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I'm looking at buying a DC5 and eventually turbcharging it. I've looked at AVO bolt on kits but at about $5600 plus fitting and tuning it doesnt leave much for the rest of my plans ;) anyone recommend who i should go through in queensland to see bout a custom setup? would it work out cheaper that way? also would a stage 2 AVO setup be enough for low 13's - high 12's? (with slicks obviously) anyone run into 'many' headaches with turboing an integra?
check out US websites. plenty of kits around, plenty of turbo acura's around. see whats what, look at ordering something from oversea's. i rekon it will work out cheaper, depending. look at getting the new hondata for fuel managment, as its really kickass with k-series.
Cybernation has turbo kits for the RSX (DC5)
also check out www.clubrsx.com
there's a kit for the DC5 from Cybernation that produces something like 350hp..
check itout
you're thinking of getting the type r or base?
Yeh i want to get a Type R. Very keen and it will happen no matter what :) I get very excited thinking about it. Bit worried too that the prices wont budge much in the next few years due to Type R's being scrapped.
if you want to come check out some Rs in Brisbane, we'll organise a cruise..
think it's abou time we should.
i actually live in north queensland. the only DC5's up here are straight off the show room floor. would love to see some, hope to have the car and everything i want done to it in about one year. Going pink too so you wont be able to miss me :)
OMG!!! piink!! w00t!! You have to post pics once your done *dribbles*Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkprincess
i found an acura in america that is pink and it looks totally mad
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/346287/2
i want a slightly darker pink with no sparkles. its gonna look so good (i hope)
Ahhh...that's the piink I want (in the photos) but no sparkles either hehehe.
Sounds like u have some phat plans for the dc5 when u get it... good work
mo post another animation so i can steal it this white sheep is annoying :P
oh my gosh - reminds me of the pink s2000 in 2f2f. lol.
pink - you got custom plates yet?....
btw, apc i think would be able to do some work, they might be a tad expensive.... bob romano/chapmans also do a good job, but they charge top $$ as well, could import the kit and try motocafe 101 - i heard theyre getting a new dyno :D
ive got pics of a 2dr version with jdm headlights as well :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pinkprincess
Just outta interest how old are you? And how are you going to afford all of this???Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkprincess
1. You are looking at around 35k for a 2nd hand DC5R or 45k for a new one
2. To get a DC5R to run low 13's/high 12's with a turbo setup you will need to rebuild the engine with new internals etc (well if you want it to last more than 5000kms) Which is going to cost around 10k. Would also need a near gear box most likely plus clutch etc another few thousand gone
3. With a car like this you are definitely going to need to upgrade the brakes and that is around 4k
4. You will never insure the car, no one will want to touch it, if you are lucky you might get someone to insure you at a cost of 6k+ a year
So without any mishaps or anything other than mentioned above you would be looking at 55-65k, which is a hell of a lot of money. If you do complete the project it would be awesome, but be aware of all the costs involved its not as easy as buy a bolt on kit and away you go...... :roll:
Not having a go at you or anything but just trying to inform you a bit more as to everything involved ;)
Yes I am aware of the costs. My partner has a turbo car and he has been helping me out a lot. I hope to purchase it in the next year. The cost probably wont budge much since they are not making them anymore but everyone has dreams, I am just very determined to make mine happen.I am expecting to spend a fair amount on it, I am an Accountant so its not like I am a struggling student anymore. I expect that Just Cars will be able to insure me as they have a good history with modified cars.
just a general thing...
a Honda will cost you heaps to make it go fast..
You rekon Hondas cost a lot to go fast?!
I got a quote to turbo my E46 BMW...nothing fancy just a good quality everyday set-up and I was staring down at $35,000! OK so that included rebuilt engine and all, but it kinda puts the Jap scene into perspective.....
Even a stage 2 bolt-on supercharger kit blowing 12psi was going to cost $16,000 and that didn't include any engine work!
Your best bet is to get a kit from the US - they have so many to chose from that you are bound to find someting to meet your requirements, or if you really want turbo, get a S15 or something and paint that pink!
