Greddy E-manage VS Haltech Interceptor

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12-12-2006, 07:04 PM
anjingbalap

Greddy E-manage VS Haltech Interceptor

HI.. guys.. i've a question.. atm my honda jazz is using HKS F-con as we know not many people able to tune F-CON.. and my turbocharge jazz has very2 lean A/F ratio..

so my mechanics suggested me to change the piggyback ECU (i have to use Piggyback.. coz the stand alone ecu.. does sumting wierd to honda jazz) that can be adjust, my mechanics give me.. 2 brand of ecu.. and i'm not sure which one is the best and got more function and best..

1st choice is Greddy e-manage

2nd Haltech Interceptor

pls let help me.. i'm clueless
12-12-2006, 07:23 PM
ky0-EK

hondata FTW!

ps: im not quite sure what im talking about lol
14-12-2006, 12:17 AM
Weq

both will do the job around the same.. with the latest firmware the emanage is a very capable ECU which almost anyone can tun. Haltech is likewise. Haltech will have more support though, being an australian product. I would go with whatever setup u can get cheapest, and whatever setup your tuner is most comfortable working with. Tuner is the key.

FCON is a grewta ecu though.
14-12-2006, 12:20 AM
Weq

PS. i ran the emanage on my original setup. injectors i used were double the size. AF was consistant. throttle response was a little changed from stock. But hondata gave me a very similiar feel to the emanage. i had success...
15-12-2006, 10:39 AM
saxman

Are we discussing the emanage, or the emanage ultimate... there's a pretty big difference
15-12-2006, 10:41 AM
anjingbalap

what is the different?
15-12-2006, 10:44 AM
hinezz

tried both...they didnt work for my 06 jazz..got Autronic SM4..stand-alone system..runs so much beta now..luv it..dnt like piggybanks..they dont do it for me.
15-12-2006, 11:53 AM
turbo convert

i heard nothing but bad things about the greddy emanage!
overseas they get good results, but i heard no tuners in australia have any luck with tuning them very well
15-12-2006, 11:58 AM
shecomb

Quote:

Originally Posted by hinezz

tried both...they didnt work for my 06 jazz..got Autronic SM4..stand-alone system..runs so much beta now..luv it..dnt like piggybanks..they dont do it for me.

Awesome ECU! well worth the investment for complete management and other little benefits like launch control etc
15-12-2006, 02:17 PM
saxman

Quote:

Originally Posted by anjingbalap

what is the different?

emanage ultimate, while still a piggy back, offers a lot more to make it a bit more acceptable for use. The regular emanage is basically a glorified vafc and is really a POS.
15-12-2006, 07:42 PM
anjingbalap

Quote:

Originally Posted by hinezz

tried both...they didnt work for my 06 jazz..got Autronic SM4..stand-alone system..runs so much beta now..luv it..dnt like piggybanks..they dont do it for me.

what do u mean by didnt work?... i use want to stand alone.. but its not compatible.. coz of the immobiliser and stuff..
15-12-2006, 07:49 PM
hinezz

my honda jazz is a 06 model..the factory ecu on the 06 model is different to the previous models, and e-manage and haltech havent developed one yet..
autronic stand alone ecu can work much much beta then piggybank ecu on ur jazz...try get a professional to install the computer properly..otherwise u will have issues with the ECU cutting off at high revs...etc etc

if u need infor on how its installed, talk to Mick at TUNED Automotive BNE http://www.tunedautomotive.com.au
15-12-2006, 11:17 PM
anjingbalap

well.. on my car.. only need piggyback.. for sum reason
19-12-2006, 09:05 AM
Weq

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxman

emanage ultimate, while still a piggy back, offers a lot more to make it a bit more acceptable for use. The regular emanage is basically a glorified vafc and is really a POS.

U can be a dumbass sometimes. A gloried AFC??? Ultimate controls the fueling exactly the way you you idiot. Stick to your Uberdata buddy.
19-12-2006, 09:14 AM
saxman

ultimate offers a lot more control, much better resolution, etc... the regular emanage, as seen in the greddy turbo kits and such is a completely different beast, sharing not much more than a name. It simply doesn't have the capabilities to be an effective tuning means, much like the vafc.

There's a reason you never seen anyone seriously trying to tune a turbo honda with a vafc or regular emanage, they lack the ability to do it well.
19-12-2006, 10:28 AM
Weq

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxman

ultimate offers a lot more control, much better resolution, etc... the regular emanage, as seen in the greddy turbo kits and such is a completely different beast, sharing not much more than a name. It simply doesn't have the capabilities to be an effective tuning means, much like the vafc.

There's a reason you never seen anyone seriously trying to tune a turbo honda with a vafc or regular emanage, they lack the ability to do it well.

U cannot be serious.

The emanage blue offiers 15x15 tunable injection/ignition/airflow maps. injection and ignition can be based off MAP pressure, TPS, acceleration and the airflow MAPS are TPS only. Both offer dataloging, digital dash and more.

The ulitmate offers nothing over this. Upgrade your emanage blue to the latest firmware and it is EXACTLY the same when running on our honda. It doesnt offer some features, but the basic tuning capabilities are exactly the same!
19-12-2006, 03:28 PM
saxman

Odd, all the feature lists I've ever seen for the emanage blue talk about bs stuff, like only 5 fuel adjustment points, only being able to control injectors up to 150% larger than stock, etc

http://www.importscene.com.au/prod663.htm like so
20-12-2006, 09:13 AM
Weq

Well its alright. The more the american's hate these things, the more i can pickup on ebay for the price of a tank of fuel :P

Google: "Yahoo e-manage group" . Download the software and look at it urself. Instead of going off what u read. Ive used these on many cars. Great bang for buck. there is also a program called 'e-supporters' which enables auto-tuning through wideband, mapping of afr, dyno simulation and more.

