New supercharger announced for TSX (280 bhp base, 370 bhp intercooled)

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04-11-2006, 10:02 PM
aaronng

New supercharger announced for TSX (280 bhp base, 370 bhp intercooled)

Hey all. New news from tsx.acurazine.com. http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/show...4&page=1&pp=25

A new supercharger kit is being developed by Red Shift Motorsports.

Some info from their page:

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Originally Posted by Red Shift Motorsports website

06 Civic Si, TSX, RSX - Base 280 bhp systems $3,900 and Intercooled 370 bhp systems $4,900

One of the Red Shift Motorsports employees is on the tsx.acurazine.com thread, so head on over to read all about it. The difference between this kit and the one from Comptech is that this one will be a centrifugal supercharger.

They are testing on the Civic Si first, which also has an electronic throttle. Once that is done succesfully, the TSX should be easy for them to crack.
04-11-2006, 10:42 PM
sodaz

Fully sik. But what about torque steer?
04-11-2006, 11:48 PM
yfin

I love the USA. They know what the exact price of the kit is going to be and even how much horsepower it will produce. All this without tuning and road testing the kit on the car yet. Now that is confidence!
05-11-2006, 10:54 AM
aaronng

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Originally Posted by sodaz

Fully sik. But what about torque steer?

If you want power in your FWD car, then torque steer will be the compromise. But I think that the Euro's suspension design is pretty resistant to torque steer. I speculate that there will be torque steer at above 5000rpm, as that is where the volumetric efficiency of above 100% will allow the k24a to produce its "true torque capability". NA k24a is limited breathing at above 5000rpm.

Of course, when you are driving at partial throttle openings, torque steer won't exist. Torque steer will only come when you use large or full throttle openings.
05-11-2006, 01:46 PM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

Hey all. New news from tsx.acurazine.com. http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/show...4&page=1&pp=25

A new supercharger kit is being developed by Red Shift Motorsports.

Some info from their page:

One of the Red Shift Motorsports employees is on the tsx.acurazine.com thread, so head on over to read all about it. The difference between this kit and the one from Comptech is that this one will be a centrifugal supercharger.

They are testing on the Civic Si first, which also has an electronic throttle. Once that is done succesfully, the TSX should be easy for them to crack.

Yeah,it sounds great.I've made a few enquiries re:cost of Comptech S/C and by the time u take ex. rate,shipping,fitting dynoing,tuning,etc. into account they're talking $10,000AUS.!!!!
05-11-2006, 02:09 PM
yfin

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Originally Posted by tony1234

Yeah,it sounds great.I've made a few enquiries re:cost of Comptech S/C and by the time u take ex. rate,shipping,fitting dynoing,tuning,etc. into account they're talking $10,000AUS.!!!!

Who did you speak to about the Comptech S/C - was that Hondatech? The yanks pay roughly $5400 AUD for the supercharger and the reflash (but not fitted). So even if you take into account shipping, taxes and additional labour for fitting and reflash to suit the AUDM model - $10,000 still seems pretty high to me as no additional parts are required.
05-11-2006, 02:49 PM
Type R Positive

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony1234

Yeah,it sounds great.I've made a few enquiries re:cost of Comptech S/C and by the time u take ex. rate,shipping,fitting dynoing,tuning,etc. into account they're talking $10,000AUS.!!!!

That sounds about right to me, I don't think it would be much less for a drive away package, maybe more.

May as well buy a turbo car.
05-11-2006, 03:13 PM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

Who did you speak to about the Comptech S/C - was that Hondatech? The yanks pay roughly $5400 AUD for the supercharger and the reflash (but not fitted). So even if you take into account shipping, taxes and additional labour for fitting and reflash to suit the AUDM model - $10,000 still seems pretty high to me as no additional parts are required.

Chris from IS motorsport in Rockdale Sydney.
05-11-2006, 05:26 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Type R Positive

That sounds about right to me, I don't think it would be much less for a drive away package, maybe more.

Errr. Why? The numbers don't add up.

Tony, I would speak to Hondatech as apparently they are looking at bringing in the Comptech SC specifically tuned for our model. If you find out more let us know.
05-11-2006, 08:27 PM
BusterSonic12

YAYAYA more option to our k24~!!
does this produce more than the SC super charger?
05-11-2006, 11:19 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterSonic12

YAYAYA more option to our k24~!!
does this produce more than the SC super charger?

Yup, Comptech SC is a roots blower, while this one is a centrifugal blower.
06-11-2006, 06:09 AM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

Errr. Why? The numbers don't add up.

Tony, I would speak to Hondatech as apparently they are looking at bringing in the Comptech SC specifically tuned for our model. If you find out more let us know.

I will.At $10,000AUD forget it,but if its around $6,000AUD different story.:D
06-11-2006, 06:26 AM
BusterSonic12

the basic super charge is around 200kw, and the other one 270kw. are these at the fly?
06-11-2006, 06:35 AM
Type R Positive

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

Errr. Why? The numbers don't add up.