You mentioned the AVO kits being too expensive at $5600 plus fitting. What are you expecting to pay? For a basic custom turbo set-up from a shop you are probably looking at around the $8,000 mark anyways - and that's a pretty realistic price to do the job properly.
At the end of the day you can't have a cheap and reliable turbo set-up if you are getting a shop to do the work for you.
Maybe you need to work out your priorities a bit better. Do you want it all show, or all go? My first impression is that you would prefer a pink N/A teg to a turbo white teg based on the fact that you think $5,600 for a turbo won't leave enough money for the rest of your plans.
Just have a think about what you really want to do, write out a plan listing your priorities and work through them one at a time so you don't get caught up trying to do a million things at once and lose sight of what you really want to achieve.
I never said it was too much, just shopping around to see whether people thought it was a good price. Im looking to spend $15,000 to $20,000 for mods etc. not including the price of the car obviously. I found a Trust turbo the other day for $5,000 of course thats not with fitting and tuning.
I dont need a car that totally blows everything away, i just dont want a car thats all show and no go because I think thats a waste. I do know what I want to do with it because I've been thinking about it for a while now. I posted to get this constructive critisism so I dont get bit on the butt somewhere along the line.
But you said this in your first post? That is what I was getting at that's all....what do you want first...turbo or cosmetics?Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkprincess
When comparing kits, just have a look at what parts you are getting in the kit as the cheapest kit won't automatically be the best kit - and vice-versa
For eg. the AVO kit might come with an intercooler, Link management and some other crap, whereas the Trust kit may not come with these little bits - I don't know for sure, it's just an example.
Seriosusly check out club RSX in the states as someone else suggested as there is a whole area for forced induction and the Cybernation kits look very impressive.
Also just understand that there are always going to be little problems with any aftermarket turbo set-up no matter which products or how much $$$ you spend. It's not like picking up something virtually 100% reliable off the showroom floor. Chances are, there are going to be little problems constantly popping up.
If you go DC5R why not chuck some slicks on and take it to the track first and see how it goes...you should get some decent times. Then there are things like the Hondata with JDM Type R cams etc which should see some decent gains at reasonable prices without the hassles of forced induction.
Good to see you doing the reasearch before handing over the cash!
From memory, the AVO kit includes the snail, plus extra injector, FMIC, FCD etc...I got a quote from XSpeed in Perth to do my DC2 R, but I decided to keep Honda's street cred intact, but STAYING N/A - which is what Honda's are all about in reality - power from NOT boosting..plus too must power means you'll have serious traction issues at the front treads..
Here is the site where I found a few turbos
http://www.capa.com.au/turbo_kits_petrol.htm
I could be wrong but the Trust kit looks pretty complete to me. If not do tell me so I can reconsider. And would it be worth paying the extra for the HKS turbo without the extras? Cause im assuming that for the price it will still only be a garret turbo. Please correct me if im wrong I dont have a lot of experience, I leave that up to my partner but some outside advise never hurt anyone.
For that price i dont think it includes the intercooler kit, better check that out. You will also need a bigger exhaust, not sure how good the dump pipe is either. The fuel management, if its the Blue Box, is total garbage, so you'll need an ECU and injectors at the very least. Also if you need a boost controller and guages factor them in. As well as a clutch, and perhaps some brake pads.
So yeh, the kits can get very expensive very quickly as well once you start adding bits on to them
There doesn't appear to be anything there for the DC5. The engine code you are looking for is the K20A, not the B18C.
That is why it has been suggested that you check out club RSX - the RSX is the DC5 and runs the K20 engine. The turbo kits offered by Cybernation are made for the K20 engine.
Thigs are bound to be a lot different between the B-series and K-series...just look in the engine bay of a DC5 and compare it to the DC2...
Geez i wish i was on your wages just out of uni :shock: , i am on 50k+ a year and it is hard enough to afford my DC5R just in terms of loan repayments, running costs and general matainence (tyres, rego, insurance, servicing, etc) and here you are talking about buy a DC5R and then going and spending 20k on mods straight up :?Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkprincess
BTW DC5R's are quick straight from the factory, I would suggest staying N/A and just getting exhaust, intake, aftermarket computer and cams to start with.
