downwards abit.
White light is visible only in the dark.
if you have 6000k+ the visible light will be less.
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Originally Posted by rhath127
Bro, I think I know what you're talking about...
If you don't mind me asking, did you buy the proper HID kit that cost something like $600+ ? There are different types, a friend of mine bought a less expensive kit for around $350 or somerhing laterly and his lights are actually must less bright than my 6000k blue globes... I personally like globes better for the fact that they're firstly cheaper and secondly still maintain the "glow" look in your headlights whereas the HID's tend to be this very concentrated "glare" - some like it, but I personally do not...so yeah, you just really gotta check out what you're installing.
Good luck dude!
SKY
the problem is that despite what the seller told you, you do not have a 4300k hid kit. What you have is much higher k, and do have less lumens output.
You know everything else I'm going to say
other potential issue is that drop in hid kits very often have an incorrect focal length for the housing they're going into(you're putting hids into a housing designed for a halogen bulb... THEY ARE NOT THE SAME). Often times, this causes light to not be aimed correctly, resulting in much less usable light output, even if the lumen output of the bulb is the same.
Park in front of a wall, pointing at it, and take a photo showing the light output of the headlights on the wall... will give a good idea if the focal length is horribly off or not.
amen to that saxman.
ok, ive decided to sell of this hid kit and replace it with s/white globes (for the hid look). which s/white globes would achieve this? thanks u guys
if you think the light output is bad with a high k hid bulb, you're going to be horribly disappointed with a high k halogen bulb
hang on selling your hid kit. Last time I did an install on a mazda 3 and it was horrible. All turned out to be that I misaligned the bulb in the housing and it had a catastrophic effect. The light was dispersed and dimmer than the stock halogen. After fixing the position and checking everything, everything went perfectly. So make sure the mechanic didnt make this kind of mistake
i know that a high K doesn't mean more light output, just a diff wavelength/colour...
but even so i thought you would still get a brighter/more light output with HIDs than u would with halogens....
i just got myself a 8000K kit...waiting for delivery...
okie will check it later on.
If you choose to keep the HID's, at least get some decent Philips HID bulbs under 5000k. The bulbs u have are probably cheap ones not made in germany. Osram and Philips are the top of the range since they share patents.
will any H1 globe work with the HID kit or are there special HID globes?
can someone point me to the right direction to purchase HID GLOBE s/white globe
http://search.ebay.com/search/search...trypage=search
Or have a look at some auto shops like AutoOne, Supercheap etc..
And give this a read - some good info: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...&highlight=hid
absolutely completely different. No similarities at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhath127
the higher the kelvin rating, the lower the light output. With a 4300k, you'll absolutely get more light than with halogens... with 8k bulbs, the output is about the same lumens wise, but the color is completely worthless for night vision. Very very very poor output. It'll appear sorta bright just because the blue will offer some weird contrast, but you'll be very limited by what you can see at night. If you compared an identical set up using a 4300k bulb, you'd be absolutely amazed at the difference in light output.Quote:
Originally Posted by corn_flakes
i took a pic from the view of the headlights...
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...4092006067.jpg
thats the right side.....
the left side is interesting.....
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...4092006069.jpg
-- theres a shadow of a line .....which i cant figure out....
would it be recommended to bring it to honda and get them to fix everything the way it shud
holy crap, that's hideous
don't bother with honda, they'll just laugh at you about it anyway.
First thing you should do is remove the bulb, and then reinsert it. Certainly looks to not be seated correctly.
The shadow is likely from the return wire of the bulb... the bulb is probably upside down. The wire on the bulb must face down.
If pulling the bulbs out and reinserting doesn't work, then you, like a lot of other people, have an extremeley shitty hid kit. Not only does it work very very poorly like all of 'em, it's so shitty that it doesn't even fit in the light correctly. Certainly wouldn't be the first person to have such a thing happen.
currently im using phillip "blue vision" 4000k, it wouldnt be as bright as those HID kit, i heard phillip"crystal vision" is does make some different, is any one try before?
buying colored halogen bulbs only results in a major loss of light output. They achieve they're higher k output by adding a filter to the bulb, that changes the color by eliminating the light on the yellow side of the spectrum. Pretty much the best halogen bulbs on the market are the osram silverstars that DO NOT have the filter on them(unlike the Sylvania Silverstars that do have the filter).
If when you look at the bulb, it has a blue coating, throw it away.
would u recommend me changing hid kits? if this turns out to be a crappy hid kit ?
also i tried to change back to the original globes - i couldnt figure out how to put back the original globe. as there are 2 wires ...but only need one to plug to the globe
I'd recommend you retrofit the headlights with projectors designed for hid use. Anything you put in there with the lights as is is going to be crap... some just way worse than others.
With a projector retrofit, you'll get oem quality optics(if not better, depending on the projector you chose).