Tony, I would speak to Hondatech as apparently they are looking at bringing in the Comptech SC specifically tuned for our model. If you find out more let us know.

$US4400 ($AU5865) for the kit alone. Package weight is 25kg so shipping won't be cheap.

Do you need just a reflash? How much is hondatech charging for one of those? $1k+?

Add dyno time, add fitting of the kit and there you have your $10k or close to it.
06-11-2006, 08:05 AM
EuroDude

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Originally Posted by sodaz

Fully sik. But what about torque steer?

The traction control will detect any handling problems and compensate, i.e. cut power to the engine around sharp corners etc..
06-11-2006, 11:13 AM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterSonic12

the basic super charge is around 200kw, and the other one 270kw. are these at the fly?

Yes, both numbers are at the fly.
06-11-2006, 11:14 AM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by EuroDude

The traction control will detect any handling problems and compensate, i.e. cut power to the engine around sharp corners etc..

Torque steer is not a traction problem. Your tyres still have full traction, but the torque at the wheels is being transferred back into the steering rack, thus pulling the wheel into a direction that you don't want it to go.
06-11-2006, 11:48 AM
Chris_F

even if it did cost about $10,000 (or slightly more) for the red shift supercharger it's still relatively good value for the power increase. A euro these days is what $33,500 or so + on roads, so for about the same price as an SS VE Commodore you could have the euro with the same power in a lighter package (allbeit FWD).

I'd take something like that over a mazda 6 mps aswell :P
06-11-2006, 12:17 PM
BusterSonic12

$10,000.... so want it on my euro....but so expensive... :( anyone wanna buy it for my bday?
06-11-2006, 12:26 PM
Type R Positive

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterSonic12

$10,000.... so want it on my euro....but so expensive... :( anyone wanna buy it for my bday?

I'll buy it for your b'day, but it's going on MY car!!! :cool:
06-11-2006, 03:57 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Type R Positive

$US4400 ($AU5865) for the kit alone. Package weight is 25kg so shipping won't be cheap.

Do you need just a reflash? How much is hondatech charging for one of those? $1k+?

Add dyno time, add fitting of the kit and there you have your $10k or close to it.

Anyone paying 10k for that kit is a sucker. :D You can buy the manual kit online for $3959US (take a look at Acura of Lynnwood). I have shipped 25kg in two boxes for $100US - (took 10 weeks). Not that expensive. Add taxes and labour and it doesn't come close to 10k. If someone is going to pay that sort of money you may as well buy a stand alone ECU like the Euro1 -and still have change left over.
06-11-2006, 04:03 PM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

Anyone paying 10k for that kit is a sucker. :D You can buy the manual kit online for $3959US (take a look at Acura of Lynnwood). I have shipped 25kg in two boxes for $100US - (took 10 weeks). Not that expensive. Add taxes and labour and it doesn't come close to 10k. If someone is going to pay that sort of money you may as well buy a stand alone ECU like the Euro1 -and still have change left over.

I think my guy is inc.CAI and exhaust as well.Have to check.Anyway too much$$$.i'll stick with JTUNE stage 4.
06-11-2006, 04:15 PM
martizzle

and by installing a supercharger your gonna need to spend more on top of that eg. brakes, slotted rotors etc. so from standard euro to supercharged your @ least looking @ $15k - 20k now i think that's abit hardcore.
06-11-2006, 04:17 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by martizzle

and by installing a supercharger your gonna need to spend more on top of that eg. brakes, slotted rotors etc. so from standard euro to supercharged your @ least looking @ $15k - 20k now i think that's abit hardcore.

It is not really a "need" though for a street car. You still travel at the same speeds - although some might choose to accelerate faster... :p

p.s. anyone notice in that Acura TSX thread Peekay said his car has now got 207.86 hp at the wheels (155kw ATW)! Not sure if that is still on the hub dyno but very nice indeed. Awesome. We need more info Peekay. Cheers.
06-11-2006, 04:35 PM
ALN

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

Anyone paying 10k for that kit is a sucker. :D You can buy the manual kit online for $3959US (take a look at Acura of Lynnwood). I have shipped 25kg in two boxes for $100US - (took 10 weeks). Not that expensive. Add taxes and labour and it doesn't come close to 10k. If someone is going to pay that sort of money you may as well buy a stand alone ECU like the Euro1 -and still have change left over.

I agree with you mate, it won't come any close to 10 k even you import it by your self but I know some sellers in australia sometimes charges you much2 over than the actual price so don't get fooled guys.:D
06-11-2006, 04:40 PM
Type R Positive

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

p.s. anyone notice in that Acura TSX thread Peekay said his car has now got 207.86 hp at the wheels (155kw ATW)! Not sure if that is still on the hub dyno but very nice indeed. Awesome. We need more info Peekay. Cheers.