Also if your 20k includes your paint job and wheels and suspension you would be down to 10k already without touching the engine.
Jus-10: i guess i was referring to modding Japanese cars in comparison to tunning a Honda..
of course i know Euros cost heaps more to modify..;)
Hey I still think modding Jap cars can be expensive too don't get me wrong.
To do anything properly is gonna cost big $$$
I personally think that $15-20k isn't enough to do turbo, paint, wheels, etc unless you are doing a half-arsed job
Thanks guys but I didn't put the post up to get picked on. There is no need to question my salary, just know that its affordable for me. I have considered guages, exhaust, wheels, bigger intercooler etc etc. There are other factors that lower the costs for me like my father is a mechanic and i'm getting a nice set of wheels from my partner for cheap (enough to pay his debt on them). My personal money was not what I asked you all about, rather the quality of a couple of turbos and what yous have had experience with and what yous recommend. Can we please keep it to that.
Relax, no one's picking on you or your "money" geez....to be honest I doubt if anyone really even cares about your financial situation.
What people are saying is that it costs money (hence why money came up) to do all the things that you want to do. You said you have a budget of $15-20k and I think you will be pushing it for what you want to do.
A decent and reliable turbo set-up will probably cost somewhere around the $10,000 at least. A full respray (door jams, engine bay, etc) will probably cost anywhere from about $5-6k. A friend of mine got a custom set-up on his corolla 20V. His bill came to just under $15,000 and that didn't include an engine rebuild (pistons,etc).
You then have to take things like all unexpected incidentals in to account and from experience, when building cars, you very rarely stick to your initial budget.
No one is picking on anyone here. You asked for help, and people are giving you advice based on their experiences. The kits you are looking at aren't applicable to your car so you will need to look elsewhere (as mentioned before).
If you still don't like the advice being given, go and check out the leads you have already been given (eg. Cybernation)
Turbo wise, you will find that most are either Turbonetics, Garrett or IHI....don't expect BB turbos to last forever as they wear out relatively quickly (my mates wore out after less than 20,000km), but at least you can get rebuild kits.
BB turbos should last longer than a standard bearing one if properly maintained...
Anyway for your specific situation i think that a custom setup is the only real way to go. You can get out of it for 10k and have a proper, reliable setup for the stock engine which will be a lot of fun to drive. The Garrett GT series of turbos are a good way to go. A GT28RS should be a good match for the engine.
Dont feel that the guys are picking on you, most of them are just trying to make sure you know what you are getting into (ie a huge money pit that we are all stuck in!!) :)
To be the voice of reason Pink Princess and maybe to save you a lot of trouble. It may be easier to buy a car with a turbo straight out of the factory and mod that.
It seems to be too much hassle to mod a specifically N/A designed vehicle to a turbo application. Basically you are going against its true design principle, resulting in rebuilding a lot of stuff e.g. engine internals etc.
I think it would be financially viable for you to just purchase a stock turbo car off the showroom, or used. That way insurance would not be so crazy, cause the companies would kill you with their premiums. Also you can spend most of your budget on some performance applications to really go hard and cosmetic stuff. Generally to get turbo cars more efficient, just change the cat-back exhaust and a freer intake, also possible flash the ecu or something to get more boost and bang you can easily out perform a stock model.
To turbo any sort of N/A car is expensive to begin with, save yourself the hassle and buy one from the factory, that way you can really spend some serious cash on a freaky 'pink paint job :)
If I were turbocharging a DC5 I would definetly go with the Top Fuel kit from www.perfectrun.com.au
Top Fuel are the best Honda tuners in Japan and their cars speak for themselves. Have a look at www.topfuel.info
Good luck mate
Careful...Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkprincess
The connecting rods in the K20A are shitte...
In that I mean they're not the most robust things you could hope for.
Consider new rods & pistons to ensure reliability along with good engine management, fuel system etc...
To be honest $5600 doesn't sound like a particularly comprehensive kit.
Not saying don't do it, but be careful you don't build a grenade.
Talk to people with actual experience rather than boffins...
Remember, at the end of the day it's your wallet that get's lighter...
Not theirs...