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hey does neone know of a decent bolt on turbo setup for a b16a. only want to run about 6 psi on the stock engine. i am after a full kit. just want to buy it bolt it on then drive off with a boosted car. so how much would i be looking at. purchased and fitted?
one word.. custom
you don't want nor should you need a kit.. get something made specficly for your car....
Sadly you can’t talk cheap and reliable, those words don’t go hand in hand.
One day you will want more power… one day you more than likely will blow your engine, what will you do if this happens ? sell everything or build your engine for high boost ?
You need to answer these questions before designing a turbo kit for your engine.
Why ? because it happens to everyone, you need to either build a turbo kit designed for 7psi and never any more, or build a turbo kit which will work at 7psi but will work even better at 25psi. Cost is a issue for many clients but making any Honda go fast costs big money, don’t let anyone kid you its cheap, because its not.
The most impotent things to consider when turboing a Honda is boost control via the best wastegate money can buy, and engine management again the best money can buy. Everything else you buy directly effects performance but not so much reliability.
As for costing you need the following items as a start.. I don’t want to put prices next to them or recommended any parts because everyone has there own preference, I know what I use on all my client cars and all of them are perfect.
Turbo
Turbo exhaust Mainfold
Wastegate
Screamer pipe (to atomo or back to exhaust )
Down pipe (turbo to exhaust )
Replace stock exhaust system
Intercooler
Intercooler piping
Silicon hose + strong clamps
Injectors + clips
Fuel and ignition engine management
Oil feed / water lines for turbo
Oil drain to sump
Labour
Slim line fan’s ( I neva like to use the stock ones and hack em to bits )
The above setup could cost you as cheap as $3000 or less easy, or more than $30,000 easy, quality parts vs cheap parts vs 2nd hand vs new …… at the end of the day it comes down to one thing how much you want to spend. All I can say is spend money where its needed the most, but don’t buy anything because its cheap, look into the future and see if that part will be good in the future …
Regards James
....is it true that you loose your aircon when you turbo a Civic with B16a?
Yes and no, you can get a kit (or go custom) and still keep you aircon if you want, depends on the design of the manifold.Quote:
Originally Posted by lane-o
And thanks for your reply James, I am also looking at my turbo options. Do you have a shop near Brisbane? I think it was at Underwood if I'm thinking of the same one? And do they do custom turbo setups up here aswell?
Cheers, Matt.
I'll help ya in Brissy :)
where bouts u located??? have a chat with incoming his girlfriend has a boosted dc2r on stock internals running max 8-9 psi. www.screaminperformance.com
PM coming your way :DQuote:
Originally Posted by saboteur
yeah im in brissy too
Trust turbo kit - $4500 + Trust Intercooler & piping kit... $1750 (Both brand new)
Email or call workshop if you're interested... (Can ship to Brissy, no problem)
Use with Hondata for reliable 6~7psi set up.
When combined with 2.6mm headgasket, can swallow 16psi. for 175kw+ at wheels.
(Stock internals - fuel system upgrade required & Trust cat-back PEII exhaust)
Turbo can be up-sized at time of order.
This threads back from the dead. I say just build your own turbo kit. Piece everything together yourself and that way you will know what you have when its installed and know that what you bought will work. Most kits these days skimp on engine management and the fuel system. In other words, you have to run piggy back [acronym:472cdd2e91="Engine Control Unit"]ECU[/acronym:472cdd2e91]'s and a fuel setup that isn't sufficient.
You can run 6-8psi daily on stock internals if you drive the car hard. Hell, you can even run upto 10psi on stock internals but you can't really abuse (drive too hard) on that much boost.
If you are still piecing the kit or need more advice just reply here. Shame you aren't in Melbourne as there are heaps of places you can source goodies from and put together your own reliable kit. AVO make a good kit but i'd put together my own fuel setup and probably buy a Microtech to run everything.
yeah cheers i have been lookin into that but like alot of others i have run into a cash shortage. we'll see how the tax return comes back
Most turbo kits that i've seen in american magazines have the turbo positioned where the air conditioning condenser normally mounts. Mind you, these civics are making 400kw at the wheels.Quote:
Originally Posted by lane-o";p="89607
Some kits that i've seen that use a smaller turbo don't have this problem (only seen d16 kits like this :? ??, but would be limited in how much boost they run.
Really depends on the application (road/drag/race) and how much power you want to make. Budget plays a big part in the project, too :P
An HKS 2.6mm headgasket solves this... (New CR is 8.45:1)Quote:
Originally Posted by vti-2";p="113430
For those who like to nut things out themselves, the HKS part number is 2301-RH012.
Though they're not cheap, the gasket route is a hell of a lot cheaper than forking out for pistons & rods if you're only after 180kw @ the wheels @ 16psi boost.
Only must for high boost applications is addressing thermal management...
Oil cooler is a must for engine longlivety & 2 SPOON parts...
That is a low temp themostat & a low temp themo fan switch...
Regarding piecing together your own kit...
This does have it's merits but be mindful of sicking to your end goal & not continually moving the goal posts on yourself...
That is, make up your mind & stick to it....