Well, no need for a supercharger!!! :thumbsup:
06-11-2006, 04:49 PM
Type R Positive

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

Anyone paying 10k for that kit is a sucker. :D You can buy the manual kit online for $3959US (take a look at Acura of Lynnwood). I have shipped 25kg in two boxes for $100US - (took 10 weeks). Not that expensive. Add taxes and labour and it doesn't come close to 10k. If someone is going to pay that sort of money you may as well buy a stand alone ECU like the Euro1 -and still have change left over.

hmmmm, still looking at ~$6K for kit, I seriously don't think fitting and tuning is going to be free, but yes, it shouldn't be $4k.... maybe $2k?
How many hours labor for fitting and how much is dyno time cost? How much is the reflash in Australia? These all add up considerably.

It will be interesting to see who takes the plunge first though!!! :cool:
06-11-2006, 04:50 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Type R Positive

Well, no need for a supercharger!!! :thumbsup:

I would be happy with that. I think Peekay has different cams in there now. Unlikely I would go that path. But still, even if I can get around 140kw at the wheels (and more importantly more torque!) in a package weighing less than a MPS3 will be great. Will be one sweet drive and transform the car.
06-11-2006, 04:55 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Type R Positive

hmmmm, still looking at ~$6K for kit, I seriously don't think fitting and tuning is going to be free, but yes, it shouldn't be $4k.... maybe $2k?
How many hours labor for fitting and how much is dyno time cost? How much is the reflash in Australia? These all add up considerably.

It will be interesting to see who takes the plunge first though!!! :cool:

Apparently a 7 hour job but some keen owners in the US have fit it themselves as it comes with detailed instructions. Hard to say how much the reflash is going to be for this kit as it would need development time again by Hondatech. But that is a one off cost hopefully spread across a number of potential buyers - so I imagine it depends on how many people would show interest. If there is only one car obviously that is going to be more expensive.
06-11-2006, 04:59 PM
Type R Positive

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

I would be happy with that. I think Peekay has different cams in there now. Unlikely I would go that path. But still, even if I can get around 140kw at the wheels (and more importantly more torque!) in a package weighing less than a MPS3 will be great. Will be one sweet drive and transform the car.

Yeah, I think cams are a bit extreme for the euro, esp for the gains on a NA car compared to price.

Just I/H/E and reflash will do me fine, that's if I don't get the EVO 9 (waiting on quotes from dealers - quicker than waiting for Hondatech! :eek:).
06-11-2006, 05:03 PM
Type R Positive

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

Apparently a 7 hour job but some keen owners in the US have fit it themselves as it comes with detailed instructions. Hard to say how much the reflash is going to be for this kit as it would need development time again by Hondatech. But that is a one off cost hopefully spread across a number of potential buyers - so I imagine it depends on how many people would show interest. If there is only one car obviously that is going to be more expensive.

I think the big pitty is that Hondata seem to have everybody by the balls with engine management......

And for only 50hp gain ATW??? not really worth it I would have to say.
06-11-2006, 05:32 PM
BusterSonic12

hondata looks damn good... but takes so long.. >.< does super charger get BOV or is that only for turbo?

also, anyone turbo a euro before? i don't believe no one turbo their euro before since the euro (TSX) so popular.
06-11-2006, 05:58 PM
aaronng

Aftermarket engine management is too expensive for the TSX.
06-11-2006, 08:59 PM
Chris_F

I'm interested to know about the tuneable ecu for the euro that's mentioned on the honda-tech site. Apparently it'll be released one day... there's that and the EFI ecu now fully compatible/tuneable. Power-wise I'd be happy with either of those and an DC5R vtc mechanism (going from 25 to 50 degrees must be significant)
07-11-2006, 06:14 AM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris_F

I'm interested to know about the tuneable ecu for the euro that's mentioned on the honda-tech site. Apparently it'll be released one day... there's that and the EFI ecu now fully compatible/tuneable. Power-wise I'd be happy with either of those and an DC5R vtc mechanism (going from 25 to 50 degrees must be significant)

I was told u lose DBW and cruise with tuneable ecu,bit too extreme for me!
07-11-2006, 06:16 AM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

Aftermarket engine management is too expensive for the TSX.

Yeah.The 05 and 06 euros are apparently the problem ones.:(
07-11-2006, 07:15 AM
Chris_F

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony1234

I was told u lose DBW and cruise with tuneable ecu,bit too extreme for me!

it was previously confirmed with the EFI ecu that you retain all stock functions with the optional DBW module :thumbsup:
07-11-2006, 09:45 AM
aaronng

^^ The problem with that ECU is tuning. I don't think there are many with experience on tuning that ECU in Australia.
11-11-2006, 11:09 PM
aaronng

Update: Seems that they will be using a Hondata reflash to handle engine management. They have cracked the Civic Si's ECU and are able to increase fuel ratios for boost. Now they are trying to do the same with the TSX.
12-11-2006, 10:12 AM
Chris_F

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

^^ The problem with that ECU is tuning. I don't think there are many with experience on tuning that ECU in Australia.

very true, though I believe andy (pornstar) will be taking care of the tuning side of things for the people that go with the EFI.

I know hondata is starting to become more well known with the tuners so that's a definite advantage with that product.

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