There is a HUGE difference in performance between the euro lux lights and the normal euro lights with an hid kit. Don't think by dropping in hids you're getting anything even remotely similar.
most likely one wire grounds to the projector itself, and one goes to the headlight bulb. Look for somewhere near where the bulbs go in that would work to connect the wire to.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhath127
i have the box here...it says 4300K H3 conversion kit.....did the supplier con me? is there a difference between h1 and h3?
err....
euros use H1...!
yeh the blue visions are pretty much the closest thing to HID, along with another brand that makes a bulb similar. I was gonna get the crystal visions but the dude at the shop (who himself has used many different bulbs and leds etc) said the crystal visions are illegal :o he said they were too bright for halogens or something, not sure if thats true or not tho.. but he seemed to know what he was on about.Quote:
Originally Posted by btchia
Blue visions are around $60, the crystals are $100 rrp.
looks like he gave you the wrong bulb size mate, no wonder it is not seated properly and the light is not dispersing correctly.
lol dont tell me you intalled H3 bulbs, thats probably why the output looks warped :zip: exchange them for H1's, or revert back to halogens with some decent philips bulbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhath127
what if i sell this.....and buy another hid kit?
go for it...
gonna be hard to find a buyer for H3 bulbs though...i'd go complain and get it exchanged from whom u bought it from...
problem is i bought it from asia........so no go on returning it...
scr3w it....ill sell it on ebay....and buy a new one.....can u recommend 1 on ebay that will be nice and satisfactory.....
is this nice?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....MakeTrack=true
I do notice you have a nice cut off for the standard halogen projectors, even the H3 bulbs are causing all those shadow effects. Very Sharp. :thumbsup:
i got the one from the first link...
waiting for delivery...
i got the H1 8000K...hope it's bright enough...should have got the 6000k
coolies corn flake - seeing that i have the hid kit already cant i get the hid bulbs instead of a whole new kit? will that work?
yeh i think that should work...
not 100% sure though...
I give up
lol u give up.......
i just removed the hid kit and went back to me original globes...phuck it for now...ill think about it next time
whoever is installing that HID they should know your car is H1 and the HID is H3 so they shouldn't install it from the beginning :eek: coz it wont seat properly .............
h3 fits into the accord euro fog lights no?, might as well put it there for 6000 lumens of hid goodness.
the foggies are H11 i believe../Quote:
Originally Posted by bungsai
Got any pics to show the huge difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by saxman
if by 6000, you mean more like 2500Quote:
Originally Posted by bungsai
Are you sure? my halogens have a very similar cut-off to HID's. Maybe the TSX ones are a bit different?Quote:
Originally Posted by saxman
There is a HUGE difference in performance between the euro lux lights and the normal euro lights with an hid kit. Don't think by dropping in hids you're getting anything even remotely similar.
it's not just the cutoffQuote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
halogen projectors are designed for the light output of a halogen bulb. They focus the light accordingly. This is something I can't emphasize enough.
You may still get a plenty sharp cut off, but halogen projectors aren't designed to output as wide of a beam as hids are. There are a handful of projectors out there can serve double duty, but they produce very poor usable output when used as an hid projector.
Then maybe the Euro lux's should use the normal halogen projectors, that way I wont get blinded everytime I see a euro lux lol :p
that's more likely an aiming issue than anything
cmon, there is a good 2-3000 lumens available per pair. Theoretically combine output may equal 6000 lumens. 3200 +/-250 lumens is what a single phillips 4100k kit is rated at.Quote:
Originally Posted by saxman
X 2 = 6400 lumens...theoretically..
now to cover my ass, i am by no means stating that his cheap chinese knock off will output anything near what a good ol phillips kit can. Without being too anal retentive and going into the specifics of the light dispersal properties of the relevant housings, lets just say it will be bright ok?:thumbsup:
hey, can i just ask where you mounted your ballasts??
and did u use the stock clip or did u hook it up direct to the battery?
questions also go out to other euro owners with HIDs...:D
he's showing pictures of a much higher k kit. I realize the seller told him it was a 4300k kit, but they also said it would fit his car and gave him an H3 kit, so enough said. Those bulbs don't put out anywhere near that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bungsai
corn_flakes... a relay switched wiring harness should always be used when adding hids.
Lux projector is = base model projector
no they're not...Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeG
they may be similar, but they're not the same.
some people don't listen aye?Quote:
Originally Posted by saxman
lol.
btw saxman, hopefully i shall talk to you tonight on MSN, i've got a few q's to ask.
=)
sounds good... I'm probably going to be getting to bed early(for me at least) tonight, so you may want to start the convo via pm
i just installed my 8000K HID kit today...
it's a pain trying to find a place to mount the ballasts in the euro!
but i'm quite happy with them atm...quite bright!!
only questions i'm having atm...do most HID kits buzz whilst warming up? i hear an audible buzz when it's warming up, then it settles down to a very quiet buzz...
and what can anyone tell me about having HIDs on for very short periods of time?