Cheers
Adrian
thinkin of boostin now richo. when we get em done we'll hafta have round 2 :)
lol. sounds good. :lol: . mines gonna be about another 6 months though id say :roll: . what bout yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Focus
about the same. just found out my bushes are FUBAR!!! not good for braking at speed. but the boost project is still there!!!
u can always go the AVO bolt on kits, mate just did it, and got 135kw's at the wheels on 9psi on a B16a2
go with BLKCRX's advice... but not every1 has $45+k to spend on their cars :lol:
but expect 10k for a low boost setup including hondata and new exhaust, new seals etc etc
MR-VTEC, and Mr. Focus please keep your replies related.
Although I see where James is coming from there isn't always a need to go custom. If you are technically minded and can do your own maintenance on your car, there is no reason why you can't go for a turbo kit (such as greddy or Trust) which should see you without any problems on 6-7psi. If you want to go for more boost and upgrade internals then I would suggest custom but for a street car with mild boost, there is no reason a kit won't suit your application.
All i'm trying to say is that if you want to turbo a honda, custom isn't the only solution.
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Originally Posted by wynode
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10k for a low boost setup only makine 135 kws? awesome! *insert sarcasm*
yeah for 10k i would be expecting alot more than 135kw at the wheels.
same as above.. poor stuff..
check this site www.hipowerracing.com/honda.html these engines are UNBELIEVABLE!!! :eek: The JUN / CAM stroked B16B making aprox. 278hp at wheels!!!! and still N/A!! :thumbsup: forget the turbo and get something like this...they can build you a custom engine if you want to. keep the tru honda spirit alive and go n/a. :p
i know your prob goint to say "oh keep this on topic" or whatever....and yeh this is a forced induction forum....but why would u go forced with n/a motors like these??!! u'd be spendind similar sort of money anyway. these engines are TRUE engineering EXCELLENCE!!
cos u can bring that 278hp monster pay 3 times as much as i do, and ill get where i wanna get to faster than u can make 10krpms before u get moving
$/kW those motors are still nowhere near the turbo option.
how does staying NA make something truely excellant :PQuote:
Originally Posted by cdpfxz
um thats not what im saying...the fact that its a 1.8 n/a putting out that much power IS truely excellent!! and the cost of the engine really isnt that much...i might be wrong but i think even if you went for a turbo aiming for around 280hp at the wheels youd be looking at paying basically the same price...so why turbo?
forgot to say, pornostar, id like to see you achieve over 200kw at the wheels for just over 4k...
4k american. easy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cdpfxz
if you didnt know, the price of those engines are in $AUD ;) ...and this place is where DMD is...it doesnt seem like i can convince anyone but its just another option...i know what id choose... im only new to OH but ive never heard so many honda fans talk so much about turbos before :confused: ...anyway...everyone will have there own opinion... :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by cdpfxz
what are you talking about? 4k.... :confused: . the price of that engine is $13500. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
pornostar was sayin somthin bout the engine costing 3 times more than his and he will beat it...i seriously doubt that tho...im not into turbos that much but you would be paying similar money trying to get about 205kw atw wouldnt u??? the estimated 1/4 time was 11-12 secs EASY...this is not just a guess either - these engines have gone in many diff cars before and thats what these cars have run - depending on weight etc.
With a heavy car like our sol's the times wouldn't be that fantastic...
listen here mr shittalker, instead of tlaking all this and all that, bring ur truely wimpass engine down here we race and then u go home crying ok?
sick of internet mechanics like u that know so much, done this and done that with their cousin akmhed and this and that and this and that, and can run a stock this adn that down the qtr doing this and that 11s easy.
bring ur 11 second car down with that Truely excellent engine and we race, if u lose STFU, if u win, i STFU, if u dont run a 11 then well, ur statement sucks ballsacks like ur mum
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Originally Posted by PhatSol
what do ya mean heavy? pretty lite imo. compared to most cars that is. :) .
ok ok. i built my setup for under 4k.
I estimate its power at 200hp, with a quater mile of 12-11's.
*this info is based off actually data ive seen.
i dont think your would run 11 or 12....possibly a HIGH 13...if your lucky
GOOd for under 4k tho!! :)
IMO 1175kg for a little two seater is heavy. The Mazda MX5 is under 1000kg. But it's all worth it for the targa top ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MR-VTEC
14's are done with shitty tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdpfxz
13's are done all day long \w semis.
12's have been done on my setup \w slicks.
11's have been done in a gutted and stripped ED with a hard tune.
See how much bullshit ur reading into? approx and guessing means nothings. EASY means even less.
Am I safe to assume that the greddy turbo kits are the same as the trust ones?
lol sooo agressive pornstar..
cdpfxz, no offense dude. u just came into the from forum to uptalk NA, lol.. goto to the allmtr forum if u want some sympathisers.. none around here though unfortunatly.. :)
re turbo-d's: its the part i love about having one, everyone underestimates u!
ffs. stfu already tools
chiull chill guys...
"estimated power: 278hp at the wheels without-turboQuote:
Originally Posted by cdpfxz
1/4 mile estimation: 11-12 secs easy...."
they still using the stock cast manifold on that JUN engine too?
musta underestimated it, LOL!
wonder if these guys have heard of the Trade Practices Act?
/end off topic rant
tinker stop talking shit, u know and i know and every one knows, red covers and gold painted covers make an easy 200whp, EASY!
any more defamatory or threatening post will result in a BAN
keep it clean guys, this is the final warning.
no - that is 200kW pornstar - get it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by pornstar
my bad ur right, what was i thinking...forgot he had a few stickers on that valve cover too :)
You guys need to grow up.