I cant be bothered screens hotting, but here is a pic off there website. And yes, it does full real-time map trace and all alter-ations are realtime to the ECU. All come as standard. No emulators required :P
http://www.trust-power.com/e-man/ima...upportTool.jpg
20-12-2006, 09:26 AM
ProECU

just a japanese translator and you're set to tune! :D
20-12-2006, 03:14 PM
saxman

can you confirm that they can run larger injectors than 150% over stock? Greddy themselves were claiming this the limit for a while, but apparently with new firmware available, things are a bit different. Don't know if it was a software or hardware limitation.
20-12-2006, 03:54 PM
Weq

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProECU

just a japanese translator and you're set to tune! :D

Your car isnt JDM unless u tune with JDM software.

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxman

can you confirm that they can run larger injectors than 150% over stock? Greddy themselves were claiming this the limit for a while, but apparently with new firmware available, things are a bit different. Don't know if it was a software or hardware limitation.

150% over stock sounds round-about right.

stock, 240cc
i ran, 440cc

Ive heard up people going upto 550cc before idling issues.
20-12-2006, 04:33 PM
turbo convert

dont waste time with these type of ecu's do it once do it properly u will end up in the long run spending the same amount of $$$
20-12-2006, 04:59 PM
LVNIT

Care to explain what is exactly wrong with using an e-manage?

Weq has used it previously with fantastic results. I know of plenty of users of the e-manage and have nothing to fault, it has served its purpose perfect.
20-12-2006, 05:03 PM
turbo convert

well i have heard of plenty of other ppl and know some who find it difficult to find a tunner who is actually competant at tunning the g-reddy emanage!
so technically u r correct there is prob nothing wrong with the unit however get the tunners recommendation 1st because it all falls on him.
at the end of the day you get what you pay for like anything to do with cars.
20-12-2006, 08:13 PM
ProECU

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weq

Your car isnt JDM unless u tune with JDM software.

very true, valid argument, lol
20-12-2006, 10:19 PM
aimre

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo convert

well i have heard of plenty of other ppl and know some who find it difficult to find a tunner who is actually competant at tunning the g-reddy emanage!
so technically u r correct there is prob nothing wrong with the unit however get the tunners recommendation 1st because it all falls on him.
at the end of the day you get what you pay for like anything to do with cars.

Ok, well we'll all go to weqs tuner cos as he said, hes never had a problem with it
21-12-2006, 04:59 AM
saxman

Quote:

Originally Posted by LVNIT

Care to explain what is exactly wrong with using an e-manage?

Weq has used it previously with fantastic results. I know of plenty of users of the e-manage and have nothing to fault, it has served its purpose perfect.

well, being limited to 150% larger injectors when running a turbo set up kills a lot of potential for growth...
21-12-2006, 09:30 AM
Weq

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxman

well, being limited to 150% larger injectors when running a turbo set up kills a lot of potential for growth...

We arnt talking massive HP. The OP never wanted massive HP. Its like killing osama bin laden with the whole US armed forces, when a little arab kid dressed in a short skirt and knuckle dusters would of done the job.

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo convert

well i have heard of plenty of other ppl and know some who find it difficult to find a tunner who is actually competant at tunning the g-reddy emanage!
so technically u r correct there is prob nothing wrong with the unit however get the tunners recommendation 1st because it all falls on him.
at the end of the day you get what you pay for like anything to do with cars.

Using an ECU the tuner is comfortable with is always a great option. If not the best option. That said, any tuner worthy of the tag can tune an emanage. The guy who i got to tune mine had NEVER, read NEVER EVER, seen an emanage (i got it when they first came out) let alone tuned one. After trying to talk me into a standalone without sucess, he was VERY impressed at how easy, repsonsive and flexible this unit was. The added bonus is that is passed an EPA test with better then stock performance. Try and get this out of your standalone ECU without 12+hrs on the dyno.

The emanage can be a tad fiddly at time. It has quirks, but picking it up for the same price as an AFC, well u cant beat the value.
21-12-2006, 09:50 AM
LVNIT

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxman

well, being limited to 150% larger injectors when running a turbo set up kills a lot of potential for growth...

You missed what I wrote mate

Quote:

I know of plenty of users of the e-manage and have nothing to fault, it has served its purpose perfect

No doubt if you wanted to run larger turbo setup and be able to change the setup to something capable of more power, then it would be the wrong choice.
21-12-2006, 10:42 AM
saxman

I just don't think that an engine management solution that's that limited in what it has to offer can really be considered serving it's purpose though. Yah, it'll work for a low boost set up, but when there's plenty of alternatives available that will work just as well, with much more potential for growth, it doesn't seem like a good alternative to me.

I suppose this also asks the question, why can they not handle injectors larger than 150% successfully? It's certainly not due to an issue with programming or anything else, etc. Likely, it's due to the feedback that occurs when using a piggyback... the ecu makes changes, and due to a much larger injector, the changes are amplified... an inherent issue with using piggybacks. (Worth mentioning that I don't know this is the case... this is a common issue with other piggybacks, and while I presume applies here, I can't say for certain).