(i just found out that when all your lights are off, and you flick the high beam, the low beams also go on.....so i'm a bit afraid with the HID kit in now)
You got any pics of your cutoff? And did the H1 HID Bulb fit into the stock hole? As some of the members have had issues with the H1 HID Bulb being larger than the stock Halogen H1 Hole for the headlight.
what's this so called cutoff that everyone talks about????? explain please...lol
and yeh it fit fine...except the way that the bulb fit means that the dark wire thing on the bulb sits on top, so u see 2 slightly dark lines...
here's a vid. that shows the HID kit warming up, the dark lines i was talking about, and if u crank up ur volume the buzzing sound when the kit warms up....
about 7-8mb...
http://members.optusnet.com.au/random804/MVI_4813.avi
Cutoff is the top line where you can see that there is significantly less light. Even the stock halogens have a cutoff on the euro.
Cut off is the shape of the beam projected. i.e. When you shine it against a wall do you see a sharp line where the light stops? or is diffused and have hot spots where there shouldn't be light. Ideally the beam should look something like this against a wall \____ \____ (The left angles should not be that high, but you get the idea) Also, having the wire on the top side is going to seriously reduce the amount of output you headlights can project. If you are able to flip it 180 Degrees so the Wire is pointing downwards you will get significantly more light.
vid uploaded...have a look
From what I can see (as the light hasn't been projected directly onto a flat wall) the cut off looks fine with no noticable glare. The colour is a bit dark though, and I think you will some problems with seeing when it rains. I also see the shadow from the wire, is there no way at all you can flip it upside down, as you will get much light than you are at the moment if you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by corn_flakes
nope there isn't any way to flip it the other way...
just like how you can't flip your normal bulbs as well...
and why do u think the colour has something to do with difficulty seeing it in the rain? :S
Are the dark lines visible from inside the car?
yep...Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
a bit annoying when u notice it when u drive...
higher k bulbs produce more blue light(that's a lie, they actually just produce less of other colored light, but relative to everything else, you're just seeing blue light) than proper bulbs. This blue light produces much more glare when hitting the rain, severly limiting your visibility. Also, they simply produce less light, so you have less light going out and more glare coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by corn_flakes
to answer your other questions, yes, the ballasts normally make noise while warming up, it's nothing to be concerned about. Having them on for short periods, however, is. It takes a lot more power to warm up the bulbs than run them constantly. Having them turn on quickly, then turn off doesn't allow them to warm up all the way, putting extra stress on the bulbs and ballasts, and will cause them to wear out prematurely. With a cheap hid kit that doesn't have much for longevity as is, the last thing you want to do is shorten its life. Also, having the wire upside down like that is reported to not only reduce output, but to put increased stress on the bulbs(causing the salts to not behave as designed). If the manufacture of the kit can't even get that part right, you should seriously consider how much effort could have possibly gone into making a reliable set up.
I know a few people with a standard Euro with aftermarket HID kits on them.
I have a Luxury model with oem HID lights.
The difference? Honestly, not much at all. Beam pattern is surprisingly even.
Theoretically having proper HID projectors will be better than Halogen projectors for certain. But for H1 conversions, it just luckily seems to work out okay most the time. Most other lights wouldn't work though!
The thing is - as a Lux owner, sometimes I can't actually tell if the other car's HID is a retrofit or not, until I can see other parts of their car which gives it away - like their seats, sunroof, wheels, etc.
no needQuote:
Originally Posted by rhath127
just get other Hid Bulbs which is less then 7000K
i install my Euro with 6000k and is so much better then normal Bulbs
ask your supplier if they can swap to a Lower K light range
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
The lack of HID washers on the fornt bumper is an easy give away ;)
what about in the dark?Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
lol.
you can't extactly pin point that out in the dark plus also from a distance.
Easy, Lux HIDs are a little yellowish, I suspect 5000k... while base model owners usually go for pure white at 6000k or even more blue!Quote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
like nearly every other oem set up, 4300kQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
ok i just tried to flip my bulb the other way around, but it's not going to happen...
i think it's more the euro headlight than the HID kit that is preventing me from having the wire on the bulb on the bottom...
below is my ghetto drawing to explain why....
http://members.optusnet.com.au/random804/hidlight.bmp
as you can see the shape of the hole where you put your bulb into...the bulb width of the HID bulb JUST fits into that bottom part of the hole, so there's no way it will fit if you flip it....
other standard model euro owners with HIDs....do YOU have the wire on top as well??
Ahh.. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by saxman
Enlarge the hole...Quote:
Originally Posted by corn_flakes